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On June 05 2011 16:33 gchan wrote:
Wow, I'm really surprised by the animosity towards the boy's parent. I think she responded appropriately, and it wasn't simply because it was her son rather than her daughter (as many TLers are implying). From her statement, you can clearly tell that she thought it was wrong. The implication I got was that she didn't want to use the legal system to teach responsibility and right/wrong, but rather, she thought it should be something taught by parents. I think the response of a lot of TLers wanting to sue, calling for jailtime, etc is way overblown. This over reliance on a legalist society takes the responsibility of right/wrong from the individuals and instead puts the responsibility on the legal system. And in my opinion, this is absolutely the wrong path to go down, as a society.
If your kids are already doing stuff like this, I don't the parents are the ideal source of discipline and values
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I have a lot of friends on Facebook with girls around the age 13-16 and they are so emo. They constantly type statuses about hating males and how "they hurt them" because a 14 year old boy said they will love them forever.
These girls will take their rage out on males forever and get away with it because they are female, and they are weaker than males.
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On June 06 2011 01:49 -Jacob- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 14:46 Sephy69 wrote:
Don't know what's wrong with the mother, but people these days are just too nice. I would have hated my mother and given her shit for a long time if she didn't press charges. I agree and disagree. Say if this would have happened 15 years ago, letting the parents deal with a situation like this would have been way better than the law getting involved. Now, no one punishes their kids like they used to only way to handle situations like these is to turn to the law.
Um, isn't that entirely specific to the particular family? Some parents might let their kids get away with something like this without any significant punishment, but I think that the vast majority would not.
EDIT: Actually I have no idea about the area this occurred in, I spose if it was a shit hole place I guess it'd be different.
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On June 05 2011 14:55 jaybee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2011 14:51 Kinetik_Inferno wrote:On June 05 2011 14:48 jaybee wrote:
Dang I wish that happened to me rofl. No, but seriously, it's kinda pathetic to be bullied by girls LOL. The weak always get bulled; its Nature's way. Still, bullied by girls hahahaha!! just man the boy up for a lil while and he will be fine. Would you consider yourself "fine" if you were abused like that and your humiliation was put on YouTube, for the whole wide world to see? All your enemies and friends alike would have something else to tease you about, which has varying extremities, depending on his current social status. You said if it happened to you that you would work to make the lives of the girls a living hell. It would be hypocritical to call bullying immoral and torturing moral by your standards. If I was bullied by girls I would admit that I am a pathetic man. I would also be wise enough to know that there is a way out it. Bullying happens for a reason, and all social animals do it. It is because you are weak and instead of getting 'revenge' try and become stronger so it never happens again.
I know you're banned and you won't be able to post anything in response but I meant that I would use every shred of legal I had and every ounce of sympathy to make sure the girls suffer legal charges. I didn't mean that I would physically or socially bully them. I think I would speak with the principal or a judge and make sure the girls were punished, and harshly.
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Some of the people in this thread sicken me even more than the girls in the video. Custody for the child should be removed from the boys mother, i cant believe she just says "i want these girls parents to do something about it", jesus fucking christ how is that even a coherent statement, in my eyes she is just as bad parent as the ones from the girls.
But i guess im just being naive wanting people to be reasonable and generally smart.
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This is a cruel story but you absolutly cant compare that to if the gender were opposite.
With males doing this there would be a sexual intention behind it, that gives the thing another dimension.
Besides the feelings and the possible trauma is completely diffrent. A girl in that case is would be defenseless in case the boys would force sex. A total violation of body and soul.
14 year old girls doing this not even wont (in most cases) have the intention to do this, they actually wont physically not be able to force sex of this boy.
Beeing in the situation where someone else with a sexual intention can force sex with you is completely diffrent than a cruel emberrasing prank. Please dont compare that.
I remember when i was younger at one of my first partys (about 13 years old) some girls pulled down the pants of a boy while he was dancing, he was so embarrassed he started crying and went home. Sure what the girls did here is more cruel but still closer to a prank than to a major sex-crime.
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On June 06 2011 02:09 King[Neikos] wrote:
Some of the people in this thread sicken me even more than the girls in the video. Custody for the child should be removed from the boys mother, i cant believe she just says "i want these girls parents to do something about it", jesus fucking christ how is that even a coherent statement, in my eyes she is just as bad parent as the ones from the girls.
But i guess im just being naive wanting people to be reasonable and generally smart.
Do you understand that different people have different perspectives on things?
Why can you not respect her decision, just because it's not what you would do does not make it inherently wrong. Neither response would be ~smart~, they're just different paths to go down.
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On June 06 2011 02:10 esperanto wrote:
This is a cruel story but you absolutly cant compare that to if the gender were opposite.
With males doing this there would be a sexual intention behind it, that gives the thing another dimension.
Besides the feelings and the possible trauma is completely diffrent. A girl in that case is would be defenseless in case the boys would force sex. A total violation of body and soul.
14 year old girls doing this not even wont (in most cases) have the intention to do this, they actually wont physically not be able to force sex of this boy.
Beeing in the situation where someone else with a sexual intention can force sex with you is completely diffrent than a cruel emberrasing prank. Please dont compare that.
I remember when i was younger at one of my first partys (about 13 years old) some girls pulled down the pants of a boy while he was dancing, he was so embarrassed he started crying and went home. Sure what the girls did here is more cruel but still closer to a prank than to a major sex-crime.
So what you're saying is that whatever a male does, its for sex. If I depants a girl, its because I want to have sex with her right there on the spot?
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On June 06 2011 02:10 esperanto wrote:
This is a cruel story but you absolutly cant compare that to if the gender were opposite.
With males doing this there would be a sexual intention behind it, that gives the thing another dimension.
Besides the feelings and the possible trauma is completely diffrent. A girl in that case is would be defenseless in case the boys would force sex. A total violation of body and soul.
14 year old girls doing this not even wont (in most cases) have the intention to do this, they actually wont physically not be able to force sex of this boy.
Beeing in the situation where someone else with a sexual intention can force sex with you is completely diffrent than a cruel emberrasing prank. Please dont compare that.
Strap-ons exist, tho obviously it seems rather on the unlikely side that they would use one, just pointing out that its not at all impossible. Plus, wasnt there some fucked up russian girl who force fed a would-be-robber viagra after tying him up at gunpoint, and proceeded to rape him a bunch of times? Something like that is what I remember, there was a thread on TL. At least that guy had it SORT OF coming, with trying to rob her in the first place.
I remember when i was younger at one of my first partys (about 13 years old) some girls pulled down the pants of a boy while he was dancing, he was so embarrassed he started crying and went home. Sure what the girls did here is more cruel but still closer to a prank than to a major sex-crime.
Your situation would not have been a sex-crime regardless of genders of people involved tho, its bad but a lot more harmless than what the girls in this case did (i have no idea if it should be classified as assault or sexual assault since I know jackshit about what qualifies as what under the law).
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On June 06 2011 02:16 Phenny wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 02:09 King[Neikos] wrote:
Some of the people in this thread sicken me even more than the girls in the video. Custody for the child should be removed from the boys mother, i cant believe she just says "i want these girls parents to do something about it", jesus fucking christ how is that even a coherent statement, in my eyes she is just as bad parent as the ones from the girls.
But i guess im just being naive wanting people to be reasonable and generally smart. Do you understand that different people have different perspectives on things? Why can you not respect her decision, just because it's not what you would do does not make it inherently wrong. Neither response would be ~smart~, they're just different paths to go down.
Ye some dumb kids do something stupid, let's ruin their entire lives over it.... Pretty obvious the mom did the right thing there. The boy will be fine, plenty of stupid embarassing shit like that happens to kids all over the world, only thing that was so special here is that it hit the interwebs.
Fact that they were trying to steal his clothes doesn't instantly imply sex crime either. It's only a sex crime if there's sex involved !
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A woman is raped every minute in this country, and you guys flip your shit over this story.
Wow.
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Something like this happened to me when i was 11-12 years old,, i felt like such a boss.. I never got the blowjob i asked for though.
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Just to clarify I don't really advocate either the mother's choice or the press charges solution over the other, I can see pros and cons for each, it would be a hard decision to make.
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On June 06 2011 01:40 teh_longinator wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 01:35 pedduck wrote:
Must be hard for 11 year old kid to get that. I would take a beat from 3 older guy that to get that from 3 girl. Yeah. How dare that boy not appreciate being stripped down while being attacked. Horrible parenting, and I think those girls should all be tracked down, shoved into a dark alley, and shown how much THEY would like it if they were stripped down while someone's buddy filmed. I would be a completely different situation... Wouldn't it -_-
On June 06 2011 01:22 BushidoSnipr wrote:
thats fucking sick. If that were me id fucking find those chicks and beat the shit out of them.
Theres so much repressed teen angst in this thread its sick. I feel like we should all just forget about the news clip entirely and talk each other through our mommy issues.
Seriously, I want everyone here who's so angry over this story they feel 3 middle school girls should be dragged in a dark alley stripped and/or beaten, to remember they are not 12 years old and remember there's a whole industry of health care professionals licensed by the state to help you process your rage before you misplace it on some little girl walking home from day care
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On June 06 2011 02:10 esperanto wrote:
This is a cruel story but you absolutly cant compare that to if the gender were opposite.
With males doing this there would be a sexual intention behind it, that gives the thing another dimension.
Besides the feelings and the possible trauma is completely diffrent. A girl in that case is would be defenseless in case the boys would force sex. A total violation of body and soul.
14 year old girls doing this not even wont (in most cases) have the intention to do this, they actually wont physically not be able to force sex of this boy.
Beeing in the situation where someone else with a sexual intention can force sex with you is completely diffrent than a cruel emberrasing prank. Please dont compare that.
I remember when i was younger at one of my first partys (about 13 years old) some girls pulled down the pants of a boy while he was dancing, he was so embarrassed he started crying and went home. Sure what the girls did here is more cruel but still closer to a prank than to a major sex-crime.
You are exemplifying the double standard we're complaining about. What grounds do you have to say that "if males were doing this there would be a sexual intention behind it"? You're presuming on the intentions of hypothetical people, based strictly on your prejudiced opinion. You're also exculpating the girls based on the same prejudice.
Forget that the aggressors are girls and the victim is a boy, it is completely irrelevant. 3 older kids attacked and publicly humiliated a younger kid, then put videos of it on the internet to further humiliate the kid.
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I honestly cannot fathom why someone would do this to another person? By 14 years old, you should be smart enough to realize that you don't do this to another person, no matter who or where they are!
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On June 06 2011 02:16 Blardy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 02:10 esperanto wrote:
This is a cruel story but you absolutly cant compare that to if the gender were opposite.
With males doing this there would be a sexual intention behind it, that gives the thing another dimension.
Besides the feelings and the possible trauma is completely diffrent. A girl in that case is would be defenseless in case the boys would force sex. A total violation of body and soul.
14 year old girls doing this not even wont (in most cases) have the intention to do this, they actually wont physically not be able to force sex of this boy.
Beeing in the situation where someone else with a sexual intention can force sex with you is completely diffrent than a cruel emberrasing prank. Please dont compare that.
I remember when i was younger at one of my first partys (about 13 years old) some girls pulled down the pants of a boy while he was dancing, he was so embarrassed he started crying and went home. Sure what the girls did here is more cruel but still closer to a prank than to a major sex-crime. So what you're saying is that whatever a male does, its for sex. If I depants a girl, its because I want to have sex with her right there on the spot?
The reason sex-crimes even on a "low" level are punished hard is the the psychological trauma on the victims side for even beeing in this situation where forced sex is possible. Its about the victims side.
In this case a sexual intention is unlikely even from the boys point of view. (Jinro I dont think the boy thought of strap-ons in this situations ^^ )
In german law terms what the girls did (if I was the judge and had to go after this case) could be charged with "Nötigung" (to force something of someone) but not "Sexuelle Nötigung" (a complete new level).
I am not saying that it wasnt bad what the girls did there and they actually could be charged by law. I am just saying that this specific situation cant be compared to a rape situation a 11 year old girl could be in or could feel to be in when hold down and undressed by 2 14 year old boys.
@AraMoOse: No the speficic situation is actually important. You cant view this the same way you see a mathematical problem. Again what they did could be charged as a crime (even though i am not a fan of charging 14 years old with jailtime). But it just didnt have the sexual element a situation with reversed roles would most likely have.
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Axe body spray is going to get SUED!
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On June 05 2011 14:43 Hakker wrote:
Justice? punishment? they just took the kids clothes off lol
if anything in 5 years he'll look back on how lucky he was.
You're a terrible person.
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i find it highly disturbing people think that the legal system should have been involved.
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