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aguy38
131 Posts
On May 27 2011 15:09 IntoTheWow wrote: illegal community tradiction* edit: Me being naked in the street isn't hurting anybody, they should just let me do it :O depends, are you a hot girl? all joking aside, sure I actually don't care. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On May 27 2011 15:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote: sure it's a crime, but it's a victimless crime if there was a law against scratching your head with both hands at the same time and I saw someone do it, I wouldn't report it or care at all it's illegal, therefore it is wrong, right? oh wait But it's not. It's alienating the non-Christians by making them feel like they don't belong at their own graduation. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
Until they find out you're not Christian. I don't think anyone would have cared if he was an atheist and just kept his mouth shut and didn't do something that they perceived as an attack on them. | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
On May 27 2011 15:06 johanngrunt wrote: Hipster atheists believe in the FSM ironically  hipsters also need to be sent to gulags so its okay On May 27 2011 15:06 Zzoram wrote: Except he was ostracized by school administrators and teachers, which represent the government. That is government sanctioned religious persecution if they don't get punished for violating his rights. indeed the administrators and the teacher probably should be fired, no objections there points for personal integrity On May 27 2011 15:08 IntoTheWow wrote: He discovered his parents are idiots now, instead of realizing it 10 years from now? not really an achievement many parents are retarded, especially if they were uneducated i don't know how finding this out actually improves your life On May 27 2011 15:08 IntoTheWow wrote: He gets support from people and will get the chance to move from a place where no one respects him for what he is, where he can start a new life without all those people full of hate around him? good for him On May 27 2011 15:08 IntoTheWow wrote: He brought a problem into light for other people like that, to realize discuss and might set things straight in the future for kids that go to the same school? i will grant you that one i suppose i guess i don't really understand atheist conviction though so it's difficult for me to understand but i guess other people might be inspired by him okay so i guess he did improve the world gold star On May 27 2011 15:09 Supamang wrote: Theres so much sarcasm in this thread in general that i cant tell whos being serious anymore but i wasnt even being sarcastic | ||
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Generic SC
New Zealand179 Posts
Still I think people take the role Politically correct police way to far. Big thumbs up to Christian America, the freedom of speech and the unfreedomistic (woot new word) nature of speech. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On May 27 2011 15:12 IntoTheWow wrote: Where did I say it was wrong? I said it was illegal. you may not have but you seem to place a lot of importance on it as if the law was an ends rather than a means someone else was confusing the two anyways though and I suppose that part was more directed at them | ||
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rattus22
United States68 Posts
Your title is manipulative and misleading. How does "Student gets ostracized for refusing to pray" have anything to do with what he actually did? Wow, one person stood up against the masses and was ostracized, no way. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and be a man. There's no way they could have "forced" him to pray. He is just seeking attention and got exactly that. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On May 27 2011 15:09 TheLink wrote: Fowler was NOT thrown out of his community for religious beliefs lets make that straight right now. He was thrown out for destroying religious activities in his local school, theres a big difference. He alienated his community by shitting all over an activity they loved. He was not alienated for being an athiest. Of course he is legally correct in doing so. Just like his parents are legally allowed to disown him since he's 18. The other students are obviously doing something illegal with the bullying but bullying is a different matter entirely. Whoever leaked his name may be liable for some form of punishment but I don't know the law/circumstances behind that one. Everything (except possibly the identity leak) has been perfectly legal so far. What we are arguing is the MORALS of the situation. To everyone who is arguing that he was standing up for his rights are correct. Just as the parents are standing up for their rights in disowning him. Except the prayer itself. It's a matter of framing. You can say he was "shitting over an activity they loved". Or you can say he was complaining about an illegal practice. | ||
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maliceee
United States634 Posts
I guess you think he has no friends either lol | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On May 27 2011 15:11 exalted wrote: I hate how teamliquid is so large these days that a thread like this gets spammed with replies making each reply less meaningful as it is caught up in all the clutter. What he did was something I wouldn't. Obviously speaking out would incur severe repercussions and possibly the wrath of many. However, if everyone was like me, no change would happen either. Reminds me of Rosa Parks and how she should have just "sat in the back". That's what I thought of too. An argument could be made that sitting in the back hurts nobody, and that she should've minded her own business and not bothered the majority of bus riders. Of course, it was morally wrong and she was couragous to stand up for herself, as was Damon Fowler. | ||
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StrangrDangr
United States291 Posts
On May 27 2011 15:13 Zzoram wrote: But it's not. It's alienating the non-Christians by making them feel like they don't belong at their own graduation. Just like how our money alienates the non-Christians, fortunately I am willing to take any of that darn alenating money off your hands. | ||
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atheistaphobe
22 Posts
On May 27 2011 15:08 krbz wrote: Christianity is backed up by "stories" compiled into a book. The history is only of the stories and completely untestable. I would also like to add that they are stories from an age that had very little understanding of the world around them. They couldn't explain things so they created something to provide that explanation. Scientific theory cannot take divine power into consideration as it cannot be subjected to testing and verified by multiple parties. It cannot stand in a scientific setting because all a religious follower can present is the book the have "faith" in. Social Sciences prove again and again that devout Christians live a healthier life and that prayer has an effect. Atheism is nothing. It cannot be proved. . | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
On May 27 2011 15:15 atheistaphobe wrote: Social Sciences prove again and again that devout Christians live a healthier life and that prayer has an effect. Atheism is nothing. It cannot be proved. christianity cannot be proved either dohohohoho [citation needed] | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On May 27 2011 14:47 Popss wrote: I find it hilarious though that these things can cause a ruckus in the U.S. In Sweden which is one of the least religious countries in the entire world everyone goes to church at the end of semester until they finish high school. Why? Because it's a tradition and no parent is really scared that listening to a priest for half an hour is gonna twist the minds of their children. It was always really boring though  The reason this is a big deal in America is because it has been a guiding principle since the start of the country. Many early settlers of America were people fleeing England to avoid religious prosecution for not following the church of England. Thus, when the bill of rights passed there was included a line that congress was not to pass a law setting up a state religion nor prevent the practice of a religion. In effect it is interpreted as though the state (public schools being an officer of the state) cannot lead prayer inside the class or during school events. The school cannot stop students from praying, and could for instance leave a moment of silence for people to pray, but it cannot lead the students in prayer. Had this incident occurred at a private school the kid wouldn't have a leg to stand on as a private school is not the state. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32278 Posts
On May 27 2011 15:13 aguy38 wrote: depends, are you a hot girl? all joking aside, sure I actually don't care. Yeah, but the law would. It's a victimless crime, but it's still a crime. And you know what, If I walked in the street naked, the police would be called and I would be arrested. So I hope that law is applied to them, the same way the law is applied on me  | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
On May 27 2011 15:15 Zzoram wrote: That's what I thought of too. An argument could be made that sitting in the back hurts nobody, and that she should've minded her own business and not bothered the majority of bus riders. Of course, it was morally wrong and she was couragous to stand up for herself, as was Damon Fowler. racism is bad and dehumanizing | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On May 27 2011 15:12 Slaughter wrote: Really? As a Canadian citizen your familiar with the bible belt states and how they treat people? Of course I don't know how everyone anywhere treats people. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On May 27 2011 15:13 Zzoram wrote: But it's not. It's alienating the non-Christians by making them feel like they don't belong at their own graduation. maybe I'm just too irreverent to speak for everyone but I honestly think anyone who feels like that is just very thin-skinned and needs to not get offended so easily I don't see how anyone could be offended or feel isolated by a public prayer at the graduation even if it isn't your religion honestly it's ironic that the public prayer is unlawful (that hurts no one) but the double-standards of harassment (despite being a religion about peace and love) and death threats get no flak at all | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32278 Posts
On May 27 2011 15:15 maliceee wrote: I guess you think he has no friends either lol Friends? You mean those people that made his life impossible for the past week? | ||
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