On June 12 2011 09:06 GoTuNk! wrote: Whenever anyone asks for diet/excercise advice they receive tons of contradictory advise. Ignore everyone here, and send a PM to eshlow on some basic guidelines. Follow w/e he says.
Very irresponsible of you to go into a thread, see contradictory advice, then assume all of the advice in the thread is plain wrong. Why don't you educate yourself, then read the posts in the thread, and THEN determine which information is false/accurate. Oh yeah, you're way seems easier.
This is how people should learn, but its easy to make bold statements, and even get yourself out of this way of thinking. Its how you experience things, then you make your own decisions on what seems reasonable to you. What I mean is, someone can give you information, and it can be true (or not), everyone can agree its true (and it could be not), so its best to be curious and try and ignore your own personal bias. Then once you have explored the topic thoroughly you can make your own informed decisions based on that. No book is going to give you information that someone can't give to you personally. People who want to lose weight should actively seek others doing the same and see what works for them. But its also really easy to not seen your own Bias, and its really easy to be shy or lazy and then you end up not even being curious or interested in what you really want. Sometimes people let their feelings get in the way of learning. Myself included.
Anyone interested in the topic of Health and Weightloss should move on to
My #1 point of advice would be to not take advice on fitness from a video gaming site. Some people on here have shown that they do know some of what they are talking about; however there is still so much random shit to filter through that you are much better off going to get better, more clear/concise/better worded advice, straight from the professional diet coaches themselves. Many of them can be found for free short of getting a diet tailor made for you with live consulting and check-ins.
Look around the major bodybuilding sites(even if BB isn't your goal, they're the best on the planet at body recomp and dieting) and inform yourself.
On June 12 2011 09:28 red_ wrote: Look around the major bodybuilding sites(even if BB isn't your goal, they're the best on the planet at body recomp and dieting) and inform yourself.
Exactly! But there are some really valid posters here that give pretty much similar advice as on BB forums (TheGreatWhiteHope_ is one of them).
I could go find multiple studies that says the exact opposite about "defense mode". I just don't care enough to go find them right now and have spent too much of my time in this thread already today. I sat in class and had the entire process explained to me, I still have the notes somewhere on my computer. You seem very adamant in your ideas so I assume you would disregard them anyways.
"Defense mode" is not an instantaneous process, it is a slow but steadily building progress. You act as if I am saying "If you don't eat every three hours a pound of muscle is going to jump out of your bicep onto the ground." Whatever, feel free to critique my posts but please correctly interpret my argument(or maybe I need to articulate it better, whatever).
I assume(going outside my areas of expertise here) cavemen would go out and kill something three times their size once a week and live off of it for a while. I don't buy the "becoming mentally sharper" when you are hungry bit for a second. Norepinephrine is not the direct source of energy, norepinephrine signals the body to release glucose into the blood stream which creates a sense of "alertness". If your body is starved of ATP/glycogen stores, then the increased levels of norepinephrine would be similar to a general ordering his troops to fire their guns with no ammunition.
I'm not going to argue with you on the multiple meals a day, if you want to eat a 1500 calorie lunch and a 1500 calorie dinner then go ahead. I'm just saying it is not healthy.
On June 12 2011 09:35 TheGreatWhiteHope_ wrote: I could go find multiple studies that says the exact opposite about "defense mode". I just don't care enough to go find them right now and have spent too much of my time in this thread already today. I sat in class and had the entire process explained to me, I still have the notes somewhere on my computer. You seem very adamant in your ideas so I assume you would disregard them anyways.
It's not an instantaneous process, it is a slow but steadily building progress. You act as if I am saying "If you don't eat every three hours a pound of muscle is going to jump out of your bicep onto the ground." Whatever, feel free to critique my posts but please correctly interpret my argument(or maybe I need to articulate it better, whatever).
Uhm, no. Cavemen would go out and kill something three times their size(wooly mammoth for example) once a week and live off of it for weeks. I don't buy the "becoming mentally sharper" when you are hungry bit for a second. Norepinephrine is not the direct source of energy, norepinephrine signals the body to release glucose into the blood stream which creates a sense of "alertness". If your body is starved of ATP/glycogen stores, then the increased levels of norepinephrine would be similar to a general ordering his troops to fire their guns with no ammunition.
Only way to not need a breakfeast is to gorge yourself during dinner/after dinner. It's just not healthy.
Like I said in my last post - I'd love to be proven wrong, so that I can reevaluate my opinions with new information. Since I've given sources for my claims and you haven't, yes I am sticking with my views over yours. If you'd like to go find some, that can change. Until then, stick with the classic internet response "I don't have time/this has taken too much time/you're not worth the effort/you won't listen anyway".
Which is it? "it's not an instantaneous process" or "you need to eat every three hours"? You don't need to articulate it "better" you just need to be solid in it.
The average american has PLENTY of stored energy. Norepinephrine is going to be perfectly effective for them as there's plenty of "ammunition" for the body to release. Yes, if you were in fact "starved" that wouldn't happen... but like I've been saying the whole time, that won't happen for THREE DAYS.
Also again: it doesn't matter when you get your calories. Your body gets hungry in response to entrained meal patterns, you can eat 3k calories in one sitting if your stomach is big enough, and have the same effect as having eaten 500 calories/meal for six meals. Again, I'm asking you to please SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS TO PROVE ME WRONG.
In response to your edit:
On June 12 2011 09:35 TheGreatWhiteHope_ wrote: I'm not going to argue with you on the multiple meals a day, if you want to eat a 1500 calorie lunch and a 1500 calorie dinner then go ahead. I'm just saying it is not healthy.
In fact, I do just that on a regular basis. I also often eat a 1500 calorie breakfast, (7 am) and won't eat more than an ounce of raw almonds again until after I've gotten back from class, work, the gym, and a visit with friends - 9 or 10 at night, sometimes even later. At that time, I'll have a 1500 (or more) calorie dinner. The body digests all this food, and does it in exactly the same way that it would digest me eating six meals.
Until I see a link to a peer reviewed article, that's my last post in this thread.
"Higher energy intake at breakfast is highly associated with greater whole day energy intake in normal weight and obese subjects", they conclude. "Therefore low energy intake at breakfast can be helpful to lower daily intake and improve the energy balance during treatment of obesity. Whether or not this approach really favours weight loss has to be examined in further interventional studies."
Do not starve yourself, its counterproductive as it slows your metabolism and actually causes your body to be reluctant to burning fat and it encourages it to store more parts of calories as fat. You should eat about 6 meals a day about 3-4 hours apart, this speeds your metabolism up. Its not how many calories you eat (yet getting a certain number depending on your body type is important) as it is what is in the calories you are eating. For example, 2 scoops of whey protein in skim milk is much more valuable than a double cheeseburger at mcdonalds. Depending on your body type (ectomorph, mesomorph, endomorph). you need to keep up on the cardio most importantly but it varies, for example, me as an extomorph good eating habits and all, cannot afford to do 60 minutes of cardio a day without significant increase in calories intake. You should also lift weights to balance out this cardio as balance is very important when living a healthy lifestyle/working out.
Edit: Also, be sure to pay attention to ingredients on food labels as well as the nutrition facts, especially in grain products, as you dont want to be eating any refined grains (white bread as an obvious example), it spikes your blood sugar which cause insulin spikes and makes you more hungry in the long run as as soon as that spike is over, you are hungry again. Also, they get metabolized as fat mostly. Whole grains and whole wheat products still have the bran in them, which contains more fiber and thus digests slower, keeping you fuller longer and since more of it is fiber, it does not metabolize as fat like refined grains do.
Yeah, um...you do not need to lose weight...there's no point in it at all because you're at a normal weight already, and starving yourself will not help at all. What are your motivations for losing even more weight? You have nothing to lose except your health at this point.
I've restricted myself to 1200 calories a day while doing 1 hour of working out and I haven't dropped a gram in 6 months.
What am I doing wrong?
Lying.
Edit:
Seriously how posters in this thread bought his bullshit is beyond me. 1200 cal / day for SIX months?
Are you fucking kidding me?
There had to be at least one. It's called discipline. Even if you do a wrong thing, you can have discipline about it.
So many helpful posts, TL is just so awesome.
Thanks a fucking lot anyone!
You're still sticking with your fairytale? 140 lbs @ 173cm, 1200 cal / day for SIX months and you haven't lost a single gram?
calorie calculator puts you at ~2243 cals / per day to even MAINTAIN 140 lbs. You're under nourished by ~ONE THOUSAND calories EVERYDAY for SIX MONTHS, and don't lose a single gram?
And rofl, no it's not called discipline. It's called being a fucking liar. Get real, next time you lie at least make it somewhat believable. Just admit you lied and be over with it.
I've restricted myself to 1200 calories a day while doing 1 hour of working out and I haven't dropped a gram in 6 months.
What am I doing wrong?
Lying.
Edit:
Seriously how posters in this thread bought his bullshit is beyond me. 1200 cal / day for SIX months?
Are you fucking kidding me?
There had to be at least one. It's called discipline. Even if you do a wrong thing, you can have discipline about it.
So many helpful posts, TL is just so awesome.
Thanks a fucking lot anyone!
You're still sticking with your fairytale? 140 lbs @ 173cm, 1200 cal / day for SIX months and you haven't lost a single gram?
calorie calculator puts you at ~2243 cals / per day to even MAINTAIN 140 lbs. You're under nourished by ~ONE THOUSAND calories EVERYDAY for SIX MONTHS, and don't lose a single gram?
And rofl, no it's not called discipline. It's called being a fucking liar. Get real, next time you lie at least make it somewhat believable. Just admit you lied and be over with it.
definitely lying. I have a similar height and weight and if Ido a 1300-1500calorien diet I lose 2 pounds per week.
Widely known and accepted to be the best "fat loss" book amongst BB peers. Author of the book is a BB with like 2 decades of experience. Very easy to read (even if your English is not the best), he is a BB so there are no fancy words. If he uses any, they are well explained. Go to any BB forum and search for a thread about the book and you will see all positive reviews from respected forum posters. You can find it on "tbay" if you don't want to buy.
hey caruso it sounds like you have some psychological issues with your weight and self esteem. Be happy with what you have and walk around like you've got a big dick. Confidence > abs, true story.
I've restricted myself to 1200 calories a day while doing 1 hour of working out and I haven't dropped a gram in 6 months.
What am I doing wrong?
Lying.
Edit:
Seriously how posters in this thread bought his bullshit is beyond me. 1200 cal / day for SIX months?
Are you fucking kidding me?
There had to be at least one. It's called discipline. Even if you do a wrong thing, you can have discipline about it.
So many helpful posts, TL is just so awesome.
Thanks a fucking lot anyone!
You're still sticking with your fairytale? 140 lbs @ 173cm, 1200 cal / day for SIX months and you haven't lost a single gram?
calorie calculator puts you at ~2243 cals / per day to even MAINTAIN 140 lbs. You're under nourished by ~ONE THOUSAND calories EVERYDAY for SIX MONTHS, and don't lose a single gram?
And rofl, no it's not called discipline. It's called being a fucking liar. Get real, next time you lie at least make it somewhat believable. Just admit you lied and be over with it.
definitely lying. I have a similar height and weight and if Ido a 1300-1500calorien diet I lose 2 pounds per week.
I get the feeling he thinks he is eating ~1200 calories, but is miscalculating somewhere rather than straight up lying about it.
On June 12 2011 18:36 d_so wrote: hey caruso it sounds like you have some psychological issues with your weight and self esteem. Be happy with what you have and walk around like you've got a big dick. Confidence > abs, true story.
I've restricted myself to 1200 calories a day while doing 1 hour of working out and I haven't dropped a gram in 6 months.
What am I doing wrong?
Lying.
Edit:
Seriously how posters in this thread bought his bullshit is beyond me. 1200 cal / day for SIX months?
Are you fucking kidding me?
There had to be at least one. It's called discipline. Even if you do a wrong thing, you can have discipline about it.
So many helpful posts, TL is just so awesome.
Thanks a fucking lot anyone!
You're still sticking with your fairytale? 140 lbs @ 173cm, 1200 cal / day for SIX months and you haven't lost a single gram?
calorie calculator puts you at ~2243 cals / per day to even MAINTAIN 140 lbs. You're under nourished by ~ONE THOUSAND calories EVERYDAY for SIX MONTHS, and don't lose a single gram?
And rofl, no it's not called discipline. It's called being a fucking liar. Get real, next time you lie at least make it somewhat believable. Just admit you lied and be over with it.
definitely lying. I have a similar height and weight and if Ido a 1300-1500calorien diet I lose 2 pounds per week.
I get the feeling he thinks he is eating ~1200 calories, but is miscalculating somewhere rather than straight up lying about it.
This. I mean people can have a slow metabolism perhaps, but not so slow your going to maintain weight at that height/weight as a guy and that's totally ignoring the additional 400-1000 calories he burns per day from his hour of exercise.
140lbs is sort of a joke to be honest.. even if you're at 173cm, i really can't picture a guy that light unless you're like 13 years old or something.
all those fit guys you see in the gym are usually at least 160-180lb range. and thats the normal average guys.
when you see those big motherfuckers thats when you get into that 200 range
and then when you watch the NFL, things get ridiculous lol.
anyway, point of my post is... unless you like having a skinny body (which is fine; to each his own), its 100% possible to weigh 160lbs and be the fittest person in your entire company.
so forget losing the pounds and enjoy eating more food and working out. that way you can not stress about not eating only 1200 and start eating up to 2000.
EPT
