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chickenhawk
Portugal339 Posts
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probob
Germany227 Posts
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lundril
Germany12 Posts
On May 24 2011 06:50 Mohdoo wrote: Second hand smoke stimulates tumor angiogenesis and growth http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1535610803002198 Cardiovascular Effects of Secondhand Smoke Nearly as Large as Smoking http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/111/20/2684 The question as to whether second hand smoke harms people has been answered many times. I just had a look at the above links: The second one (circ.ahajournals.org) says: "Methods and Results— We conducted a literature review of the research describing ..." Meaning that this paper contains no original research at all. It simply picks research papers since 1995 and comes to the conlcusion that "The effects of secondhand smoke are substantial and rapid, explaining the relatively large risks that have been reported in epidemiological studies." I really do not think that this is science exactly... The first paper (www.sciencedirect.com) used mice and conducted an experiment on mice which already WERE infected with lung cancer cells, trying to prove that Second Hand Smoking lets the cancer grow faster -- which is not necessarily the same as asking if you get cancer from Second Hand Smoking in general. What's even worse: Have a look at the setup. The paper says: "Four Marlboro filter cigarettes were smoked using a smoking machine (RM 1/G, Heiner Borgwald GmbH, Hamburg, Germany) every 15 min, 6 hr/day, five days/week in the exposure chamber. " So that means 96 cigarettes in a chamber "that had a 3.6 m*m*m interior volume, similar to that of an automobile sedan." Can someone please explain to me how that can be interpreted as "SHS" == "Second Hand Smoke" ? That means these mice were exposed to around 500 cigarettes per week in a room the size of a car; calling this scenario "Second Hand Smoking" sounds like someone is desperately trying to get a result which is not there. Then they used 5 mice groups of 8-9 mice per group. For a statistical analysis this REALLY does not sound good. I have not done statistics for some time, so I cannot calculate the statistical significance on the spot, but really: Groups of 8-9 subjects ? This sounds like a statistical joke. So summing up the paper: If you have lung cancer and you spend your life in a car, in which other persons smoke 500 Cigarettes per week, this probably increases the growth speed of your lung cancer. This is really astonishing... NOT! Don't get me wrong: I might be able to believe that Second Hand Smoke has a negative impact on health... but not because of reading the above papers. | ||
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BroodjeBaller
125 Posts
On May 24 2011 08:19 Baarn wrote: This has got to be the most idiotic post I've seen this week. Why? Because you are a smoker I guess? | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On May 24 2011 08:12 Myles wrote: Alcohol is most certainly physically addicting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_withdrawal_syndrome Thanks for showing me this. I knew very well that there is commonly psychological dependence on alcohol, but not this case so much. Tbh, I've never known anyone who was addicted to alcohol (and I've known tons of people who drink) and those I've known who were/are were quite stuck in a rut in life to put it that way, but apparently it is not the case with everyone who is an alcoholic. | ||
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Myrkskog
Canada481 Posts
On May 24 2011 08:21 chickenhawk wrote: For people saying that second hand smoke is just the random 10 meters guy, you have never been in a uni study room at exams time... its 2 months of second hand smoking for at least 12 hours a day... not preatty. my uni ban smoking in doors for 3 years.. and god, its so much better to study in doors know. What the hell does university study room have to do with smoking at the fucking beach? Read the article you shit. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Meta
United States6228 Posts
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
On May 24 2011 08:24 Myrkskog wrote: What the hell does university study room have to do with smoking at the fucking beach? Read the article you shit. calm your falm dude | ||
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isM
United States735 Posts
On May 24 2011 08:17 BroodjeBaller wrote: Alcohol doesnt smell horrible, its not bad for your health(and other peoples health) if you take it in moderation, its not bad for your looks. Ow and the smell of smoking is not something temporary. Its stay in your clothes(untill you wash them), it stay in your car, it stays in your house, its horrible. So no I dont feel the same way about alcohol. Alcohol does affect your looks, and anyone or the families of anyone who has been affected by drunk drivers would likely disagree that it doesn't effect others. | ||
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Gorguts
Canada254 Posts
you might as well tell someone to stop "Endangering your health" for idling their Car next to you. | ||
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chickenhawk
Portugal339 Posts
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
On May 24 2011 07:46 MozzarellaL wrote: because playing video games doesn't harm anyone else. smoking cigarettes in public harms people other than the smoker learn your reasoning you fail learn your facts you fail Unless in prolonged exposure to second hand smoke (and a TON of it), second hand smoke cannot do permanent damage to anyone. You would have to breath in unbelievable amounts in order for you to be intensely affected. I'm not a smoker, and I as well think that the post he was referring to is idiotic. | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
Because it's complete bullshit to say alcohol doesn't have an odor. Ever talk to anyone when they are drunk and you are sober? Ever seen the victim of a drunk driver after they can ran over cause someone had a night on the town? Ever had a friend puking their guts out over a toilet bowl and you found that attractive? Your post just fails on so many levels. | ||
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BroodjeBaller
125 Posts
On May 24 2011 08:24 Myrkskog wrote: What the hell does university study room have to do with smoking at the fucking beach? Read the article you shit. When its a bit windy on the beach you can smell that disgusting smoking smell atleast 25 meters away. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On May 24 2011 08:27 Gorguts wrote: why are people talking about Second Hand Smoke? This is OUTDOORS. you might as well tell someone to stop "Endangering your health" for idling their Car next to you. SHS is bad if the wind is blowing towards you and you're standing 18 inches away from me. step away 10ft to be safe. seriously, people need to stop bringing up SHS harmfulness because it is so minimal except to those with medical conditions. its just annoying. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On May 24 2011 08:24 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Thanks for showing me this. I knew very well that there is commonly psychological dependence on alcohol, but not this case so much. Tbh, I've never known anyone who was addicted to alcohol (and I've known tons of people who drink) and those I've known who were/are were quite stuck in a rut in life to put it that way, but apparently it is not the case with everyone who is an alcoholic. Unfortunately, my Grandfather was/is an extreme alcoholic and when we tried to intervene and prevent his alcohol consumption his withdrawals would lead him to drink Listerine and other stuff that had alcohol but was not intended to be imbibed. | ||
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BroodjeBaller
125 Posts
On May 24 2011 08:28 Baarn wrote: Because it's complete bullshit to say alcohol doesn't have an odor. Ever talk to anyone when they are drunk and you are sober? Ever seen the victim of a drunk driver after they can ran over cause someone had a night on the town? Ever had a friend puking their guts out over a toilet bowl and you found that attractive? Your post just fails on so many levels. Learn to read I never said alcohol doesnt have an odor. It doesnt smell as horrible as smoking and the range of the smell is much much smaller. I also said drinking in moderation so dont come with your drunk driver bs. Again learn to read. | ||
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Myrkskog
Canada481 Posts
On May 24 2011 08:29 BroodjeBaller wrote: When its a bit windy on the beach you can smell that disgusting smoking smell atleast 25 meters away. I smell your nasty $6 cologne when you walk by, it stick to my clothes and makes me stink until I wash them. It also aggravates my asthma, triggers my allergies, makes my eyes water, and makes my throat constrict. | ||
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MattyClutch
United States711 Posts
That said with non public places I think people should get to choose. Here you can only allow smoking in your establishment if it is 21 and up. This leaves a lot of bars in the clear so it is fine, but still seems a bit restrictive to me. 18 and up would allow more clubs the option. If people don't like it they just won't go to said club/bar, so it seems more logical. | ||
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AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
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