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Please read the topic before responding to the title. The film has been cut and given a rating, it is no longer banned. - KwarK |
I have not seen the second movie but I have heard it's not very much more gorey than any other slasher movie/ gore movie.
Also the first human centipede was really tame(and stupid) so if the second one is the same it does not deserve it's reputation.
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On October 20 2011 04:17 Oroch wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 03:33 Grovbolle wrote:So that's where Human CentiPad comes from, makes more sense.  Also to me it's fine they ban this shit, I mean, seriously. Also: Dachau was never an active concentration camp in the sense that it did never began using it's "burning ovens". I'm not sure whether or not they gassed people, but the didn't burn them there AFAIK (Yes I have been to Dachau) However they did use jews for slavelabor and mutilated them like in all the other concentration camps. But they never got the largescale "gas-and-burn operation up and going" Ur wrong, it was a Concentration Camp, just not a Extermination Camp.
I stand corrected
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On October 20 2011 04:58 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 04:51 Krowser wrote:On October 20 2011 04:45 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 20 2011 04:38 mcc wrote:On October 20 2011 04:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 20 2011 02:51 Krowser wrote:On October 20 2011 02:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 20 2011 01:42 Krowser wrote:
Snuff (violent pr0n) is illegal, just as is child pr0n and other forms of very sick and twisted videos.
Human Centipede easily falls into those categories, what baffles me is that the movie is being released in the first place.
Who the fuck is sick and twisted enough to even want to work on a movie like this? I'm sorry but we have reached the limits of human decency.
I got a huge dose of reality in 2010 when I visited a concentration camp in Germany, it really put some perspective of Horror movies (I don't mean scary, I mean Horror) and their psychological value as entertainment.
People are taking this way too lightly.
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Arguing that this is an issue about freedom of speech falls in the same category as the shortcomings of the justice system, where it's not the truth that wins the case, but rather who can bend the laws of society to their advantage. I've been to what was apparently a concentration camp for Japanese in the US, and to a couple old concentration camps in Greece from the civil war. It's a bit unnerving being in effectively a massive, cramped prison for non-criminals, but I wouldn't say scary... Horror is like when a cross-faded gangsta points a gun at you. Even if he doesn't want to shoot you, he's so wasted, it may not even matter what he decides. Pretty close call, to say the least. If people want to watch Human Centipede, then it just shows some people are really into sick and disgusting things. How anyone in on the movie (in particular the planner) could even have decided to be involved in it is abhorrent. I think what you have visited was a P.O.W camp. Basically a prison for soldiers. I went to Dachau, which was the model/template camp for the extermination of jews and without going into detail, the ones that were shot on the spot were the lucky ones. I was depressed when I got out of there, but not as depressed as the tour guide himself. It's one thing to hop on Wikipedia and read about it, but it's a whole other experience to actually visit the place and see how ''business was conducted''. In short: Fucked up. The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again. And in the meantime you've got morons making ''entertainment'' out of similar situations. I am appalled, revolted and disgusted by this whole mess of things. You forget that allJapanese-American CIVILIANS were put in concentration camps? Also, in Greece, during the civil war, about a million people (out of the total population of like ~6 or 7 million at the time, and all noncombatants, mind you) were put into concentration camps for relocation purposes to move them out of DSE areas. That's pretty hardcore. Also, I thought Dachau was removed from the list of alleged death camps decades ago. If they told you otherwise, they're obviously pushing a fallacious agenda or are terribly ignorant of what history has already been agreed upon by the victors, mind you. In fact, Dachau was effectively a prison for domestic and foreign political prisoners, prisoners of war, criminals, Jews, and others. No killing or w/e going on there. If anything, it's you who went to a POW camp / prison as a very large percentage of the camp were POWs and criminals. O_o The only thing that is semi-correct in your assesment is that Dachau does not compare to some other places like Auschwitz. There were different kinds of camps in Nazi Germany. But comparing Japanese-American camps or even Greek civil war camps to the worst Nazi concentration camps is laughable. Or are you one of those Holocaust deniers, or just a person that lives 70 years after the fact and never met anyone who actually was in Oswiecim or Treblinka ? Holy shit. Stating the very commonly accepted fact that Dachau != death camp means I'm a Holocaust denier? It's called correcting a fallacious statement. Could you be more ridiculously absurd lol? More correct is to say you are terribly sensationalist and irrational for claiming such a thing lol. Holocaust denial means no concentration camp system existed, no internment and suffering of socialists, Slavs, Jews, etc. I said no such thing, not by a long shot. It's like claiming that someone who says the US had mostly bad intentions of going into Iraq is traitorous and un-patriotic, despite I've known a few veterans at that even who said it was a bullshit war. Actually, I've met people who were in the camps. I've heard their stories. Don't assume silly things. Commonly accepted?? By whom? Where are your sources? In any case you seem more interested in bashing people and arguing about details than actually contributing to the discussing, come back when you've calmed down. You really do not know some simple WW2 history? You're coming across as being as ignorant as the few folks who still claim there were WMDs or Al Qaeda links to the iraqi govt. in Iraq. Commonly accepted that there aren't?? By whom? Where are your sources? You sound almost like they do, quite sadly. Seeing comments like that for some reason make me think of Glenn Beck. "Evil underground conspirational socialists aren't taking over America you say? This is madness you utter!" The cause and effect (conspiracy theory, to put it more properly) are so disconnected you just want to put your face in your hands and drink a shot. Wikipedia sums it up pretty nicely I think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_campAre you going to continue to deny facts, or will you finally resort to logic and reason? Btw, the difference between a place being used to kill people, or prison camp holding mostly POWs and criminals and political prisoners is a pretty huge detail. Stating otherwise is extremely irrational.
As a rule I never argue with idiots on the Internet so:
Yes, you are right, you are the all-knowing knowledgefull master of knowledge and I bow to your knowledgy wisdom.
Moving on...
I don't like movies like ''The Human Centipede''. Any good movies coming out these days?
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On October 20 2011 05:12 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 04:58 andycz wrote:On October 20 2011 04:38 mcc wrote:On October 20 2011 04:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 20 2011 02:51 Krowser wrote:On October 20 2011 02:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 20 2011 01:42 Krowser wrote:
Snuff (violent pr0n) is illegal, just as is child pr0n and other forms of very sick and twisted videos.
Human Centipede easily falls into those categories, what baffles me is that the movie is being released in the first place.
Who the fuck is sick and twisted enough to even want to work on a movie like this? I'm sorry but we have reached the limits of human decency.
I got a huge dose of reality in 2010 when I visited a concentration camp in Germany, it really put some perspective of Horror movies (I don't mean scary, I mean Horror) and their psychological value as entertainment.
People are taking this way too lightly.
Edit:
Arguing that this is an issue about freedom of speech falls in the same category as the shortcomings of the justice system, where it's not the truth that wins the case, but rather who can bend the laws of society to their advantage. I've been to what was apparently a concentration camp for Japanese in the US, and to a couple old concentration camps in Greece from the civil war. It's a bit unnerving being in effectively a massive, cramped prison for non-criminals, but I wouldn't say scary... Horror is like when a cross-faded gangsta points a gun at you. Even if he doesn't want to shoot you, he's so wasted, it may not even matter what he decides. Pretty close call, to say the least. If people want to watch Human Centipede, then it just shows some people are really into sick and disgusting things. How anyone in on the movie (in particular the planner) could even have decided to be involved in it is abhorrent. I think what you have visited was a P.O.W camp. Basically a prison for soldiers. I went to Dachau, which was the model/template camp for the extermination of jews and without going into detail, the ones that were shot on the spot were the lucky ones. I was depressed when I got out of there, but not as depressed as the tour guide himself. It's one thing to hop on Wikipedia and read about it, but it's a whole other experience to actually visit the place and see how ''business was conducted''. In short: Fucked up. The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again. And in the meantime you've got morons making ''entertainment'' out of similar situations. I am appalled, revolted and disgusted by this whole mess of things. You forget that allJapanese-American CIVILIANS were put in concentration camps? Also, in Greece, during the civil war, about a million people (out of the total population of like ~6 or 7 million at the time, and all noncombatants, mind you) were put into concentration camps for relocation purposes to move them out of DSE areas. That's pretty hardcore. Also, I thought Dachau was removed from the list of alleged death camps decades ago. If they told you otherwise, they're obviously pushing a fallacious agenda or are terribly ignorant of what history has already been agreed upon by the victors, mind you. In fact, Dachau was effectively a prison for domestic and foreign political prisoners, prisoners of war, criminals, Jews, and others. No killing or w/e going on there. If anything, it's you who went to a POW camp / prison as a very large percentage of the camp were POWs and criminals. O_o The only thing that is semi-correct in your assesment is that Dachau does not compare to some other places like Auschwitz. There were different kinds of camps in Nazi Germany. But comparing Japanese-American camps or even Greek civil war camps to the worst Nazi concentration camps is laughable. Or are you one of those Holocaust deniers, or just a person that lives 70 years after the fact and never met anyone who actually was in Oswiecim or Treblinka ? ROFL, I love tools like you. Bet you're one of the kids who had a school trip to Treblinka and now they're all mad whenever someone even slightly implies that humanity has done other (or worse) atrocities than the Holocaust. Imprisonating people solely because of their Japanese descent? "ah guys, that's laughable, lolol". Armenian genocide? "nah u silly armenians we dont care were too busy talking about holocaust". Gulags? "fuk u guise have u ever talked to anyone who was in teh concentration camp??" News flash for you - every death or an imprisonment of an innocent person is equally horrible. Seriously, people like you are the reason why holocaust deniers actually have listeners for their bullshit. Well for you imprisonment of innocent people is maybe equally horrible to their extermination. Not for me. Also I love how your arguments are just pure misrepresentation of what I said (it is also called lying). Where did I say that American concentration camps were laughing matter ? Please show me, I said that the comparison is laughable. I understand in the light of your last statement that you cannot distinguish any degrees of severity, cruelty and suffering and so you do not get what I mean by saying that comparison is laughable. Just to add to the list of your misrepresentations, I never said that there were never worse atrocities than Holocaust, I said not a word about Armenian genocide or gulags. But please continue.
Looks like you don't understand sarcasm, fits your overall profile so far.
It was pretty damn clear I didn't say that imprisonment = extermination, the meaning was that killing an innocent person A, is just as horrible as killing innocent person B. Same for the imprisonment part. It's kind of sad I need to explain this to you. Judicator obviously got the point of my post, so I'm going to assume I articulated it pretty well and you're just stupid.
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On October 20 2011 04:48 Krowser wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 04:39 polarwolf wrote:
The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again.
This is definately not true. I have been a German soldier myself and we never made a visit to a Concentration and/or extermination camp nor did we specifically talk about that topic. I think this might have been a misunderstanding. Back in the Nazi-days, every Soldier of the SS-Totenkopf-Verbände (SS-Skull-units), the ones that were responsible for running the camps, had to go through training in Dachau in order to teach them the inhuman ideology of the SS and disregard the prisoners as human. The learnt how to torture and beat up people, their commander's twisted ideology said "Toleranz ist Schwäche", roughly "tolreance means weakness". Huh, that's interesting... I'm 97% sure he meant today's soldiers. Well, it was a year ago, I could be wrong.
Let me elobarate a little bit more on this topic, also regarding to other discussions going on here. Dachau was one of the first, if not the first concentation camp in Germany, built as early as 1933/1934. It was a "model concentration camp". Of course you cannot compare it to the extermination camps in Eastern Europe, mainly Poland, that were founded in 1942 and 1943 (in the timeframe of the World War and it's conditions, while Dachau was erected in Peace time. I doubt you could run an death camp in a peaceful environment) and where hundreds of thousands were killed. In Germany there was never an death camp.
This should not mean that Dachau was not a horrific place. As I mentioned earlier, it was the SS-teaching-camp, the staff that would later be responsible for said extermination camps learnt their "skills" in Dachau.
I think later in the war there was even a dispute in the German government because the secretary of business administration or something alike wanted to use the prisoners for slave work, while the Nazi ideologists just wanted extermination. That business branch felt that it was impossible to use the SS-Staff taught in Dachau for delegating a working force because they were too harsh to the prisoners and argued that Germany needed that labor. What the exact outcome of that dispute was, is unknown to me.
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On October 20 2011 05:17 Krowser wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 04:58 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 20 2011 04:51 Krowser wrote:On October 20 2011 04:45 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 20 2011 04:38 mcc wrote:On October 20 2011 04:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 20 2011 02:51 Krowser wrote:On October 20 2011 02:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 20 2011 01:42 Krowser wrote:
Snuff (violent pr0n) is illegal, just as is child pr0n and other forms of very sick and twisted videos.
Human Centipede easily falls into those categories, what baffles me is that the movie is being released in the first place.
Who the fuck is sick and twisted enough to even want to work on a movie like this? I'm sorry but we have reached the limits of human decency.
I got a huge dose of reality in 2010 when I visited a concentration camp in Germany, it really put some perspective of Horror movies (I don't mean scary, I mean Horror) and their psychological value as entertainment.
People are taking this way too lightly.
Edit:
Arguing that this is an issue about freedom of speech falls in the same category as the shortcomings of the justice system, where it's not the truth that wins the case, but rather who can bend the laws of society to their advantage. I've been to what was apparently a concentration camp for Japanese in the US, and to a couple old concentration camps in Greece from the civil war. It's a bit unnerving being in effectively a massive, cramped prison for non-criminals, but I wouldn't say scary... Horror is like when a cross-faded gangsta points a gun at you. Even if he doesn't want to shoot you, he's so wasted, it may not even matter what he decides. Pretty close call, to say the least. If people want to watch Human Centipede, then it just shows some people are really into sick and disgusting things. How anyone in on the movie (in particular the planner) could even have decided to be involved in it is abhorrent. I think what you have visited was a P.O.W camp. Basically a prison for soldiers. I went to Dachau, which was the model/template camp for the extermination of jews and without going into detail, the ones that were shot on the spot were the lucky ones. I was depressed when I got out of there, but not as depressed as the tour guide himself. It's one thing to hop on Wikipedia and read about it, but it's a whole other experience to actually visit the place and see how ''business was conducted''. In short: Fucked up. The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again. And in the meantime you've got morons making ''entertainment'' out of similar situations. I am appalled, revolted and disgusted by this whole mess of things. You forget that allJapanese-American CIVILIANS were put in concentration camps? Also, in Greece, during the civil war, about a million people (out of the total population of like ~6 or 7 million at the time, and all noncombatants, mind you) were put into concentration camps for relocation purposes to move them out of DSE areas. That's pretty hardcore. Also, I thought Dachau was removed from the list of alleged death camps decades ago. If they told you otherwise, they're obviously pushing a fallacious agenda or are terribly ignorant of what history has already been agreed upon by the victors, mind you. In fact, Dachau was effectively a prison for domestic and foreign political prisoners, prisoners of war, criminals, Jews, and others. No killing or w/e going on there. If anything, it's you who went to a POW camp / prison as a very large percentage of the camp were POWs and criminals. O_o The only thing that is semi-correct in your assesment is that Dachau does not compare to some other places like Auschwitz. There were different kinds of camps in Nazi Germany. But comparing Japanese-American camps or even Greek civil war camps to the worst Nazi concentration camps is laughable. Or are you one of those Holocaust deniers, or just a person that lives 70 years after the fact and never met anyone who actually was in Oswiecim or Treblinka ? Holy shit. Stating the very commonly accepted fact that Dachau != death camp means I'm a Holocaust denier? It's called correcting a fallacious statement. Could you be more ridiculously absurd lol? More correct is to say you are terribly sensationalist and irrational for claiming such a thing lol. Holocaust denial means no concentration camp system existed, no internment and suffering of socialists, Slavs, Jews, etc. I said no such thing, not by a long shot. It's like claiming that someone who says the US had mostly bad intentions of going into Iraq is traitorous and un-patriotic, despite I've known a few veterans at that even who said it was a bullshit war. Actually, I've met people who were in the camps. I've heard their stories. Don't assume silly things. Commonly accepted?? By whom? Where are your sources? In any case you seem more interested in bashing people and arguing about details than actually contributing to the discussing, come back when you've calmed down. You really do not know some simple WW2 history? You're coming across as being as ignorant as the few folks who still claim there were WMDs or Al Qaeda links to the iraqi govt. in Iraq. Commonly accepted that there aren't?? By whom? Where are your sources? You sound almost like they do, quite sadly. Seeing comments like that for some reason make me think of Glenn Beck. "Evil underground conspirational socialists aren't taking over America you say? This is madness you utter!" The cause and effect (conspiracy theory, to put it more properly) are so disconnected you just want to put your face in your hands and drink a shot. Wikipedia sums it up pretty nicely I think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_campAre you going to continue to deny facts, or will you finally resort to logic and reason? Btw, the difference between a place being used to kill people, or prison camp holding mostly POWs and criminals and political prisoners is a pretty huge detail. Stating otherwise is extremely irrational. As a rule I never argue with people who prove my aggressive denial of simple facts wrong on the Internet so: Yes, you are right, you are the all-knowing knowledgefull master of knowledge and I bow to your knowledgy wisdom. Moving on... I don't like movies like ''The Human Centipede''. Any good movies coming out these days?
Fixed that for you.
Everyone gets a bit too prideful when they're wrong from time to time, so I can't blame you. *shrugs* Thank you for praising my wisdom (albeit sarcastically). I am glad to have educated a young one in some WW2 history to say the least .
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On October 20 2011 05:24 polarwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 04:48 Krowser wrote:On October 20 2011 04:39 polarwolf wrote:
The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again.
This is definately not true. I have been a German soldier myself and we never made a visit to a Concentration and/or extermination camp nor did we specifically talk about that topic. I think this might have been a misunderstanding. Back in the Nazi-days, every Soldier of the SS-Totenkopf-Verbände (SS-Skull-units), the ones that were responsible for running the camps, had to go through training in Dachau in order to teach them the inhuman ideology of the SS and disregard the prisoners as human. The learnt how to torture and beat up people, their commander's twisted ideology said "Toleranz ist Schwäche", roughly "tolreance means weakness". Huh, that's interesting... I'm 97% sure he meant today's soldiers. Well, it was a year ago, I could be wrong. Let me elobarate a little bit more on this topic, also regarding to other discussions going on here. Dachau was one of the first, if not the first concentation camp in Germany, built as early as 1933/1934. It was a "model concentration camp". Of course you cannot compare it to the extermination camps in Eastern Europe, mainly Poland, that were founded in 1942 and 1943 (in the timeframe of the World War and it's conditions, while Dachau was erected in Peace time. I doubt you could run an death camp in a peaceful environment) and where hundreds of thousands were killed. In Germany there was never an death camp. This should not mean that Dachau was not a horrific place. As I mentioned earlier, it was the SS-teaching-camp, the staff that would later be responsible for said extermination camps learnt their "skills" in Dachau. I think later in the war there was even a dispute in the German government because the secretary of business administration or something alike wanted to use the prisoners for slave work, while the Nazi ideologists just wanted extermination. That business branch felt that it was impossible to use the SS-Staff taught in Dachau for delegating a working force because they were too harsh to the prisoners and argued that Germany needed that labor. What the exact outcome of that dispute was, is unknown to me.
Ok that makes more sense. I forgot they were using it for unwanted people in 1930s.
It's messed up stuff and that's why I stay away from horror movies. In my opinion it's a subject we should stay away from because it shows how normal humans can go completely berzerk.
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On October 20 2011 05:12 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 05:02 mcc wrote:On October 20 2011 04:58 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 20 2011 04:51 Krowser wrote:On October 20 2011 04:45 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 20 2011 04:38 mcc wrote:On October 20 2011 04:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 20 2011 02:51 Krowser wrote:On October 20 2011 02:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 20 2011 01:42 Krowser wrote:
Snuff (violent pr0n) is illegal, just as is child pr0n and other forms of very sick and twisted videos.
Human Centipede easily falls into those categories, what baffles me is that the movie is being released in the first place.
Who the fuck is sick and twisted enough to even want to work on a movie like this? I'm sorry but we have reached the limits of human decency.
I got a huge dose of reality in 2010 when I visited a concentration camp in Germany, it really put some perspective of Horror movies (I don't mean scary, I mean Horror) and their psychological value as entertainment.
People are taking this way too lightly.
Edit:
Arguing that this is an issue about freedom of speech falls in the same category as the shortcomings of the justice system, where it's not the truth that wins the case, but rather who can bend the laws of society to their advantage. I've been to what was apparently a concentration camp for Japanese in the US, and to a couple old concentration camps in Greece from the civil war. It's a bit unnerving being in effectively a massive, cramped prison for non-criminals, but I wouldn't say scary... Horror is like when a cross-faded gangsta points a gun at you. Even if he doesn't want to shoot you, he's so wasted, it may not even matter what he decides. Pretty close call, to say the least. If people want to watch Human Centipede, then it just shows some people are really into sick and disgusting things. How anyone in on the movie (in particular the planner) could even have decided to be involved in it is abhorrent. I think what you have visited was a P.O.W camp. Basically a prison for soldiers. I went to Dachau, which was the model/template camp for the extermination of jews and without going into detail, the ones that were shot on the spot were the lucky ones. I was depressed when I got out of there, but not as depressed as the tour guide himself. It's one thing to hop on Wikipedia and read about it, but it's a whole other experience to actually visit the place and see how ''business was conducted''. In short: Fucked up. The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again. And in the meantime you've got morons making ''entertainment'' out of similar situations. I am appalled, revolted and disgusted by this whole mess of things. You forget that allJapanese-American CIVILIANS were put in concentration camps? Also, in Greece, during the civil war, about a million people (out of the total population of like ~6 or 7 million at the time, and all noncombatants, mind you) were put into concentration camps for relocation purposes to move them out of DSE areas. That's pretty hardcore. Also, I thought Dachau was removed from the list of alleged death camps decades ago. If they told you otherwise, they're obviously pushing a fallacious agenda or are terribly ignorant of what history has already been agreed upon by the victors, mind you. In fact, Dachau was effectively a prison for domestic and foreign political prisoners, prisoners of war, criminals, Jews, and others. No killing or w/e going on there. If anything, it's you who went to a POW camp / prison as a very large percentage of the camp were POWs and criminals. O_o The only thing that is semi-correct in your assesment is that Dachau does not compare to some other places like Auschwitz. There were different kinds of camps in Nazi Germany. But comparing Japanese-American camps or even Greek civil war camps to the worst Nazi concentration camps is laughable. Or are you one of those Holocaust deniers, or just a person that lives 70 years after the fact and never met anyone who actually was in Oswiecim or Treblinka ? Holy shit. Stating the very commonly accepted fact that Dachau != death camp means I'm a Holocaust denier? It's called correcting a fallacious statement. Could you be more ridiculously absurd lol? More correct is to say you are terribly sensationalist and irrational for claiming such a thing lol. Holocaust denial means no concentration camp system existed, no internment and suffering of socialists, Slavs, Jews, etc. I said no such thing, not by a long shot. It's like claiming that someone who says the US had mostly bad intentions of going into Iraq is traitorous and un-patriotic, despite I've known a few veterans at that even who said it was a bullshit war. Actually, I've met people who were in the camps. I've heard their stories. Don't assume silly things. Commonly accepted?? By whom? Where are your sources? In any case you seem more interested in bashing people and arguing about details than actually contributing to the discussing, come back when you've calmed down. You really do not know some simple WW2 history? You're coming across as being as ignorant as the few folks who still claim there were WMDs or Al Qaeda links to the iraqi govt. in Iraq. Commonly accepted that there aren't?? By whom? Where are your sources? You sound almost like they do. Wikipedia sums it up pretty nicely I think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_campAre you going to continue to deny facts, or will you finally resort to logic and reason? Btw, the difference between a place being used to kill people, or prison camp holding mostly POWs and criminals and political prisoners is a pretty huge detail. Stating otherwise is extremely irrational. Still does not change the fact that you actually did not correct anything in your reaction as he did not say anything about Dachau being death camp. You original reaction had basically nothing to do with what he wrote and the only thing you said was that concentration camps were just somewhat scary and nothing terrible, which is somewhat subjective, but for most people your statement would be false. No, Krowser was denying the fact that Dachau wasn't a death camp. When I stated that it was not, he replied with: "Commonly accepted?? By whom? Where are your sources?" Reading comprehension tells me he was rejected my statement that Dachau was not a killing camp. I stated it was a concentration camp, and unlike what the original person I replied to said, had a very large POW population, unlike the US/Greek camps he assumes I've visited in the past which were entirely civilians, if anything. So yes, I did correct Krowser. I don't see how I did not.
I could make sarcastic note about reading comprehension
Note that I was explicitly talking about your reaction to his first post. Please read the first post of Krowser and show me where he was saying anything about Dachau being death camp. He did not. He said it was horror. And you jumped in saying it was not horror just scary and continuing with a rant that had nothing really to do with the point he was originally making.
On October 20 2011 05:12 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
I'll tell you at least in part why it's subjective (for people who were not in the camps, of course for the people who suffered through the horror of the process of the relocation to and suffering in the camps will believe it's the worst thing ever and I full support them in that view since they lived through it). andycz put it pretty well imo. For most people in USA and western Europe, only the German concentration camps are terrible because it was ingrained that they were the utmost horror in the history of the world. I was essentially educated the same way, while things like the near-extermination of the Native Americans, and slavery were kind of washed aside like not a big deal. If those concentration camps had been given as little attention as say the US concentration camps, Italian camps, Soviet camps, Greek camps, Japanese camps, just within WW2 and the aftermath of WW2, not to mention other atrocities besides concentration camps, I believe there would be only some more horror attributed to it than other ones, not an exponential degree greater as it is.
Just to clear it up, are you trying to argue that American concentration camps for Japanese-Americans had caused (even somewhat) comparable level of suffering and cruelty as Nazi concentration camps (and I include to that also death camps) or are you just comparing American ones with "non-death camp"-concentration camps of Nazis ?
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if he thinks hes making the sickest movie of all time he clearly hasnt seen 'a serbian film'
after all this constroversy, the poor guy doesnt realise hes not even accomplishing his goal at the end of the day 
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On October 20 2011 05:21 andycz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 05:12 mcc wrote:On October 20 2011 04:58 andycz wrote:On October 20 2011 04:38 mcc wrote:On October 20 2011 04:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 20 2011 02:51 Krowser wrote:On October 20 2011 02:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 20 2011 01:42 Krowser wrote:
Snuff (violent pr0n) is illegal, just as is child pr0n and other forms of very sick and twisted videos.
Human Centipede easily falls into those categories, what baffles me is that the movie is being released in the first place.
Who the fuck is sick and twisted enough to even want to work on a movie like this? I'm sorry but we have reached the limits of human decency.
I got a huge dose of reality in 2010 when I visited a concentration camp in Germany, it really put some perspective of Horror movies (I don't mean scary, I mean Horror) and their psychological value as entertainment.
People are taking this way too lightly.
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Arguing that this is an issue about freedom of speech falls in the same category as the shortcomings of the justice system, where it's not the truth that wins the case, but rather who can bend the laws of society to their advantage. I've been to what was apparently a concentration camp for Japanese in the US, and to a couple old concentration camps in Greece from the civil war. It's a bit unnerving being in effectively a massive, cramped prison for non-criminals, but I wouldn't say scary... Horror is like when a cross-faded gangsta points a gun at you. Even if he doesn't want to shoot you, he's so wasted, it may not even matter what he decides. Pretty close call, to say the least. If people want to watch Human Centipede, then it just shows some people are really into sick and disgusting things. How anyone in on the movie (in particular the planner) could even have decided to be involved in it is abhorrent. I think what you have visited was a P.O.W camp. Basically a prison for soldiers. I went to Dachau, which was the model/template camp for the extermination of jews and without going into detail, the ones that were shot on the spot were the lucky ones. I was depressed when I got out of there, but not as depressed as the tour guide himself. It's one thing to hop on Wikipedia and read about it, but it's a whole other experience to actually visit the place and see how ''business was conducted''. In short: Fucked up. The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again. And in the meantime you've got morons making ''entertainment'' out of similar situations. I am appalled, revolted and disgusted by this whole mess of things. You forget that allJapanese-American CIVILIANS were put in concentration camps? Also, in Greece, during the civil war, about a million people (out of the total population of like ~6 or 7 million at the time, and all noncombatants, mind you) were put into concentration camps for relocation purposes to move them out of DSE areas. That's pretty hardcore. Also, I thought Dachau was removed from the list of alleged death camps decades ago. If they told you otherwise, they're obviously pushing a fallacious agenda or are terribly ignorant of what history has already been agreed upon by the victors, mind you. In fact, Dachau was effectively a prison for domestic and foreign political prisoners, prisoners of war, criminals, Jews, and others. No killing or w/e going on there. If anything, it's you who went to a POW camp / prison as a very large percentage of the camp were POWs and criminals. O_o The only thing that is semi-correct in your assesment is that Dachau does not compare to some other places like Auschwitz. There were different kinds of camps in Nazi Germany. But comparing Japanese-American camps or even Greek civil war camps to the worst Nazi concentration camps is laughable. Or are you one of those Holocaust deniers, or just a person that lives 70 years after the fact and never met anyone who actually was in Oswiecim or Treblinka ? ROFL, I love tools like you. Bet you're one of the kids who had a school trip to Treblinka and now they're all mad whenever someone even slightly implies that humanity has done other (or worse) atrocities than the Holocaust. Imprisonating people solely because of their Japanese descent? "ah guys, that's laughable, lolol". Armenian genocide? "nah u silly armenians we dont care were too busy talking about holocaust". Gulags? "fuk u guise have u ever talked to anyone who was in teh concentration camp??" News flash for you - every death or an imprisonment of an innocent person is equally horrible. Seriously, people like you are the reason why holocaust deniers actually have listeners for their bullshit. Well for you imprisonment of innocent people is maybe equally horrible to their extermination. Not for me. Also I love how your arguments are just pure misrepresentation of what I said (it is also called lying). Where did I say that American concentration camps were laughing matter ? Please show me, I said that the comparison is laughable. I understand in the light of your last statement that you cannot distinguish any degrees of severity, cruelty and suffering and so you do not get what I mean by saying that comparison is laughable. Just to add to the list of your misrepresentations, I never said that there were never worse atrocities than Holocaust, I said not a word about Armenian genocide or gulags. But please continue. Looks like you don't understand sarcasm, fits your overall profile so far. It was pretty damn clear I didn't say that imprisonment = extermination, the meaning was that killing an innocent person A, is just as horrible as killing innocent person B. Same for the imprisonment part. It's kind of sad I need to explain this to you. Judicator obviously got the point of my post, so I'm going to assume I articulated it pretty well and you're just stupid.
No I got it, but since you misrepresented my words I just used literal meaning of yours. But even your clarified statement is wrong and every moral and judicial code disagrees with you. Killing innocent person by putting him to sleep and by torturing him for days is not equally horrible. And before you accuse me of misunderstanding you again, my point is that there are scales in everything and everywhere, and specifically in this case amount of suffering caused by American concentration camps and German ones is actually different and quite significantly so.
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I don't get what's the big deal about a movie (eg. didn't happen in reality) to get banned.
Sure, put a 18+ label on it so kids and teens (those who may actually learn something bad from this) are less likely to watch this (internet says hello).
I mean, if they ban this because someone may actually want to make an human centipede such as the film, don't you think that person would be clever enough to dl it from the internet? Also this won't motivate him further, because he already has the idea that fucking people off will be somewhat amusing for him.
Any sane person who watches this for whatever reason won't suddenly turn into a pervert masochist or w/e. These kind of fucked up personalities come from actual negative experiences in real life (ex. molested as child).
I haven't watched neither, but from what I've read, it's mostly a shock film, so I pressume it has a bad/non-existant history and contains more than expected gory scenes. In which case I'd just call the movie BAD and move on.
I don't see much difference between SAW and this, speaking about the premise for entertainment.
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How did free speech win if the movie was forced to be cut? Isn't that the same as censorship?
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On October 20 2011 08:04 jdseemoreglass wrote:How did free speech win if the movie was forced to be cut? Isn't that the same as censorship?
Sorry, I was hoping to end the thread. Never mind, free speech doesn't win. You're all correct XD
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Another good reason to live in America 
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Pretty sure this thread is about the release of a terrible movie not Nazi Concentration Camps. Come on guys... -_____-
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Lol, the first one was so tame.
Was really lame, don't understand what the fuss was about at all. Bad movie, most likely even worse sequel.
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It seems more and more like I'm genuinely the only person excited about this movie; and I'm really glad to hear it'll finally be released. I feel the need to explain my excitement somewhat since every time a shock film is released there always seems to be people who question the intelligence and/or sanity of those who would appreciate such a thing.
I recently finished a university course in film studies and next year I'll be applying for an effects make-up course to follow it up with. I wanted to get into that because I was never a big fan of CGI effects; even in the best case scenario I find it still looks out of place and often reflects the quality of the tools used to create it more than the ability of the artist. It's in mechanical and make-up effects where the realism really reflects the work put into it. Many straight to DVD horror features reflect this pretty well in that the CGI effects are absolute crap while the gore and make up are still very well done, even with minimal budget.
I could appreciate all the Griffith and Eisenstein films we watched in class for their artistic value in regards to the grand scheme of cinematic things; but I was just as interested in the Friday the 13th franchise and other such 'filth' for the quality of their effects; and so I grew to idolize special effects folks like Tom Savini, Dick Smith, and (my personal favourite) Stacy Davidson for their uncanny attention to detail in creating morbid imagery.
But I digress; it's not for the gore or special effects that I actually can't wait to see this movie, but it stems from my obsession with such things. You see; in my film studies course both students and teachers would occasionally reference a movie so vile that it was brought to court because so many people believed the director had actually killed the actors. This of course turned out to be untrue (though some animals were harmed during filming), and the film in question was the notorious Cannibal Holocaust. I decided that if I ever wanted to make a career of grossing people out I had to see it.
You've probably heard of how gruesome Cannibal Holocaust is, and that's justified, but what has always bothered me is that people rarely look past that to talk about how it's actually a pretty good film; one that addresses issues that are much more interesting to consider and discuss than the gore. I was in a documentary film class at the time and was surprised to see that this movie covered about 3 weeks worth of lectures on ethics in a few gruesome hours. If you haven't seen it; it's about a documentary crew that goes to film a tribe of cannibals after another documentary crew goes missing doing the same. The second crew eventually discovers that the cannibals were not originally hostile, but rather that they were provoked into violence by the first crew and are no longer trusting of outsiders. It's not a perfect film; a lot of its message is delivered a bit too blatantly rather than through any sort of artistic method and it makes some of the dialog feel a bit unnatural, but the ideas it presents are fairly sound and the fact that the concept of ethical filmmaking that the film presents is juxtaposed by the complete disregard for it in the actual production strikes me as a rather brilliant move.
So fast forward to the release of Human Centipede. Around the time it starts to become infamous all my friends start asking me if I've seen it (as I'm often the only one who dares to watch such things). I look into it and find out that it's not some big special effects fest but more suggestive horror, a la Jaws, and the "First Sequence" subtitle kind of throws me off; making me consider waiting until the next few sequences are released and see if its notorious reputation still holds any weight. I read on a bit more and eventually stumble upon an interview with the director (which I can't find right now) where he says that First Sequence was limited on story because he wanted to set up the concept behind the centipede; which was supposed to be a plot device in the second film that the director didn't want to spend too much time discussing when it actually came time to create a narrative about the thing. Evil doctor, people sewn together, limited special effects; I got the concept, I never felt any desire to watch it but figured I'd check out Full Sequence when it was released and see if it's worth my time. I immediately became interested after seeing the new trailer and its similarities to Cannibal Holocaust. A self reflexive picture that uses a DVD of the original film as a plot device? It's clear that it wasn't the idea of the centipede that the director wanted to establish; it was the actual audience response to such gruesome ideas that he seemed to want to comment on. It could be a total bust; but frankly I see a lot of potential there for discussion on what should and shouldn't be allowed in cinema, the idea of good taste and whether it should be enforced in artistic mediums, that sort of thing. The fact that we've already been discussing such things for almost 30 pages really suggests that this sort of reading is within the realm of possibility, and if the film does address such things (and the reviews seem to suggest that it does), I'd imagine that the subject matter (if not the content) may be of interest to most people who participated in this thread. I can't comment on the execution but it strikes me as a really interesting idea and that's why I'm so excited about it. It might be something to consider before shunning it for being repulsive.
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its really not as gross as you think its all implied, A Serbian Film is like 10000x worse than the human centipede
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What is up with the movie industry? lololol...
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