On October 20 2011 02:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 01:42 Krowser wrote: Snuff (violent pr0n) is illegal, just as is child pr0n and other forms of very sick and twisted videos.
Human Centipede easily falls into those categories, what baffles me is that the movie is being released in the first place.
Who the fuck is sick and twisted enough to even want to work on a movie like this? I'm sorry but we have reached the limits of human decency.
I got a huge dose of reality in 2010 when I visited a concentration camp in Germany, it really put some perspective of Horror movies (I don't mean scary, I mean Horror) and their psychological value as entertainment.
People are taking this way too lightly.
Edit:
Arguing that this is an issue about freedom of speech falls in the same category as the shortcomings of the justice system, where it's not the truth that wins the case, but rather who can bend the laws of society to their advantage.
I've been to what was apparently a concentration camp for Japanese in the US, and to a couple old concentration camps in Greece from the civil war. It's a bit unnerving being in effectively a massive, cramped prison for non-criminals, but I wouldn't say scary... Horror is like when a cross-faded gangsta points a gun at you. Even if he doesn't want to shoot you, he's so wasted, it may not even matter what he decides. Pretty close call, to say the least.
If people want to watch Human Centipede, then it just shows some people are really into sick and disgusting things. How anyone in on the movie (in particular the planner) could even have decided to be involved in it is abhorrent.
I think what you have visited was a P.O.W camp. Basically a prison for soldiers. I went to Dachau, which was the model/template camp for the extermination of jews and without going into detail, the ones that were shot on the spot were the lucky ones.
I was depressed when I got out of there, but not as depressed as the tour guide himself. It's one thing to hop on Wikipedia and read about it, but it's a whole other experience to actually visit the place and see how ''business was conducted''.
In short: Fucked up.
The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again.
And in the meantime you've got morons making ''entertainment'' out of similar situations.
I am appalled, revolted and disgusted by this whole mess of things.
You forget that all Japanese-American CIVILIANS were put in concentration camps? Not POWs, but civilians. Also, in Greece, during the civil war, about a million people (out of the total population of like ~6 or 7 million at the time, and all noncombatants, mind you) were put into concentration camps for relocation purposes to move them out of DSE areas. That's pretty hardcore.
Also, I thought Dachau was removed from the list of alleged death camps decades ago. If they told you otherwise, they're obviously pushing a fallacious agenda or are terribly ignorant of what history has already been agreed upon by the victors, mind you. In fact, Dachau was effectively a prison for domestic and foreign political prisoners, prisoners of war, criminals, Jews, and others. No killing or w/e going on there. If anything, it's you who went to a POW camp / prison as a very large percentage of the camp were POWs and criminals. O_o I mean, a camp largely comprising POWs and criminals (and political prisoners, who could be labeled prisoners) that's far less a feeling to capture than the concentration camps I went to in the US or Greece, so in fact, I experienced "far worse" than you, if you want to put it that way. I don't see why you're saying otherwise :S.
I've heard this movie is nothing but pure gore and torture porn. I wouldn't want to see it anyway. A lot of movies that are trying to be scary/horror/gore often times give you the idea of what is happening but they don't show it to you directly, well I believe this movie does and the only reason to do it is to shock people, not a fan.
On October 20 2011 02:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 01:42 Krowser wrote: Snuff (violent pr0n) is illegal, just as is child pr0n and other forms of very sick and twisted videos.
Human Centipede easily falls into those categories, what baffles me is that the movie is being released in the first place.
Who the fuck is sick and twisted enough to even want to work on a movie like this? I'm sorry but we have reached the limits of human decency.
I got a huge dose of reality in 2010 when I visited a concentration camp in Germany, it really put some perspective of Horror movies (I don't mean scary, I mean Horror) and their psychological value as entertainment.
People are taking this way too lightly.
Edit:
Arguing that this is an issue about freedom of speech falls in the same category as the shortcomings of the justice system, where it's not the truth that wins the case, but rather who can bend the laws of society to their advantage.
I've been to what was apparently a concentration camp for Japanese in the US, and to a couple old concentration camps in Greece from the civil war. It's a bit unnerving being in effectively a massive, cramped prison for non-criminals, but I wouldn't say scary... Horror is like when a cross-faded gangsta points a gun at you. Even if he doesn't want to shoot you, he's so wasted, it may not even matter what he decides. Pretty close call, to say the least.
If people want to watch Human Centipede, then it just shows some people are really into sick and disgusting things. How anyone in on the movie (in particular the planner) could even have decided to be involved in it is abhorrent.
I think what you have visited was a P.O.W camp. Basically a prison for soldiers. I went to Dachau, which was the model/template camp for the extermination of jews and without going into detail, the ones that were shot on the spot were the lucky ones.
I was depressed when I got out of there, but not as depressed as the tour guide himself. It's one thing to hop on Wikipedia and read about it, but it's a whole other experience to actually visit the place and see how ''business was conducted''.
In short: Fucked up.
The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again.
And in the meantime you've got morons making ''entertainment'' out of similar situations.
I am appalled, revolted and disgusted by this whole mess of things.
You forget that allJapanese-American CIVILIANS were put in concentration camps? Also, in Greece, during the civil war, about a million people (out of the total population of like ~6 or 7 million at the time, and all noncombatants, mind you) were put into concentration camps for relocation purposes to move them out of DSE areas. That's pretty hardcore.
Also, I thought Dachau was removed from the list of alleged death camps decades ago. If they told you otherwise, they're obviously pushing a fallacious agenda or are terribly ignorant of what history has already been agreed upon by the victors, mind you. In fact, Dachau was effectively a prison for domestic and foreign political prisoners, prisoners of war, criminals, Jews, and others. No killing or w/e going on there. If anything, it's you who went to a POW camp / prison as a very large percentage of the camp were POWs and criminals. O_o
I believe you are terribly wrong in your second paragraph.
On October 20 2011 02:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 01:42 Krowser wrote: Snuff (violent pr0n) is illegal, just as is child pr0n and other forms of very sick and twisted videos.
Human Centipede easily falls into those categories, what baffles me is that the movie is being released in the first place.
Who the fuck is sick and twisted enough to even want to work on a movie like this? I'm sorry but we have reached the limits of human decency.
I got a huge dose of reality in 2010 when I visited a concentration camp in Germany, it really put some perspective of Horror movies (I don't mean scary, I mean Horror) and their psychological value as entertainment.
People are taking this way too lightly.
Edit:
Arguing that this is an issue about freedom of speech falls in the same category as the shortcomings of the justice system, where it's not the truth that wins the case, but rather who can bend the laws of society to their advantage.
I've been to what was apparently a concentration camp for Japanese in the US, and to a couple old concentration camps in Greece from the civil war. It's a bit unnerving being in effectively a massive, cramped prison for non-criminals, but I wouldn't say scary... Horror is like when a cross-faded gangsta points a gun at you. Even if he doesn't want to shoot you, he's so wasted, it may not even matter what he decides. Pretty close call, to say the least.
If people want to watch Human Centipede, then it just shows some people are really into sick and disgusting things. How anyone in on the movie (in particular the planner) could even have decided to be involved in it is abhorrent.
I think what you have visited was a P.O.W camp. Basically a prison for soldiers. I went to Dachau, which was the model/template camp for the extermination of jews and without going into detail, the ones that were shot on the spot were the lucky ones.
I was depressed when I got out of there, but not as depressed as the tour guide himself. It's one thing to hop on Wikipedia and read about it, but it's a whole other experience to actually visit the place and see how ''business was conducted''.
In short: Fucked up.
The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again.
And in the meantime you've got morons making ''entertainment'' out of similar situations.
I am appalled, revolted and disgusted by this whole mess of things.
You forget that allJapanese-American CIVILIANS were put in concentration camps? Also, in Greece, during the civil war, about a million people (out of the total population of like ~6 or 7 million at the time, and all noncombatants, mind you) were put into concentration camps for relocation purposes to move them out of DSE areas. That's pretty hardcore.
Also, I thought Dachau was removed from the list of alleged death camps decades ago. If they told you otherwise, they're obviously pushing a fallacious agenda or are terribly ignorant of what history has already been agreed upon by the victors, mind you. In fact, Dachau was effectively a prison for domestic and foreign political prisoners, prisoners of war, criminals, Jews, and others. No killing or w/e going on there. If anything, it's you who went to a POW camp / prison as a very large percentage of the camp were POWs and criminals. O_o
The only thing that is semi-correct in your assesment is that Dachau does not compare to some other places like Auschwitz. There were different kinds of camps in Nazi Germany. But comparing Japanese-American camps or even Greek civil war camps to the worst Nazi concentration camps is laughable. Or are you one of those Holocaust deniers, or just a person that lives 70 years after the fact and never met anyone who actually was in Oswiecim or Treblinka ?
EDIT: Ok, your edit cleared it up. Sorry for the aggressive tone, but people downplaying Nazi concentration camps are often extremely callous in my opinion and I tend to overreact. Dachau was definitely not basically populated by criminals and POWs. In later stages probably yes, but it is not true for all its existence. Also it is not true that there was no killing in Dachau, it was just not extermination, but there was plenty of killing.
Also if you think places like Dachau were just scary and not horror, that is like the most naive thing ever. For some it might not have been horror, but for many it was. Places like Oswiecim are just pure horror. Modern Iraq and similar places are different, more immediate, but also somewhat more understood face of human violence and cruelty, they are similar to events that happened all the time in the history. Things that happened in Nazi(and also Japanese) camps also happened in history, but not on such a level and not in such a partially dehumanized industrial form. That is probably why those places have such deep impact on people.
Also I do not undestand what your objection has to do with Krowser's point. He said that Dachau had big impact on him and allowed him to realize what humans are capable doing to other humans. He was not discussing politics per se, so why bring about Iraq. Of course in terms of helping and doing something we should concentrate on current suffering. But that is not what he was talking about.
The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again.
This is definately not true. I have been a German soldier myself and we never made a visit to a Concentration and/or extermination camp nor did we specifically talk about that topic.
I think this might have been a misunderstanding. Back in the Nazi-days, every Soldier of the SS-Totenkopf-Verbände (SS-Skull-units), the ones that were responsible for running the camps, had to go through training in Dachau in order to teach them the inhuman ideology of the SS and disregard the prisoners as human. The learnt how to torture and beat up people, their commander's twisted ideology said "Toleranz ist Schwäche", roughly "tolreance means weakness".
On October 20 2011 03:17 Cloud9157 wrote: I actually watched this movie one night while bored. I heard it was disturbing.
Frankly, it was. Was it that bad? No. The Saw franchise would put it to shame.
I try to find justification for this movie, but I really can't see any... Maybe that we shouldn't try to play god and create our own "being"?
Speaking of saw there was some pretty nasty stuff in those movies. I personally like good stories in horror movies rather than just tons of unnecessary gore which seems to be really popular now.
On October 20 2011 03:17 Cloud9157 wrote: I actually watched this movie one night while bored. I heard it was disturbing.
Frankly, it was. Was it that bad? No. The Saw franchise would put it to shame.
I try to find justification for this movie, but I really can't see any... Maybe that we shouldn't try to play god and create our own "being"?
Speaking of saw there was some pretty nasty stuff in those movies. I personally like good stories in horror movies rather than just tons of unnecessary gore which seems to be really popular now.
Saw (the real ones meaning I and II) is really not about nasty stuff, those are some of the best films i've ever watched. It's about human nature, psychology, mistery, drama.
This centapide thing is just disturbing and disgusting, who needs that seriously?
On October 20 2011 04:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 02:51 Krowser wrote:
On October 20 2011 02:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 01:42 Krowser wrote: Snuff (violent pr0n) is illegal, just as is child pr0n and other forms of very sick and twisted videos.
Human Centipede easily falls into those categories, what baffles me is that the movie is being released in the first place.
Who the fuck is sick and twisted enough to even want to work on a movie like this? I'm sorry but we have reached the limits of human decency.
I got a huge dose of reality in 2010 when I visited a concentration camp in Germany, it really put some perspective of Horror movies (I don't mean scary, I mean Horror) and their psychological value as entertainment.
People are taking this way too lightly.
Edit:
Arguing that this is an issue about freedom of speech falls in the same category as the shortcomings of the justice system, where it's not the truth that wins the case, but rather who can bend the laws of society to their advantage.
I've been to what was apparently a concentration camp for Japanese in the US, and to a couple old concentration camps in Greece from the civil war. It's a bit unnerving being in effectively a massive, cramped prison for non-criminals, but I wouldn't say scary... Horror is like when a cross-faded gangsta points a gun at you. Even if he doesn't want to shoot you, he's so wasted, it may not even matter what he decides. Pretty close call, to say the least.
If people want to watch Human Centipede, then it just shows some people are really into sick and disgusting things. How anyone in on the movie (in particular the planner) could even have decided to be involved in it is abhorrent.
I think what you have visited was a P.O.W camp. Basically a prison for soldiers. I went to Dachau, which was the model/template camp for the extermination of jews and without going into detail, the ones that were shot on the spot were the lucky ones.
I was depressed when I got out of there, but not as depressed as the tour guide himself. It's one thing to hop on Wikipedia and read about it, but it's a whole other experience to actually visit the place and see how ''business was conducted''.
In short: Fucked up.
The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again.
And in the meantime you've got morons making ''entertainment'' out of similar situations.
I am appalled, revolted and disgusted by this whole mess of things.
You forget that allJapanese-American CIVILIANS were put in concentration camps? Also, in Greece, during the civil war, about a million people (out of the total population of like ~6 or 7 million at the time, and all noncombatants, mind you) were put into concentration camps for relocation purposes to move them out of DSE areas. That's pretty hardcore.
Also, I thought Dachau was removed from the list of alleged death camps decades ago. If they told you otherwise, they're obviously pushing a fallacious agenda or are terribly ignorant of what history has already been agreed upon by the victors, mind you. In fact, Dachau was effectively a prison for domestic and foreign political prisoners, prisoners of war, criminals, Jews, and others. No killing or w/e going on there. If anything, it's you who went to a POW camp / prison as a very large percentage of the camp were POWs and criminals. O_o
The only thing that is semi-correct in your assesment is that Dachau does not compare to some other places like Auschwitz. There were different kinds of camps in Nazi Germany. But comparing Japanese-American camps or even Greek civil war camps to the worst Nazi concentration camps is laughable. Or are you one of those Holocaust deniers, or just a person that lives 70 years after the fact and never met anyone who actually was in Oswiecim or Treblinka ?
Holy shit. Stating the very commonly accepted fact that Dachau != death camp means I'm a Holocaust denier? It's called correcting a fallacious statement. Could you be more ridiculously absurd lol? More correct is to say you are terribly sensationalist and irrational for claiming such a thing lol. Holocaust denial means no concentration camp system existed, no internment and suffering of socialists, Slavs, Jews, etc. I said no such thing, not by a long shot. It's like claiming that someone who says the US had mostly bad intentions of going into Iraq is traitorous and un-patriotic, despite I've known a few veterans at that even who said it was a bullshit war. Actually, I've met people who were in the camps. I've heard their stories. Don't assume silly things.
The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again.
This is definately not true. I have been a German soldier myself and we never made a visit to a Concentration and/or extermination camp nor did we specifically talk about that topic.
I think this might have been a misunderstanding. Back in the Nazi-days, every Soldier of the SS-Totenkopf-Verbände (SS-Skull-units), the ones that were responsible for running the camps, had to go through training in Dachau in order to teach them the inhuman ideology of the SS and disregard the prisoners as human. The learnt how to torture and beat up people, their commander's twisted ideology said "Toleranz ist Schwäche", roughly "tolreance means weakness".
Huh, that's interesting... I'm 97% sure he meant today's soldiers.
On October 20 2011 04:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 02:51 Krowser wrote:
On October 20 2011 02:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 01:42 Krowser wrote: Snuff (violent pr0n) is illegal, just as is child pr0n and other forms of very sick and twisted videos.
Human Centipede easily falls into those categories, what baffles me is that the movie is being released in the first place.
Who the fuck is sick and twisted enough to even want to work on a movie like this? I'm sorry but we have reached the limits of human decency.
I got a huge dose of reality in 2010 when I visited a concentration camp in Germany, it really put some perspective of Horror movies (I don't mean scary, I mean Horror) and their psychological value as entertainment.
People are taking this way too lightly.
Edit:
Arguing that this is an issue about freedom of speech falls in the same category as the shortcomings of the justice system, where it's not the truth that wins the case, but rather who can bend the laws of society to their advantage.
I've been to what was apparently a concentration camp for Japanese in the US, and to a couple old concentration camps in Greece from the civil war. It's a bit unnerving being in effectively a massive, cramped prison for non-criminals, but I wouldn't say scary... Horror is like when a cross-faded gangsta points a gun at you. Even if he doesn't want to shoot you, he's so wasted, it may not even matter what he decides. Pretty close call, to say the least.
If people want to watch Human Centipede, then it just shows some people are really into sick and disgusting things. How anyone in on the movie (in particular the planner) could even have decided to be involved in it is abhorrent.
I think what you have visited was a P.O.W camp. Basically a prison for soldiers. I went to Dachau, which was the model/template camp for the extermination of jews and without going into detail, the ones that were shot on the spot were the lucky ones.
I was depressed when I got out of there, but not as depressed as the tour guide himself. It's one thing to hop on Wikipedia and read about it, but it's a whole other experience to actually visit the place and see how ''business was conducted''.
In short: Fucked up.
The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again.
And in the meantime you've got morons making ''entertainment'' out of similar situations.
I am appalled, revolted and disgusted by this whole mess of things.
You forget that allJapanese-American CIVILIANS were put in concentration camps? Also, in Greece, during the civil war, about a million people (out of the total population of like ~6 or 7 million at the time, and all noncombatants, mind you) were put into concentration camps for relocation purposes to move them out of DSE areas. That's pretty hardcore.
Also, I thought Dachau was removed from the list of alleged death camps decades ago. If they told you otherwise, they're obviously pushing a fallacious agenda or are terribly ignorant of what history has already been agreed upon by the victors, mind you. In fact, Dachau was effectively a prison for domestic and foreign political prisoners, prisoners of war, criminals, Jews, and others. No killing or w/e going on there. If anything, it's you who went to a POW camp / prison as a very large percentage of the camp were POWs and criminals. O_o
The only thing that is semi-correct in your assesment is that Dachau does not compare to some other places like Auschwitz. There were different kinds of camps in Nazi Germany. But comparing Japanese-American camps or even Greek civil war camps to the worst Nazi concentration camps is laughable. Or are you one of those Holocaust deniers, or just a person that lives 70 years after the fact and never met anyone who actually was in Oswiecim or Treblinka ?
Holy shit. Stating the very commonly accepted fact that Dachau != death camp means I'm a Holocaust denier? It's called correcting a fallacious statement. Could you be more ridiculously absurd lol? More correct is to say you are terribly sensationalist and irrational for claiming such a thing lol. Holocaust denial means no concentration camp system existed, no internment and suffering of socialists, Slavs, Jews, etc. I said no such thing, not by a long shot. It's like claiming that someone who says the US had mostly bad intentions of going into Iraq is traitorous and un-patriotic, despite I've known a few veterans at that even who said it was a bullshit war. Actually, I've met people who were in the camps. I've heard their stories. Don't assume silly things.
Commonly accepted?? By whom? Where are your sources? If you're going to make claims that a known concentration camp wasn't actually one you should include a reference or else you shouldn't be surprised that people don't believe you. This is a very sensitive subject.
In any case you seem more interested in bashing people and arguing about details than actually contributing to the discussing, come back when you've calmed down.
On October 20 2011 04:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 02:51 Krowser wrote:
On October 20 2011 02:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 01:42 Krowser wrote: Snuff (violent pr0n) is illegal, just as is child pr0n and other forms of very sick and twisted videos.
Human Centipede easily falls into those categories, what baffles me is that the movie is being released in the first place.
Who the fuck is sick and twisted enough to even want to work on a movie like this? I'm sorry but we have reached the limits of human decency.
I got a huge dose of reality in 2010 when I visited a concentration camp in Germany, it really put some perspective of Horror movies (I don't mean scary, I mean Horror) and their psychological value as entertainment.
People are taking this way too lightly.
Edit:
Arguing that this is an issue about freedom of speech falls in the same category as the shortcomings of the justice system, where it's not the truth that wins the case, but rather who can bend the laws of society to their advantage.
I've been to what was apparently a concentration camp for Japanese in the US, and to a couple old concentration camps in Greece from the civil war. It's a bit unnerving being in effectively a massive, cramped prison for non-criminals, but I wouldn't say scary... Horror is like when a cross-faded gangsta points a gun at you. Even if he doesn't want to shoot you, he's so wasted, it may not even matter what he decides. Pretty close call, to say the least.
If people want to watch Human Centipede, then it just shows some people are really into sick and disgusting things. How anyone in on the movie (in particular the planner) could even have decided to be involved in it is abhorrent.
I think what you have visited was a P.O.W camp. Basically a prison for soldiers. I went to Dachau, which was the model/template camp for the extermination of jews and without going into detail, the ones that were shot on the spot were the lucky ones.
I was depressed when I got out of there, but not as depressed as the tour guide himself. It's one thing to hop on Wikipedia and read about it, but it's a whole other experience to actually visit the place and see how ''business was conducted''.
In short: Fucked up.
The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again.
And in the meantime you've got morons making ''entertainment'' out of similar situations.
I am appalled, revolted and disgusted by this whole mess of things.
You forget that allJapanese-American CIVILIANS were put in concentration camps? Also, in Greece, during the civil war, about a million people (out of the total population of like ~6 or 7 million at the time, and all noncombatants, mind you) were put into concentration camps for relocation purposes to move them out of DSE areas. That's pretty hardcore.
Also, I thought Dachau was removed from the list of alleged death camps decades ago. If they told you otherwise, they're obviously pushing a fallacious agenda or are terribly ignorant of what history has already been agreed upon by the victors, mind you. In fact, Dachau was effectively a prison for domestic and foreign political prisoners, prisoners of war, criminals, Jews, and others. No killing or w/e going on there. If anything, it's you who went to a POW camp / prison as a very large percentage of the camp were POWs and criminals. O_o
The only thing that is semi-correct in your assesment is that Dachau does not compare to some other places like Auschwitz. There were different kinds of camps in Nazi Germany. But comparing Japanese-American camps or even Greek civil war camps to the worst Nazi concentration camps is laughable. Or are you one of those Holocaust deniers, or just a person that lives 70 years after the fact and never met anyone who actually was in Oswiecim or Treblinka ?
Holy shit. Stating the very commonly accepted fact that Dachau != death camp means I'm a Holocaust denier? It's called correcting a fallacious statement. Could you be more ridiculously absurd lol? More correct is to say you are terribly sensationalist and irrational for claiming such a thing lol. Holocaust denial means no concentration camp system existed, no internment and suffering of socialists, Slavs, Jews, etc. I said no such thing, not by a long shot. It's like claiming that someone who says the US had mostly bad intentions of going into Iraq is traitorous and un-patriotic, despite I've known a few veterans at that even who said it was a bullshit war. Actually, I've met people who were in the camps. I've heard their stories. Don't assume silly things.
See my edit to my post that I wrote in response to your edit.
On October 20 2011 04:45 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 04:38 mcc wrote:
On October 20 2011 04:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 02:51 Krowser wrote:
On October 20 2011 02:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 01:42 Krowser wrote: Snuff (violent pr0n) is illegal, just as is child pr0n and other forms of very sick and twisted videos.
Human Centipede easily falls into those categories, what baffles me is that the movie is being released in the first place.
Who the fuck is sick and twisted enough to even want to work on a movie like this? I'm sorry but we have reached the limits of human decency.
I got a huge dose of reality in 2010 when I visited a concentration camp in Germany, it really put some perspective of Horror movies (I don't mean scary, I mean Horror) and their psychological value as entertainment.
People are taking this way too lightly.
Edit:
Arguing that this is an issue about freedom of speech falls in the same category as the shortcomings of the justice system, where it's not the truth that wins the case, but rather who can bend the laws of society to their advantage.
I've been to what was apparently a concentration camp for Japanese in the US, and to a couple old concentration camps in Greece from the civil war. It's a bit unnerving being in effectively a massive, cramped prison for non-criminals, but I wouldn't say scary... Horror is like when a cross-faded gangsta points a gun at you. Even if he doesn't want to shoot you, he's so wasted, it may not even matter what he decides. Pretty close call, to say the least.
If people want to watch Human Centipede, then it just shows some people are really into sick and disgusting things. How anyone in on the movie (in particular the planner) could even have decided to be involved in it is abhorrent.
I think what you have visited was a P.O.W camp. Basically a prison for soldiers. I went to Dachau, which was the model/template camp for the extermination of jews and without going into detail, the ones that were shot on the spot were the lucky ones.
I was depressed when I got out of there, but not as depressed as the tour guide himself. It's one thing to hop on Wikipedia and read about it, but it's a whole other experience to actually visit the place and see how ''business was conducted''.
In short: Fucked up.
The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again.
And in the meantime you've got morons making ''entertainment'' out of similar situations.
I am appalled, revolted and disgusted by this whole mess of things.
You forget that allJapanese-American CIVILIANS were put in concentration camps? Also, in Greece, during the civil war, about a million people (out of the total population of like ~6 or 7 million at the time, and all noncombatants, mind you) were put into concentration camps for relocation purposes to move them out of DSE areas. That's pretty hardcore.
Also, I thought Dachau was removed from the list of alleged death camps decades ago. If they told you otherwise, they're obviously pushing a fallacious agenda or are terribly ignorant of what history has already been agreed upon by the victors, mind you. In fact, Dachau was effectively a prison for domestic and foreign political prisoners, prisoners of war, criminals, Jews, and others. No killing or w/e going on there. If anything, it's you who went to a POW camp / prison as a very large percentage of the camp were POWs and criminals. O_o
The only thing that is semi-correct in your assesment is that Dachau does not compare to some other places like Auschwitz. There were different kinds of camps in Nazi Germany. But comparing Japanese-American camps or even Greek civil war camps to the worst Nazi concentration camps is laughable. Or are you one of those Holocaust deniers, or just a person that lives 70 years after the fact and never met anyone who actually was in Oswiecim or Treblinka ?
Holy shit. Stating the very commonly accepted fact that Dachau != death camp means I'm a Holocaust denier? It's called correcting a fallacious statement. Could you be more ridiculously absurd lol? More correct is to say you are terribly sensationalist and irrational for claiming such a thing lol. Holocaust denial means no concentration camp system existed, no internment and suffering of socialists, Slavs, Jews, etc. I said no such thing, not by a long shot. It's like claiming that someone who says the US had mostly bad intentions of going into Iraq is traitorous and un-patriotic, despite I've known a few veterans at that even who said it was a bullshit war. Actually, I've met people who were in the camps. I've heard their stories. Don't assume silly things.
Commonly accepted?? By whom? Where are your sources?
In any case you seem more interested in bashing people and arguing about details than actually contributing to the discussing, come back when you've calmed down.
You really do not know some simple WW2 history?
You're coming across as being as ignorant as the few folks who still claim there were WMDs or Al Qaeda links to the iraqi govt. in Iraq. Commonly accepted that there aren't?? By whom? Where are your sources? You sound almost like they do, quite sadly. Seeing comments like that for some reason make me think of Glenn Beck. "Evil underground conspirational socialists aren't taking over America you say? This is madness you utter!" The cause and effect (conspiracy theory, to put it more properly) are so disconnected you just want to put your face in your hands and drink a shot.
Are you going to continue to deny facts, or will you finally resort to logic and reason?
Btw, the difference between a place being used to kill people, or prison camp holding mostly POWs and criminals and political prisoners is a pretty huge detail. Stating otherwise is extremely irrational.
On October 20 2011 04:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 02:51 Krowser wrote:
On October 20 2011 02:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 01:42 Krowser wrote: Snuff (violent pr0n) is illegal, just as is child pr0n and other forms of very sick and twisted videos.
Human Centipede easily falls into those categories, what baffles me is that the movie is being released in the first place.
Who the fuck is sick and twisted enough to even want to work on a movie like this? I'm sorry but we have reached the limits of human decency.
I got a huge dose of reality in 2010 when I visited a concentration camp in Germany, it really put some perspective of Horror movies (I don't mean scary, I mean Horror) and their psychological value as entertainment.
People are taking this way too lightly.
Edit:
Arguing that this is an issue about freedom of speech falls in the same category as the shortcomings of the justice system, where it's not the truth that wins the case, but rather who can bend the laws of society to their advantage.
I've been to what was apparently a concentration camp for Japanese in the US, and to a couple old concentration camps in Greece from the civil war. It's a bit unnerving being in effectively a massive, cramped prison for non-criminals, but I wouldn't say scary... Horror is like when a cross-faded gangsta points a gun at you. Even if he doesn't want to shoot you, he's so wasted, it may not even matter what he decides. Pretty close call, to say the least.
If people want to watch Human Centipede, then it just shows some people are really into sick and disgusting things. How anyone in on the movie (in particular the planner) could even have decided to be involved in it is abhorrent.
I think what you have visited was a P.O.W camp. Basically a prison for soldiers. I went to Dachau, which was the model/template camp for the extermination of jews and without going into detail, the ones that were shot on the spot were the lucky ones.
I was depressed when I got out of there, but not as depressed as the tour guide himself. It's one thing to hop on Wikipedia and read about it, but it's a whole other experience to actually visit the place and see how ''business was conducted''.
In short: Fucked up.
The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again.
And in the meantime you've got morons making ''entertainment'' out of similar situations.
I am appalled, revolted and disgusted by this whole mess of things.
You forget that allJapanese-American CIVILIANS were put in concentration camps? Also, in Greece, during the civil war, about a million people (out of the total population of like ~6 or 7 million at the time, and all noncombatants, mind you) were put into concentration camps for relocation purposes to move them out of DSE areas. That's pretty hardcore.
Also, I thought Dachau was removed from the list of alleged death camps decades ago. If they told you otherwise, they're obviously pushing a fallacious agenda or are terribly ignorant of what history has already been agreed upon by the victors, mind you. In fact, Dachau was effectively a prison for domestic and foreign political prisoners, prisoners of war, criminals, Jews, and others. No killing or w/e going on there. If anything, it's you who went to a POW camp / prison as a very large percentage of the camp were POWs and criminals. O_o
The only thing that is semi-correct in your assesment is that Dachau does not compare to some other places like Auschwitz. There were different kinds of camps in Nazi Germany. But comparing Japanese-American camps or even Greek civil war camps to the worst Nazi concentration camps is laughable. Or are you one of those Holocaust deniers, or just a person that lives 70 years after the fact and never met anyone who actually was in Oswiecim or Treblinka ?
ROFL, I love tools like you. Bet you're one of the kids who had a school trip to Treblinka and now they're all mad whenever someone even slightly implies that humanity has done other (or worse) atrocities than the Holocaust. Imprisonating people solely because of their Japanese descent? "ah guys, that's laughable, lolol". Armenian genocide? "nah u silly armenians we dont care were too busy talking about holocaust". Gulags? "fuk u guise have u ever talked to anyone who was in teh concentration camp??" News flash for you - every death or an imprisonment of an innocent person is equally horrible. Seriously, people like you are the reason why holocaust deniers actually have listeners for their bullshit.
On October 20 2011 04:45 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 04:38 mcc wrote:
On October 20 2011 04:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 02:51 Krowser wrote:
On October 20 2011 02:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 01:42 Krowser wrote: Snuff (violent pr0n) is illegal, just as is child pr0n and other forms of very sick and twisted videos.
Human Centipede easily falls into those categories, what baffles me is that the movie is being released in the first place.
Who the fuck is sick and twisted enough to even want to work on a movie like this? I'm sorry but we have reached the limits of human decency.
I got a huge dose of reality in 2010 when I visited a concentration camp in Germany, it really put some perspective of Horror movies (I don't mean scary, I mean Horror) and their psychological value as entertainment.
People are taking this way too lightly.
Edit:
Arguing that this is an issue about freedom of speech falls in the same category as the shortcomings of the justice system, where it's not the truth that wins the case, but rather who can bend the laws of society to their advantage.
I've been to what was apparently a concentration camp for Japanese in the US, and to a couple old concentration camps in Greece from the civil war. It's a bit unnerving being in effectively a massive, cramped prison for non-criminals, but I wouldn't say scary... Horror is like when a cross-faded gangsta points a gun at you. Even if he doesn't want to shoot you, he's so wasted, it may not even matter what he decides. Pretty close call, to say the least.
If people want to watch Human Centipede, then it just shows some people are really into sick and disgusting things. How anyone in on the movie (in particular the planner) could even have decided to be involved in it is abhorrent.
I think what you have visited was a P.O.W camp. Basically a prison for soldiers. I went to Dachau, which was the model/template camp for the extermination of jews and without going into detail, the ones that were shot on the spot were the lucky ones.
I was depressed when I got out of there, but not as depressed as the tour guide himself. It's one thing to hop on Wikipedia and read about it, but it's a whole other experience to actually visit the place and see how ''business was conducted''.
In short: Fucked up.
The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again.
And in the meantime you've got morons making ''entertainment'' out of similar situations.
I am appalled, revolted and disgusted by this whole mess of things.
You forget that allJapanese-American CIVILIANS were put in concentration camps? Also, in Greece, during the civil war, about a million people (out of the total population of like ~6 or 7 million at the time, and all noncombatants, mind you) were put into concentration camps for relocation purposes to move them out of DSE areas. That's pretty hardcore.
Also, I thought Dachau was removed from the list of alleged death camps decades ago. If they told you otherwise, they're obviously pushing a fallacious agenda or are terribly ignorant of what history has already been agreed upon by the victors, mind you. In fact, Dachau was effectively a prison for domestic and foreign political prisoners, prisoners of war, criminals, Jews, and others. No killing or w/e going on there. If anything, it's you who went to a POW camp / prison as a very large percentage of the camp were POWs and criminals. O_o
The only thing that is semi-correct in your assesment is that Dachau does not compare to some other places like Auschwitz. There were different kinds of camps in Nazi Germany. But comparing Japanese-American camps or even Greek civil war camps to the worst Nazi concentration camps is laughable. Or are you one of those Holocaust deniers, or just a person that lives 70 years after the fact and never met anyone who actually was in Oswiecim or Treblinka ?
Holy shit. Stating the very commonly accepted fact that Dachau != death camp means I'm a Holocaust denier? It's called correcting a fallacious statement. Could you be more ridiculously absurd lol? More correct is to say you are terribly sensationalist and irrational for claiming such a thing lol. Holocaust denial means no concentration camp system existed, no internment and suffering of socialists, Slavs, Jews, etc. I said no such thing, not by a long shot. It's like claiming that someone who says the US had mostly bad intentions of going into Iraq is traitorous and un-patriotic, despite I've known a few veterans at that even who said it was a bullshit war. Actually, I've met people who were in the camps. I've heard their stories. Don't assume silly things.
Commonly accepted?? By whom? Where are your sources?
In any case you seem more interested in bashing people and arguing about details than actually contributing to the discussing, come back when you've calmed down.
You really do not know some simple WW2 history?
You're coming across as being as ignorant as the few folks who still claim there were WMDs or Al Qaeda links to the iraqi govt. in Iraq. Commonly accepted that there aren't?? By whom? Where are your sources? You sound almost like they do.
Are you going to continue to deny facts, or will you finally resort to logic and reason?
Btw, the difference between a place being used to kill people, or prison camp holding mostly POWs and criminals and political prisoners is a pretty huge detail. Stating otherwise is extremely irrational.
Still does not change the fact that you actually did not correct anything in your reaction as he did not say anything about Dachau being death camp. You original reaction had basically nothing to do with what he wrote and the only thing you said was that concentration camps were just somewhat scary and nothing terrible, which is somewhat subjective, but for most people your statement would be false.
On October 20 2011 04:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 02:51 Krowser wrote:
On October 20 2011 02:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 01:42 Krowser wrote: Snuff (violent pr0n) is illegal, just as is child pr0n and other forms of very sick and twisted videos.
Human Centipede easily falls into those categories, what baffles me is that the movie is being released in the first place.
Who the fuck is sick and twisted enough to even want to work on a movie like this? I'm sorry but we have reached the limits of human decency.
I got a huge dose of reality in 2010 when I visited a concentration camp in Germany, it really put some perspective of Horror movies (I don't mean scary, I mean Horror) and their psychological value as entertainment.
People are taking this way too lightly.
Edit:
Arguing that this is an issue about freedom of speech falls in the same category as the shortcomings of the justice system, where it's not the truth that wins the case, but rather who can bend the laws of society to their advantage.
I've been to what was apparently a concentration camp for Japanese in the US, and to a couple old concentration camps in Greece from the civil war. It's a bit unnerving being in effectively a massive, cramped prison for non-criminals, but I wouldn't say scary... Horror is like when a cross-faded gangsta points a gun at you. Even if he doesn't want to shoot you, he's so wasted, it may not even matter what he decides. Pretty close call, to say the least.
If people want to watch Human Centipede, then it just shows some people are really into sick and disgusting things. How anyone in on the movie (in particular the planner) could even have decided to be involved in it is abhorrent.
I think what you have visited was a P.O.W camp. Basically a prison for soldiers. I went to Dachau, which was the model/template camp for the extermination of jews and without going into detail, the ones that were shot on the spot were the lucky ones.
I was depressed when I got out of there, but not as depressed as the tour guide himself. It's one thing to hop on Wikipedia and read about it, but it's a whole other experience to actually visit the place and see how ''business was conducted''.
In short: Fucked up.
The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again.
And in the meantime you've got morons making ''entertainment'' out of similar situations.
I am appalled, revolted and disgusted by this whole mess of things.
You forget that allJapanese-American CIVILIANS were put in concentration camps? Also, in Greece, during the civil war, about a million people (out of the total population of like ~6 or 7 million at the time, and all noncombatants, mind you) were put into concentration camps for relocation purposes to move them out of DSE areas. That's pretty hardcore.
Also, I thought Dachau was removed from the list of alleged death camps decades ago. If they told you otherwise, they're obviously pushing a fallacious agenda or are terribly ignorant of what history has already been agreed upon by the victors, mind you. In fact, Dachau was effectively a prison for domestic and foreign political prisoners, prisoners of war, criminals, Jews, and others. No killing or w/e going on there. If anything, it's you who went to a POW camp / prison as a very large percentage of the camp were POWs and criminals. O_o
The only thing that is semi-correct in your assesment is that Dachau does not compare to some other places like Auschwitz. There were different kinds of camps in Nazi Germany. But comparing Japanese-American camps or even Greek civil war camps to the worst Nazi concentration camps is laughable. Or are you one of those Holocaust deniers, or just a person that lives 70 years after the fact and never met anyone who actually was in Oswiecim or Treblinka ?
ROFL, I love tools like you. Bet you're one of the kids who had a school trip to Treblinka and now they're all mad whenever someone even slightly implies that humanity has done other (or worse) atrocities than the Holocaust. Imprisonating people solely because of their Japanese descent? "ah guys, that's laughable, lolol". Armenian genocide? "nah u silly armenians we dont care were too busy talking about holocaust". Gulags? "fuk u guise have u ever talked to anyone who was in teh concentration camp??" News flash for you - every death or an imprisonment of an innocent person is equally horrible. Seriously, people like you are the reason why holocaust deniers actually have listeners for their bullshit.
Well for you imprisonment of innocent people is maybe equally horrible to their extermination. Not for me. Also I love how your arguments are just pure misrepresentation of what I said (it is also called lying). Where did I say that American concentration camps were laughing matter ? Please show me, I said that the comparison is laughable. I understand in the light of your last statement that you cannot distinguish any degrees of severity, cruelty and suffering and so you do not get what I mean by saying that comparison is laughable. Just to add to the list of your misrepresentations, I never said that there were never worse atrocities than Holocaust, I said not a word about Armenian genocide or gulags. But please continue.
On October 20 2011 04:58 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 04:51 Krowser wrote:
On October 20 2011 04:45 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 04:38 mcc wrote:
On October 20 2011 04:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 02:51 Krowser wrote:
On October 20 2011 02:03 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On October 20 2011 01:42 Krowser wrote: Snuff (violent pr0n) is illegal, just as is child pr0n and other forms of very sick and twisted videos.
Human Centipede easily falls into those categories, what baffles me is that the movie is being released in the first place.
Who the fuck is sick and twisted enough to even want to work on a movie like this? I'm sorry but we have reached the limits of human decency.
I got a huge dose of reality in 2010 when I visited a concentration camp in Germany, it really put some perspective of Horror movies (I don't mean scary, I mean Horror) and their psychological value as entertainment.
People are taking this way too lightly.
Edit:
Arguing that this is an issue about freedom of speech falls in the same category as the shortcomings of the justice system, where it's not the truth that wins the case, but rather who can bend the laws of society to their advantage.
I've been to what was apparently a concentration camp for Japanese in the US, and to a couple old concentration camps in Greece from the civil war. It's a bit unnerving being in effectively a massive, cramped prison for non-criminals, but I wouldn't say scary... Horror is like when a cross-faded gangsta points a gun at you. Even if he doesn't want to shoot you, he's so wasted, it may not even matter what he decides. Pretty close call, to say the least.
If people want to watch Human Centipede, then it just shows some people are really into sick and disgusting things. How anyone in on the movie (in particular the planner) could even have decided to be involved in it is abhorrent.
I think what you have visited was a P.O.W camp. Basically a prison for soldiers. I went to Dachau, which was the model/template camp for the extermination of jews and without going into detail, the ones that were shot on the spot were the lucky ones.
I was depressed when I got out of there, but not as depressed as the tour guide himself. It's one thing to hop on Wikipedia and read about it, but it's a whole other experience to actually visit the place and see how ''business was conducted''.
In short: Fucked up.
The tour guide told me that every German soldier has to go through a very thorough visit of concentration camps, much more detailed that what I got, just to ensure that this kind of crap never happens again.
And in the meantime you've got morons making ''entertainment'' out of similar situations.
I am appalled, revolted and disgusted by this whole mess of things.
You forget that allJapanese-American CIVILIANS were put in concentration camps? Also, in Greece, during the civil war, about a million people (out of the total population of like ~6 or 7 million at the time, and all noncombatants, mind you) were put into concentration camps for relocation purposes to move them out of DSE areas. That's pretty hardcore.
Also, I thought Dachau was removed from the list of alleged death camps decades ago. If they told you otherwise, they're obviously pushing a fallacious agenda or are terribly ignorant of what history has already been agreed upon by the victors, mind you. In fact, Dachau was effectively a prison for domestic and foreign political prisoners, prisoners of war, criminals, Jews, and others. No killing or w/e going on there. If anything, it's you who went to a POW camp / prison as a very large percentage of the camp were POWs and criminals. O_o
The only thing that is semi-correct in your assesment is that Dachau does not compare to some other places like Auschwitz. There were different kinds of camps in Nazi Germany. But comparing Japanese-American camps or even Greek civil war camps to the worst Nazi concentration camps is laughable. Or are you one of those Holocaust deniers, or just a person that lives 70 years after the fact and never met anyone who actually was in Oswiecim or Treblinka ?
Holy shit. Stating the very commonly accepted fact that Dachau != death camp means I'm a Holocaust denier? It's called correcting a fallacious statement. Could you be more ridiculously absurd lol? More correct is to say you are terribly sensationalist and irrational for claiming such a thing lol. Holocaust denial means no concentration camp system existed, no internment and suffering of socialists, Slavs, Jews, etc. I said no such thing, not by a long shot. It's like claiming that someone who says the US had mostly bad intentions of going into Iraq is traitorous and un-patriotic, despite I've known a few veterans at that even who said it was a bullshit war. Actually, I've met people who were in the camps. I've heard their stories. Don't assume silly things.
Commonly accepted?? By whom? Where are your sources?
In any case you seem more interested in bashing people and arguing about details than actually contributing to the discussing, come back when you've calmed down.
You really do not know some simple WW2 history?
You're coming across as being as ignorant as the few folks who still claim there were WMDs or Al Qaeda links to the iraqi govt. in Iraq. Commonly accepted that there aren't?? By whom? Where are your sources? You sound almost like they do.
Are you going to continue to deny facts, or will you finally resort to logic and reason?
Btw, the difference between a place being used to kill people, or prison camp holding mostly POWs and criminals and political prisoners is a pretty huge detail. Stating otherwise is extremely irrational.
Still does not change the fact that you actually did not correct anything in your reaction as he did not say anything about Dachau being death camp. You original reaction had basically nothing to do with what he wrote and the only thing you said was that concentration camps were just somewhat scary and nothing terrible, which is somewhat subjective, but for most people your statement would be false.
No, Krowser was denying the fact that Dachau wasn't a death camp. When I stated that it was not, he replied with: "Commonly accepted?? By whom? Where are your sources?" Reading comprehension tells me he was rejected my statement that Dachau was not a killing camp. I stated it was a concentration camp, and unlike what the original person I replied to said, had a very large POW population, unlike the US/Greek camps he assumes I've visited in the past which were entirely civilians, if anything.
So yes, I did correct Krowser. I don't see how I did not.
I'll tell you at least in part why it's subjective (for people who were not in the camps, of course for the people who suffered through the horror of the process of the relocation to and suffering in the camps will believe it's the worst thing ever and I full support them in that view since they lived through it). andycz put it pretty well imo. For most people in USA and western Europe, only the German concentration camps are terrible because it was ingrained that they were the utmost horror in the history of the world. I was essentially educated the same way, while things like the near-extermination of the Native Americans, and slavery were kind of washed aside like not a big deal. If those concentration camps had been given as little attention as say the US concentration camps, Italian camps, Soviet camps, Greek camps, Japanese camps, just within WW2 and the aftermath of WW2, not to mention other atrocities besides concentration camps, I believe there would be only some more horror attributed to it than other ones, not an exponential degree greater as it is.
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