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Sega92
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States467 Posts
May 23 2011 22:29 GMT
#101
tbh this is a little much, people need to be free to do what they want to their bodies, we don't have a law that prohibits alcoholics from drinking, only where they can, if this is passed a lot of people will be really angry but i think its going to work anyways...only time will tell
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
May 23 2011 22:31 GMT
#102
On May 24 2011 07:29 Sega92 wrote:
tbh this is a little much, people need to be free to do what they want to their bodies, we don't have a law that prohibits alcoholics from drinking, only where they can, if this is passed a lot of people will be really angry but i think its going to work anyways...only time will tell


Ummm it's the same thing as alcoholics in this case.
There's no S in KT. :P
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 22:38:27
May 23 2011 22:33 GMT
#103
I can't be the only one who sees the funny thing in banning smoking in one of the probably most traffic heavy cities in the world...

EDIT: nvm, I wasn't the only one...

And forbidding smoking with that much traffic isn't really going to mean anything at all. It is naïve to think that you will be able to spot any effects of this rule in the statistics...
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
May 23 2011 22:34 GMT
#104
On May 24 2011 07:29 Sega92 wrote:
tbh this is a little much, people need to be free to do what they want to their bodies, we don't have a law that prohibits alcoholics from drinking, only where they can, if this is passed a lot of people will be really angry but i think its going to work anyways...only time will tell

That's funny because this law only constricts smokers to where they can smoke

They are still free to smoke.
iNCryo
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway5 Posts
May 23 2011 22:40 GMT
#105
I'm happy they are doing this and I hope Norway follows suit and protect our innocent lungs from the smokers
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
May 23 2011 22:40 GMT
#106
On May 24 2011 07:10 Baarn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 06:51 Myles wrote:
I've never like regulations that force a private business to operate in a certain way. IMO, if a business wants to allow smoking/some other social taboo, they should be allowed to. If a non-smoker doesn't like it then they can take their business elsewhere. I think it's the same with racism and such, too. Let them be bigots and racists, especially when these days that will only harm themselves.

On the other hand, public places is a different situation, imo. A public place is supposed to be there for everyone to enjoy, and smokers most definitely reduce the enjoyment on non-smokers in the area.


You can if it's a private club. Can do whatever you like.


As in a place that you have to have a membership for? That's cool and all, but I still don't like that if I own my private business, regardless if I charge people a membership fee, I can't decide if I want to say fuck you to a certain portion of the population.
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TALegion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1187 Posts
May 23 2011 22:45 GMT
#107
I'm finding TL more and more hypocritical every single time a post like this comes out.

So many people are for this because they believe smoking is bad, and no one should do it.
If there's a thread about a limit/ban of video games, TL users are up in arms about human rights and how a government shouldn't get to tell anyone how to live their personal life.
A person willing to die for a cause is a hero. A person willing to kill for a cause is a madman
mardi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1164 Posts
May 23 2011 22:45 GMT
#108
i have chronic sinusitis and allergies and smoking really aggravates my sinuses. I'd really prefer if smoking was banned from public places but on streets and stuff its okay. Just buses mostly since I live in the city during the school year. I'd support this bill at first site but I'd like to see a thorough overview of it though.
MozzarellaL
Profile Joined November 2010
United States822 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 22:47:09
May 23 2011 22:46 GMT
#109
On May 24 2011 07:45 TALegion wrote:
I'm finding TL more and more hypocritical every single time a post like this comes out.

So many people are for this because they believe smoking is bad, and no one should do it.
If there's a thread about a limit/ban of video games, TL users are up in arms about human rights and how a government shouldn't get to tell anyone how to live their personal life.

because playing video games doesn't harm anyone else.
smoking cigarettes in public harms people other than the smoker

learn your reasoning you fail
isM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States735 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 22:56:49
May 23 2011 22:47 GMT
#110
Full disclosure: I am a smoker
In Arizona a couple years ago we banned smoking indoors everywhere except the Casinos because they aren't "ours." I even voted for the bill and I totally understand it. That said we should be able to smoke outdoors especially in places like parks or our cars if we so choose, just be respectful to others (however when ever the onus falls on the average Joe is it destined to fail).

On May 24 2011 07:46 MozzarellaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 07:45 TALegion wrote:
I'm finding TL more and more hypocritical every single time a post like this comes out.

So many people are for this because they believe smoking is bad, and no one should do it.
If there's a thread about a limit/ban of video games, TL users are up in arms about human rights and how a government shouldn't get to tell anyone how to live their personal life.

because playing video games doesn't harm anyone else.
smoking cigarettes in public harms people other than the smoker

learn your reasoning you fail


Smoking CAN harm others but it doesn't in almost every case, outside of those in prolonged exposure in an area with restricted air flow.

Also just off the top of my head no research involved, there is no way walking by a smoker in a public area is any worse than just generally walking around in a densely populated city like NYC.

Now shall we play the hypothetical game?

For video games using your logic, video games lead to obesity which leads to different health issues and if someone is playing video games to often they don't have a job and by not having a job us tax payers end up footing the bill for their health care, instead of it going to actual people who are deserving.

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ridiculous isn't it?
Loose lips sink ships
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
May 23 2011 22:47 GMT
#111
On May 24 2011 07:45 TALegion wrote:
I'm finding TL more and more hypocritical every single time a post like this comes out.

So many people are for this because they believe smoking is bad, and no one should do it.
If there's a thread about a limit/ban of video games, TL users are up in arms about human rights and how a government shouldn't get to tell anyone how to live their personal life.


I find this a bit ironic as well. Though, I will say there a certainly more merits to why smoking is bad than video games are bad.
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acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 22:50:53
May 23 2011 22:49 GMT
#112
People have the right to smoke. They don't have the right to give others cancer.

I think this is a good bill. I'm pretty sure we have something similar over here, and it's really noticeable. In the good way.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 22:50:52
May 23 2011 22:49 GMT
#113
On May 24 2011 07:21 Hokay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 07:09 Dracolich70 wrote:
On May 24 2011 06:35 fush wrote:
On May 24 2011 06:32 Dracolich70 wrote:
I find it "funny" people talk about the ills of second-hand smoking in cities with 1000s of cars passing in the course of time it takes to smoke a cigarette.


so because there's the a bigger problem we shouldn't talk about cutting off something that's entirely preventable?

good move by NYC. hopefully more places follow... it's about time something like this took off everywhere.
It seems kind of pedantic to me, to discuss the effects of second-hand smoking in open-air, in environments filled of gases and smoke of much grander magnitude of ill effects. It's like cutting the 1 sugar in your one daily coffee, while you daily consume 2 gallons of Coke, trying to be healthy.


You mean necessities like transportation and their by products of pollution/gases that are regulated, that help society and life? Smoking is not a necessity to our society. It is a public health concern, nuisance and environmental problem. Sounds like some good arguments to cut that crap out.
Suggest riding bikes. It is much healthier than sitting in cars. Suggest public transportation. Suggest underground highways. Suggest non-polluting cars, before you jump on the back of a minimal health risk situation for the second hand smoker.

The effects of second hand smoke in open air is so minimal, if even noticeable in a lifespan, that it is merely a witch hunt/mass hysteria argument you are supporting.
LiangHao
Egyptian_Head
Profile Joined October 2010
South Africa508 Posts
May 23 2011 22:53 GMT
#114
Yes lets ban everything that is slightly annoying to anyone else. Thats surely going to lead to something good.

People over focus on smoking, I really don't see what the big deal is.
ffz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States490 Posts
May 23 2011 22:54 GMT
#115
did they ban ppl from smoking in china town? I hope they did.I'm tired of getting mouthfuls of 2nd hand smoke.
Meow.
BroodjeBaller
Profile Joined January 2011
125 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 22:57:03
May 23 2011 22:54 GMT
#116
Smoking is the most useless and retarded activity to ever exist.
Its smells horrible, its bad for your health in so many ways, its bad for your looks, its expensive. There are no benefits.
It should be banned everywhere and all cigarette companies should be closed.
Egyptian_Head
Profile Joined October 2010
South Africa508 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 22:57:32
May 23 2011 22:57 GMT
#117
On May 24 2011 07:54 BroodjeBaller wrote:
Smoking is the most useless and retarded activity to ever exist.
Its smells horrible, its bad for your health in so many ways, its bad for your looks, its expensive. There are no benefits.
It should be banned everywhere and all cigarette companies should be closed.

You feel the same way about alcohol?
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-23 22:59:44
May 23 2011 22:59 GMT
#118
On May 24 2011 07:54 BroodjeBaller wrote:
Smoking is the most useless and retarded activity to ever exist.
It should be banned everywhere and all cigarette companies should be closed.


Making absolute statements and generalities are the most stupid and retarded activities to ever exist. Overarching statements should be banned everywhere and people who commit them should be prosecuted.

/sarcasm

Cigarettes are bad for you. Everyone gets that. But there are a lot of stupid and retarded activities out there that have significant health risks and yet aren't banned.
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Hokay
Profile Joined May 2007
United States738 Posts
May 23 2011 22:59 GMT
#119
On May 24 2011 07:49 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 07:21 Hokay wrote:
On May 24 2011 07:09 Dracolich70 wrote:
On May 24 2011 06:35 fush wrote:
On May 24 2011 06:32 Dracolich70 wrote:
I find it "funny" people talk about the ills of second-hand smoking in cities with 1000s of cars passing in the course of time it takes to smoke a cigarette.


so because there's the a bigger problem we shouldn't talk about cutting off something that's entirely preventable?

good move by NYC. hopefully more places follow... it's about time something like this took off everywhere.
It seems kind of pedantic to me, to discuss the effects of second-hand smoking in open-air, in environments filled of gases and smoke of much grander magnitude of ill effects. It's like cutting the 1 sugar in your one daily coffee, while you daily consume 2 gallons of Coke, trying to be healthy.


You mean necessities like transportation and their by products of pollution/gases that are regulated, that help society and life? Smoking is not a necessity to our society. It is a public health concern, nuisance and environmental problem. Sounds like some good arguments to cut that crap out.
Suggest riding bikes. It is much healthier than sitting in cars. Suggest public transportation. Suggest underground highways. Suggest non-polluting cars, before you jump on the back of a minimal health risk situation for the second hand smoker.

The effects of second hand smoke in open air is so minimal, if even noticeable in a lifespan, that it is merely a witch hunt/mass hysteria argument you are supporting.


Support mass hysteria and witch hunts? No. Concern for public environment, and health of others shared in a public area, yes. I and some other posters know how it is to be effected by second hand smoke, indoor or outdoor, so we have to stand up and say "This isn't true." when you have all these people say it is harmless. Well it is it not and there are many studies that say otherwise too.

Bringing up bad strawman arguments such as transportation pollution, a byproduct of what moves our society forward and easier, which are heavily regulated and laws revised for even less pollution that are forced upon car manufactures makes no sense to bring up in the first place, because we are actively solving that problem with stricter regulations and the move to more cleaner solutions such as zero emissions (electric cars).
Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
May 23 2011 22:59 GMT
#120
On May 24 2011 07:57 Egyptian_Head wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 07:54 BroodjeBaller wrote:
Smoking is the most useless and retarded activity to ever exist.
Its smells horrible, its bad for your health in so many ways, its bad for your looks, its expensive. There are no benefits.
It should be banned everywhere and all cigarette companies should be closed.

You feel the same way about alcohol?


Studies have shown that drinking moderate (read: 1 glass) of red wine a day is actually quite healthy for you

I'm all for banning smoking from parks and beaches, I hate walking through all the cigarette butts in the sand, uhg.
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