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inamorato
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States263 Posts
May 23 2011 21:38 GMT
#61
This is fucking absurd. I love how they claim 50,000 people die from second hand smoke yearly. The only smoke that is carcinogenic is the inhaled smoke and the smoke that comes directly off of the burning cigarette. No one ingests the smoke that comes off of a cigarette when you are outdoors.

I remember when smoking in a hospital was legal. The only possible upside to this is making self righteous assholes feel even better about themselves, and possibly cutting down on litter. But its NYC. Do you really think NYC is ever going to be free of litter or significantly improved because of a smoking ban? It's the dirtiest city in all of the world. I think the legislature//government needs to direct their attention to more pertinent issues aside from smoking, and the war on drugs.
You're one microscopic cog in his catastrophic plan Designed and directed by his red right hand
Enki
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2548 Posts
May 23 2011 21:39 GMT
#62
All for this. Smoking is fucking disgusting, smells like shit and the smell sticks to your clothes afterwards as well. I don't understand why smokers think everyone should bend over and just deal with their bad habit.
"Practice, practice, practice. And when you're not practicing you should be practicing. It's the only way to get better. The only way." I run the Smix Fanclub!
VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
May 23 2011 21:39 GMT
#63
hmm, This goes too far. I hope there is designated spots for smoking at the very least
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
May 23 2011 21:39 GMT
#64
This ban is awesome, fucking hate it when smoke fills up my nostrils without my permission, ban those killing ciggs.
I <3 Plexa.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 21:40:28
May 23 2011 21:39 GMT
#65
smoke outdoor does not harm the person walking by, there is no health/hazard issue, its just annoying as the person having to smell it when they dont have to.

i dont mind bans on public places but they shouldnt be able to say they can't smoke in their own home and car.

smokers have no complaints as they shouldn't smoke in populated areas for consideration of others.

and those who get so offended by cigarette smell, don't be a pussy
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
May 23 2011 21:40 GMT
#66
On May 24 2011 06:08 insaneMicro wrote:
This is getting out of hand imo. Banning smoking at bars I can understand, the air can get sticky and tear-inducing at times.
But why ban people from smoking in public? It's neither harming nor annoying anyone. If I lived in NYC, I'd be pretty mad about this.


Not sure if serious. You aren't sure why the are banning smoking in public places? They give reasons in the article. You might have to...err..you know, READ it.
fush
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada563 Posts
May 23 2011 21:41 GMT
#67
On May 24 2011 06:38 inamorato wrote:
This is fucking absurd. I love how they claim 50,000 people die from second hand smoke yearly. The only smoke that is carcinogenic is the inhaled smoke and the smoke that comes directly off of the burning cigarette. No one ingests the smoke that comes off of a cigarette when you are outdoors.

I remember when smoking in a hospital was legal. The only possible upside to this is making self righteous assholes feel even better about themselves, and possibly cutting down on litter. But its NYC. Do you really think NYC is ever going to be free of litter or significantly improved because of a smoking ban? It's the dirtiest city in all of the world. I think the legislature//government needs to direct their attention to more pertinent issues aside from smoking, and the war on drugs.


just stop if you have no idea what you're talking about. nicotine is the main psychoactive drug in cigarettes and a recent study shows second hand smoke causes activation of 20% of all brain nicotinic receptors in a non-smoker.

Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2011 May 2.
Effect of Secondhand Smoke on Occupancy of Nicotinic Acetylcholine Receptors in Brain.
Brody AL, Mandelkern MA, London ED, Khan A, Kozman D, Costello MR, Vellios EE, Archie MM, Bascom R, Mukhin AG.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
May 23 2011 21:41 GMT
#68
On May 24 2011 06:39 jinorazi wrote:
smoke outdoor does not harm the person walking by, there is no health/hazard issue


Are you qualified to make this statement? Please provide your primary research on the subject or cite studies that have supported your statement. Thanks.
relyt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1073 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 21:46:36
May 23 2011 21:42 GMT
#69
Wow there seem to be a lot of people who hate smoking in here. I can understand why one would hate being exposed to smoke, but do you really care if a person smokes in his own home?

EDIT: this comment was directed at the comments in this thread, not the article. I am 100% for the legislation even though i am a smoker myself.
Myrkskog
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada481 Posts
May 23 2011 21:43 GMT
#70
On May 24 2011 06:41 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 06:39 jinorazi wrote:
smoke outdoor does not harm the person walking by, there is no health/hazard issue


Are you qualified to make this statement? Please provide your primary research on the subject or cite studies that have supported your statement. Thanks.


Yeah I don't think so. The burden of proof is your job, not his.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
May 23 2011 21:44 GMT
#71
On May 24 2011 06:42 relyt wrote:
do you really care if a person smokes in his own home?


Nope. What does smoking in one's own home have to do with this legislation? The ban includes parks and other public places. Please read the article.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
May 23 2011 21:44 GMT
#72
for a better future YAY :D
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aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
May 23 2011 21:45 GMT
#73
On May 24 2011 06:39 jinorazi wrote:
smoke outdoor does not harm the person walking by, there is no health/hazard issue, its just annoying as the person having to smell it when they dont have to.

i dont mind bans on public places but they shouldnt be able to say they can't smoke in their own home and car.

smokers have no complaints as they shouldn't smoke in populated areas for consideration of others.

and those who get so offended by cigarette smell, don't be a pussy

As someone with smoke-triggered asthma, I can vouch for the fact that smoke outdoors does harm at least some of the people walking by. It's not just the smell - for me it's nothing serious, but I can feel my chest get a little tighter. I actually felt this a lot more when I lived in NYC - maybe because of more smokers, or because the dense buildings reduce circulation or something. I even get a bit of the effect when someone who works in my office comes back in from smoking outside. Smoking is harmful to those around you, and you can make all the libertarian arguments you want, but they only apply when no one else is near you. (In fact, I read an article once saying that children in apartment buildings in NYC had noticeable second-hand smoke exposure just from people living in *other* apartments smoking, since the ventilation system is shared.)
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 21:46:30
May 23 2011 21:45 GMT
#74
On May 24 2011 06:42 relyt wrote:
Wow there seem to be a lot of people who hate smoking in here. I can understand why one would hate being exposed to smoke, but do you really care if a person smokes in his own home?

The subject isn't in their own home, its in a place where people are exposed to smoke without consent.

Considering the potential health consequences for people who do not smoke, it is a really easy conclusion to reach that this is a good choice for NYC.

On May 24 2011 06:45 aristarchus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 06:39 jinorazi wrote:
smoke outdoor does not harm the person walking by, there is no health/hazard issue, its just annoying as the person having to smell it when they dont have to.

i dont mind bans on public places but they shouldnt be able to say they can't smoke in their own home and car.

smokers have no complaints as they shouldn't smoke in populated areas for consideration of others.

and those who get so offended by cigarette smell, don't be a pussy

As someone with smoke-triggered asthma, I can vouch for the fact that smoke outdoors does harm at least some of the people walking by. It's not just the smell - for me it's nothing serious, but I can feel my chest get a little tighter. I actually felt this a lot more when I lived in NYC - maybe because of more smokers, or because the dense buildings reduce circulation or something. I even get a bit of the effect when someone who works in my office comes back in from smoking outside. Smoking is harmful to those around you, and you can make all the libertarian arguments you want, but they only apply when no one else is near you. (In fact, I read an article once saying that children in apartment buildings in NYC had noticeable second-hand smoke exposure just from people living in *other* apartments smoking, since the ventilation system is shared.)


Same here. Many people have smoke-triggered asthma, and its really shitty to be walking down the street and suddenly be short on breath and have trouble breathing. Its very invasive.
relyt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1073 Posts
May 23 2011 21:45 GMT
#75
On May 24 2011 06:44 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 06:42 relyt wrote:
do you really care if a person smokes in his own home?


Nope. What does smoking in one's own home have to do with this legislation? The ban includes parks and other public places. Please read the article.

I did, I also read the comments. Some people were calling for an all out ban of smoking.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
May 23 2011 21:46 GMT
#76
On May 24 2011 06:43 Myrkskog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 06:41 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On May 24 2011 06:39 jinorazi wrote:
smoke outdoor does not harm the person walking by, there is no health/hazard issue


Are you qualified to make this statement? Please provide your primary research on the subject or cite studies that have supported your statement. Thanks.


Yeah I don't think so. The burden of proof is your job, not his.


Nope, it's his. There is already evidence that contradicts his statement. If he is to claim otherwise, he must provide evidence. Not sure if you're trolling.
Kibibit
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1551 Posts
May 23 2011 21:48 GMT
#77
Honestly, while I'm not naive enough to think that this will have NO positive effect, a large percentage of what your average park worker has to sweep up is cigarettes, but unlike the heavy cigarette tax or our heavy handed gun laws, I don't think this will have the effect they're looking for here. That said, it's not a bad law at all for non-smokers, and, well, smokers should expect this by now.
R.I.P. 우정호 || Do probes dream of psionic sheep?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
May 23 2011 21:50 GMT
#78
On May 24 2011 06:46 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 06:43 Myrkskog wrote:
On May 24 2011 06:41 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On May 24 2011 06:39 jinorazi wrote:
smoke outdoor does not harm the person walking by, there is no health/hazard issue


Are you qualified to make this statement? Please provide your primary research on the subject or cite studies that have supported your statement. Thanks.


Yeah I don't think so. The burden of proof is your job, not his.


Nope, it's his. There is already evidence that contradicts his statement. If he is to claim otherwise, he must provide evidence. Not sure if you're trolling.


Second hand smoke stimulates tumor angiogenesis and growth
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1535610803002198

Cardiovascular Effects of Secondhand Smoke
Nearly as Large as Smoking
http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/111/20/2684

The question as to whether second hand smoke harms people has been answered many times.
platorepublic
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom344 Posts
May 23 2011 21:50 GMT
#79
On May 24 2011 06:04 Valestrum wrote:
I'm glad, smoking is a bad habit. It doesn't do anything good for us.

Agreed, but isn't it the freedom for people to smoke?

I think many other things should be banned to, like driving private cars.
Even though I've never met you, I still miss you.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
May 23 2011 21:51 GMT
#80
On May 24 2011 06:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 06:46 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On May 24 2011 06:43 Myrkskog wrote:
On May 24 2011 06:41 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On May 24 2011 06:39 jinorazi wrote:
smoke outdoor does not harm the person walking by, there is no health/hazard issue


Are you qualified to make this statement? Please provide your primary research on the subject or cite studies that have supported your statement. Thanks.


Yeah I don't think so. The burden of proof is your job, not his.


Nope, it's his. There is already evidence that contradicts his statement. If he is to claim otherwise, he must provide evidence. Not sure if you're trolling.


Second hand smoke stimulates tumor angiogenesis and growth
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1535610803002198

Cardiovascular Effects of Secondhand Smoke
Nearly as Large as Smoking
http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/111/20/2684

The question as to whether second hand smoke harms people has been answered many times.


Thank you.
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