I heard on NASL from gretorp that he studies BJJ? (maybe he'll stumble upon this thread and tell me) but, I heard he sparred EGmachine? if so Im guess Machine does it too. I think I also Heard that Mr.Bitters also does BJJ.
Anyway this gave me the idea to ask TL: who else does martial arts here? Who competes in it?
I personally have been competing in BJJ for the last 4 years. I also had the "interesting" experience to bounce at a local bar when I was going to Maryland UMD, where I got to use most of it in real life situations.
I used to train BJJ a few years back, hurt my ankle and the gym quickly was overrun with a bunch of high school kids who only cared about being hardasses, wasn't fun anymore
I do know that QXC also does BJJ, and I think Moonglade once said he boxes regularly, but I don't know about other pros.
Umm Ive always been interested in martial arts but cant really do it because of time and money. I wrestled in high school and did bjj in my first year of college (recreational). Really wish i could do more but most decent gyms are pretty expensive
On May 03 2011 10:53 EndOfLine wrote: Wow, Im happy to see that many people are doing BJJ as well as other arts.
That is really cool if QXC has a club!
panN, does that mean you are a blue belt yet?
I've had four different teachers total, unfortunately I don't. I'm absolutely positive I'm at that level as I get to roll with them often, but oh well, hopefully soon.
I live in Brazil and never heard anyone referring it as Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. lol Always thought it was just called Jiu Jitsu. I even googled BJJ to make sure. :p
I trained Kung Fu for 3 years and last month I started training BJJ with coach Fabio Gurgel, here in Sao Paulo. It is going pretty well, but I wish my job gave me more time to practice.
On May 03 2011 10:53 EndOfLine wrote: Wow, Im happy to see that many people are doing BJJ as well as other arts.
That is really cool if QXC has a club!
panN, does that mean you are a blue belt yet?
I've had four different teachers total, unfortunately I don't. I'm absolutely positive I'm at that level as I get to roll with them often, but oh well, hopefully soon.
:D
little be little buddy. maybe soon Ill get my grape belt :D
On May 03 2011 11:16 Hoon wrote: I live in Brazil and never heard anyone referring it as Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. lol Always thought it was just called Jiu Jitsu. I even googled BJJ to make sure. :p
I did some martial arts when I was very young I'd like to get back into it but I'm always skeptical when I see random places set up in random sheet metal buildings. Anyone have any advice on finding good places to learn? I am interested in Muay Thai.
On May 03 2011 14:48 Azerbaijan wrote: I did some martial arts when I was very young I'd like to get back into it but I'm always skeptical when I see random places set up in random sheet metal buildings. Anyone have any advice on finding good places to learn? I am interested in Muay Thai.
Yes, first find out the type of martial arts you want to do and for what reason(s)
Then find a MMA, or that martial art forum online. Then ask them. Usually they will direct you to a good one, and because you know some of the members already online from the forum, you will be welcomed warmly.
Search = "BJJ" Probably your best bet (instead of yet another thread), ~those guys~ seem to enjoy rolling around on the floor, grappling and wrapping their legs around other, sweaty, men ^^
I'm a two stripe purple belt in jiu jitsu under Leonardo Xavier.
been doing it for about 7 years. been to many many tournaments all over the US. more than i can remember actually. maybe 50 total?
nothing is better than jiujitsu. other martial arts are alright, but as the saying goes in the bjj world: "if you want to break boards, take karate. if you want to break people, take bjj"
On May 03 2011 11:16 Hoon wrote: I live in Brazil and never heard anyone referring it as Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. lol Always thought it was just called Jiu Jitsu. I even googled BJJ to make sure. :p
What about Brazil nuts? lol
lol I had to google that to know what it was We call it "Pará's Nuts", Pará is a state in the north. Not sure how they call it in Pará tho
But bbj we just call it "Jiu Jitsu" and the original form we call it "Japanese Jiu Jitsu".
Personally I only trained it for like 4 months then got bored and left ^^ Tho I admit part of me quitting was realizing how ugly the ears of every jiu jitsu pro looks like
How exactly do you get into BJJ/Muay Thai? I did Kung Fu for about 2 years but it was an invite only club that a friend referred me into. But how do you get into these 'public' clubs?
I've done BJJ for 3-4 years but I haven't been playing regularly so I never got that good. I met Alexander Paiva though and he gave me my first stripe.
I'm pretty tall AND flexible which is a good combination. I can hook the player with my legs even when they're in a mount position.
Also, my mom's boyfriend has a brown belt in BJJ and a black belt in Karate. [/brag] I'd probably lose to just about anyone on here anyways(BJJ and SC2 )
On May 05 2011 01:06 StayFrosty wrote: How exactly do you get into BJJ/Muay Thai? I did Kung Fu for about 2 years but it was an invite only club that a friend referred me into. But how do you get into these 'public' clubs?
Never heard of invite only ones. Around here I'd just ask around any regular gym. Most of them have Jiu Jitsu classes.
2 years of kungfu (but uh...started late and only went like 1-2 times a week, so I failed D: ) i now do stage choreographed martial arts! break falls! yeah!
gretorp used to come to princeton and teach BW, and when he did, he would take on one of our sc players (he's like...a little under 300 pounds, varsity track and field) and completely dismantle him XD i might have a video somewhere...need to upload it ahah
On May 05 2011 00:44 Klaus1986 wrote: nothing is better than jiujitsu. other martial arts are alright, but as the saying goes in the bjj world: "if you want to break boards, take karate. if you want to break people, take bjj"
@Shvifb: I honestly believe that it does not really matter which martial art/sport you practice, as long as you are dedicated and disciplined. Pick the one you like the most!
As for myself I have been training Pencak Silat for about six years now and I love the depth of the movements, you never stop learning. This has helped my starcraft tremendously
I never had the discipline/dedication to get into martial arts. Did some Judo a few years ago, but most people there just wanted to hurt the opponent as much as possible during training, so I quit. Tested Jiu-Jitsu and Karate, stopped that too.
On May 05 2011 01:28 Shvifb wrote: What is more practical for self defense between boxing and Muay Thai?
One was developed to be a sport, the other one for killing people. You decide.
I personally find muay Thai much more interesting than boxing. If you decided to go with boxing, it would be a lot more foot and hand work. Muay Thai is going to use elbows and knees, as well as clinch work. Both are fascinating martial arts and are lethal.
OT: I was so excited when I read this thread! I had no idea so many others trained bjj. I've been studying it for about 7 months. And still haven't gotten my first stripe yet, although I think I'm very close.
Bjj is an amazing sport, in that how you view what's going on from a spectator is always changing. When I first started I was just interested in learning a few submissions, because who doesn't wanna know how to choke a friend out right? Lol after about two weeks of just getting demolished. I started noticing patterns in why people so much smaller than me could just sweep me with such ease. You then begin to see what to lookout for but, anyone who knows anything about bjj knows it's always evolving. There is this meta game inside of the game. People start pulling rubber guard. Then you have guys like Ryan hall who plays inverted guard(upside down). Things that have traditional jj black belts scratching their head.
Bjj is a game of human chess. Sc2 is a game of chess.
I've trained karate and taekwondo on and off the last 10 years. I've never done it too long (just intervals of 6 months / a year) in one round so I never managed to get a high belt. I was always the top of my class (this includes 14 year old girls and 50 year old men so not too much of a brag) and could spar convincingly with red belts.
ive been doing bjj for 3 years now, competing in ontario opens, and a competition in ohio (i love in ontario myself), i also participate in boxing where i just got my amateur license 3 months ago, and sanshou competitions which ive been to 4 of, with a king of the hill-esque style, and ive come first in all 4
trained boxing, wrestling, kyokushin, BJJ, muay thai. Personally, the more and more I learn about fighting the less and less I would resort to it, and the more I would rely on being calm and easing tension. I think martial arts are good for self-confidence and fitness though .
Currently I only box because it's so hard to be injured in boxing compared to wrestling or BJJ where it's almost once monthly you will pick SOMETHING up.
Judo (when I was little), wing chun kung-fu (3 years), kendo (3 years), taekwondo (6 months)...On a break for now. I need to get back to kendo though, it's really nice for endurance to compliment my lifting. TKD feels weird to me, because I have pretty muscular, short legs and I'm not really all that flexible, lol. Wing chun was cool as well, but all the guys at the club had like 10+ or even 20+ years of experience, so sparring was tough. I still like kendo best though.
On May 05 2011 02:05 JitnikoVi wrote: ive been doing bjj for 3 years now, competing in ontario opens, and a competition in ohio (i love in ontario myself), i also participate in boxing where i just got my amateur license 3 months ago, and sanshou competitions which ive been to 4 of, with a king of the hill-esque style, and ive come first in all 4
I was a black and red belt in my younger days of Tae Kwon Do, but now I have been studying Wing Chun/Ving Tsun under a high lineage sifu for about 6 months. It is a very practical, efficient style and Bruce Lee's Jeet Kun Do was largely derived from it.
Used to train in aikido for a couple of years but it became a hell of a lot of stress on my wrist which has been suffering with tendinitis for a while now. After i stopped doing that i took up karate for a while but just kind of slowly stopped attending classes, that was about 2/3 years ago now, from what i can remember i got up to i think brown belt in both
Trained kick boxing for about 6 years but never gone to any showmatches or something. Was going to have a showmatch against the top 5th in norway one time, but hurt my ancle so could'nt(wasnt allowed) to perform Would have probably lost bigtime tho. I might have done better today if I didnt use 80% of my spare time playing Sc2!
Why would anyone who knows bjj pull guard in a real fight? That's fucking stupid.
I do bjj since two years back, and judo once a week too. I basicly train 5-6 times a week unless something comes in the way. We don't do stripes at my club, but I think I'm closing in on blue soon. Seems most people at my club gets it after two years of regular training approximately. And we'll have some graduations (or whatever you call it) next week. Makes me nervous.
It would be awesome if I do indeed get blue next week, but it would also feel weird because I don't know if I have the level for it since I just recently had my first win in a competition (I've been struggling with my competition mindset for a while, but it seems to be getting better). Also, I'm going to Brazil this summer to train at Gordo Jiu-jitsu. If I'm still white belt that would mean a lot less pressure, and the opportunity to come back and put up some nice results in competitions next semester.
On the other hand, getting blue belt is just generally awesome. And doing wrist locks is something I've been looking forward to a long time since I did aikido for six years prior to taking up bjj.
Oh well, it's not in mind hands and I try to look at it positively Does anyone have experiences with the same thoughts when they were closing in on a new belt?
From what i hear, many clubs give away belts like toys in a cornflake package. Cant u even get like a brown belt just by sending a video of u doing some stuff to the gracies?
I'm 16 and really want to get into some martrial arts but I'm not sure which and I don't know if it's too late to start, been playing football (Soccer...T_T) since I was 4.
On May 06 2011 22:49 Slakkoo wrote: I'm 16 and really want to get into some martrial arts but I'm not sure which and I don't know if it's too late to start, been playing football (Soccer...T_T) since I was 4.
16 is not at all too late. I would suggiest Brazilian Jiu Jitsu if u like ground fighting, or Muay Thai if u like standing.U can also do MMA (mixed martiel arts) if u prefer both. I would recommend MMA to anyone wanting to do a martial arts.
And again 16 is not at all to late, i think its kinda early .
I'm an avid aikido practitioner, but I find BJJ (especially the ground work) incredibly fascinating. It's so technical it's actually amazing. I'd probably suck at it though, my legs are not nearly as supple as they should be.
I was wondering whether someone could tell me if there's also a more martial (read: non-competitive) form of BJJ, preferably one that takes multiple attackers into account.
On May 06 2011 22:26 ZeGzoR wrote: From what i hear, many clubs give away belts like toys in a cornflake package. Cant u even get like a brown belt just by sending a video of u doing some stuff to the gracies?
Bjj has been pretty strict with belts. I did Tae kwon do for almost 10 years and saw how people went from white to "black belt" in 3 years. A belt a month to keep people motivated.
By contrast in BJJ it took me two years to get blue, which is the first belt. I think avg time for black belt in BJJ is 10+ years of consistent training. Quite a commitment.
Competition is a big part of BJJ as well and it makes things very clear who deserves their belt and who doesn't. It also helps the evolution of the sport as people constantly compete at 100% so the techniques that work survive those that don't are modified or are discarded.
There is also the "BJJ police" to discourage people who open a gym and claim to have a BJJ belt. Someone will show up and ask about their lineage who their instructors were etc.. It keeps things more on the up and up,
As BJJ becomes more popular there will be those who will lower standards to make the $$. (As you mentioned above with belt via mail) but for the most part if you go to an instructor with a legit lineage then you can expect quality instructions, and a long road up the ranks.
On May 06 2011 22:08 ZeGzoR wrote: I know a guy who does bjj and pulled guard in a street fight. The other guys friend stomped him in the head....
Well, most martial arts don't do 2v1 situations or as a side thing. The only "martial art" I saw doing this was Close Combat but it was a bunch of guys in the military learning how to kick someone's ass in odd situations - and training to be "tough" with things like running head first into a wall.
What most good techers say is: if you ever fight more than 1 person or an armed person (= unfair fight), trying avoiding it or running. You could pull it off if you make every right decision, but it's a huge risk. Training to fight bare-handed against a guy with a knife is just in case you get stuck in such situations... that's why you also learn how to run in dojos. :o)
Am I the only one here who did Ju-Jutsu - not the brazilian kind? Did 2 years then stopped, was orange belt. I think I'll go back to it this year. I like it because it's not only ground-fighting, it's also judo and ponto-combo.
On May 06 2011 22:49 Slakkoo wrote: I'm 16 and really want to get into some martrial arts but I'm not sure which and I don't know if it's too late to start, been playing football (Soccer...T_T) since I was 4.
Oh yeah, by the way, I thought that too, but it's just because at that age you feel that you're becoming an adult. You're actually just a kid and people keep on changing, switching from guitar to electro dance and then MMA. When people grow older they tend to try a whole lot of different things. Realize that you still have 20+ years of possible training so... nope, it's not too late.
Also, martial arts really get serious at that age, so you can close the gap with those who started earlier really quick.
Yea a lot of people say you shouldnt go to the ground in a street fight, but knowing BJJ or any form of grappling would be good at least for defense. If you dont got friends around and someone else is tryin to submit you, it would be good to know how to prevent it
i would say that 2 years its an average time to get a blue belt if you are a normal guy, if you have talent for bjj you can make it in 1 year. Personally i think that the belts are very hard to get, it takes years to get purple and brown, and i think that the transition from brown to black its the hardest. Here im a white belt, two stripes and i just want to get better and better, this art its incredible, and i think im never gonna stop trayning, maybe taking some breaks but always getting back.
16 years old its a good time, i started at 21-22, dont remember well. i have seen videos or little kids training the bassics and its amazing, ill do that with my kids, its like a game for them but they are actually learning the basic knowledge of bjj
Been training BJJ/MMA for little over 6years now, the last 2 with Team Quest. At first I started out real competitive doing tons of tournaments and small weekend fights but now days it's more just something to keep in shape and get out extra energy.
On May 06 2011 23:11 Supamang wrote: Yea a lot of people say you shouldnt go to the ground in a street fight, but knowing BJJ or any form of grappling would be good at least for defense. If you dont got friends around and someone else is tryin to submit you, it would be good to know how to prevent it
Grappling is good in a competitive environment, but on the street you better be DAMN sure they can't throw any unexpected punches at you, especially at unexpect weak spots.
I'm personally more fond of energy deflection and being where your opponent does not expect you to be, but that's due to my aikido background.
I did BJJ for about 6 months before starting muay thai for about a year...then transitioned again to Krav Maga. If you haven't checked Krava Maga out, I would highly recommend it. Oh I have been doing Krav for about 2 years. It is a great workout, focuses on techniques you can actually use on the street, and in level 1 they assume you are fighting at least 3 people at once...yeah...
On May 07 2011 01:13 SquigglesStarcraft wrote: I did BJJ for about 6 months before starting muay thai for about a year...then transitioned again to Krav Maga. If you haven't checked Krava Maga out, I would highly recommend it. Oh I have been doing Krav for about 2 years. It is a great workout, focuses on techniques you can actually use on the street, and in level 1 they assume you are fighting at least 3 people at once...yeah...
+1 to this. I just reached level 3 in Krav Maga, and have never been more confident in myself as a "Warrior". Theoretically, I could take on multiple people, all with knives, and in practice, have mastered several techniques and MINDSET (a huge part of Krav Maga) to do so.
Krav Maga seems very efficient from what i've seen and i can see some similarities between Krav Maga and WingChun. It's important to know some "anti-weapon techniques", but always keep in mind that if your opponent has only the slightest clue about what he is doing, with a knife for instance, w/o a weapon you are pretty much screwed up, no matter how long you trained any art/style. Be confident, but also know your limits when it's getting serious
I'm currently on my way to Rio to spend two months training bjj there. Currently waiting for my flight in Frankfurt. Been looking forward to this for months, and now I'm extremely excited and nervous! Gonna be awesome!
I'm going to Connection Rio, and I'm going to train at Gordo jiu-jitsu. It seemed to be the most convinient one as I've never been in Brazil before and don't have any contacts there
BJJ and MMA club at school. Did BJJ officially at a gym for one summer, got a couple stripes on my white belt, lol. Belts mean a lot more in BJJ. Should take about 1-2 yrs to advance from white to blue if you are actually at a legit place with a legit instructor. Should take 10+ to get black if you devote yourself to it.
You know someone's full of shit when they tell you they got their blue belt 5 weeks in, or that they'll "be getting a black belt" in a "couple years" with BJJ. It's not like TKD where 12 year olds run around in black belts - I think that's good. Much more realistic and meaningful. There's also a major teaching component involved. It's not all about how many moves you know, how well you compete. It's also about how well you teach others.
On May 30 2011 01:09 Lord_of_Chaos wrote: I'm going to Connection Rio, and I'm going to train at Gordo jiu-jitsu. It seemed to be the most convinient one as I've never been in Brazil before and don't have any contacts there
Oh shit, nice man. Their training is very fierce.
EDIT: I want to go back to Rio, but I think the only time I'll have is during the Olympics. :/
On May 30 2011 01:09 Lord_of_Chaos wrote: I'm going to Connection Rio, and I'm going to train at Gordo jiu-jitsu. It seemed to be the most convinient one as I've never been in Brazil before and don't have any contacts there
Oh shit, nice man. Their training is very fierce.
EDIT: I want to go back to Rio, but I think the only time I'll have is during the Olympics. :/
You trained their before or know people who have? I hope it's not too intense as I want to be able to train as many times as possibly per day to take home as much technical improvements as possible. The limiting factor as far as I see it is how many hours on the mat per day my body can take.
On May 30 2011 01:09 Lord_of_Chaos wrote: I'm going to Connection Rio, and I'm going to train at Gordo jiu-jitsu. It seemed to be the most convinient one as I've never been in Brazil before and don't have any contacts there
Oh shit, nice man. Their training is very fierce.
EDIT: I want to go back to Rio, but I think the only time I'll have is during the Olympics. :/
You trained their before or know people who have? I hope it's not too intense as I want to be able to train as many times as possibly per day to take home as much technical improvements as possible. The limiting factor as far as I see it is how many hours on the mat per day my body can take.
Yes, I know a few people who have trained there and I have gone to Rio for several competitions. You will enjoy the experience immensely.
On May 07 2011 01:13 SquigglesStarcraft wrote: I did BJJ for about 6 months before starting muay thai for about a year...then transitioned again to Krav Maga. If you haven't checked Krava Maga out, I would highly recommend it. Oh I have been doing Krav for about 2 years. It is a great workout, focuses on techniques you can actually use on the street, and in level 1 they assume you are fighting at least 3 people at once...yeah...
+1 to this. I just reached level 3 in Krav Maga, and have never been more confident in myself as a "Warrior". Theoretically, I could take on multiple people, all with knives, and in practice, have mastered several techniques and MINDSET (a huge part of Krav Maga) to do so.
Emphasis on the theoretically... See this video... As mentioned in the comments, if the gunman is someone who is familiar with gun situations rather than a complete noob at physical grappling and knows how to hold someone as a hostage (most thugs), you wouldn't want to risk having your hand/head blown off:
I mean, most stabbers aren't going to attack you in a perfectly choreographed fashion. Although I recognise you guys might improvise when re-enacting situations. But all it takes is one curve-ball to fuck you up.
On May 30 2011 01:14 FallDownMarigold wrote: BJJ and MMA club at school. Did BJJ officially at a gym for one summer, got a couple stripes on my white belt, lol. Belts mean a lot more in BJJ. Should take about 1-2 yrs to advance from white to blue if you are actually at a legit place with a legit instructor. Should take 10+ to get black if you devote yourself to it.
You know someone's full of shit when they tell you they got their blue belt 5 weeks in, or that they'll "be getting a black belt" in a "couple years" with BJJ. It's not like TKD where 12 year olds run around in black belts - I think that's good. Much more realistic and meaningful. There's also a major teaching component involved. It's not all about how many moves you know, how well you compete. It's also about how well you teach others.
First of all, why do you need to insult TKD.
Secondly, you really know alot about it juding by your last lines... /sarcasm
Btw, for your knowledge, ITF is full contact.
P.S. Kids in black belts is a rare thing, and those who have them have great technique and knowledge at that age. Imagine them at your age.
P.P.S. Both vids are cool, but you have to train these things seriously for years and have a mindset to do it/risk your own life (and possibly not just yours) in such situation. Thing is - learning something like this from a vid is a naive, casual attitude which will land you in trouble. And doing something against a gun as a usual trainee... suicide.
On May 07 2011 01:13 SquigglesStarcraft wrote: I did BJJ for about 6 months before starting muay thai for about a year...then transitioned again to Krav Maga. If you haven't checked Krava Maga out, I would highly recommend it. Oh I have been doing Krav for about 2 years. It is a great workout, focuses on techniques you can actually use on the street, and in level 1 they assume you are fighting at least 3 people at once...yeah...
+1 to this. I just reached level 3 in Krav Maga, and have never been more confident in myself as a "Warrior". Theoretically, I could take on multiple people, all with knives, and in practice, have mastered several techniques and MINDSET (a huge part of Krav Maga) to do so.
Emphasis on "thoretical" as in most cases you'll lose even a 2v1 fight as even one mistake will cost you a lot. Same with acting tough against a guy with a knife or a gun. The first reaction in an unfair fight is to run.
I do TKD. No need to shit on it, I know it's pros and cons, I do it for fun not to be a pro badass. I also did judo for a while. I want to get back into that and learn BJJ but there's no clubs at my uni for either.
edit: At my school it would also take several years to get black. Usually 6+ (for a child it could take over ten. We weren't allowed to get a black belt till 16 or so even if you had been doing it since age 5). so maybe not as long as some places, but i think the school really influences how long it takes to belt up.
Ive been looking to get into MMA for some time now and I find the BBJ aspect of it quite appealing (if I can say that without sounding too gay xD). I just need to my hyperflexible shoulder sorted out first (it has a tendency to dislocate- not ideal when doing Martial Arts.).
Krav Maga is not useless, but its a falacy to think its anything else than a couple of self defense mannouvers, in a fight, the BJJ guy would sub the Krav Maga guy 9 out of 10 times
On May 30 2011 01:09 Lord_of_Chaos wrote: I'm going to Connection Rio, and I'm going to train at Gordo jiu-jitsu. It seemed to be the most convinient one as I've never been in Brazil before and don't have any contacts there
Oh shit, nice man. Their training is very fierce.
EDIT: I want to go back to Rio, but I think the only time I'll have is during the Olympics. :/
You trained their before or know people who have? I hope it's not too intense as I want to be able to train as many times as possibly per day to take home as much technical improvements as possible. The limiting factor as far as I see it is how many hours on the mat per day my body can take.
Hey man, send me a PM when you get to rio, lets get toghether and smoke a joint
i trained Judo for a long time (10years) and then switched to BJJ, its fun, good for cardio and flexibility.. I used to grapple with my girlfriend (she hasnt done anything before) and she liked it so much that she started training Judo and after half a year she has won a local tournament.. then she went to college so she gave up, but I was very proud of her at that time
I hurt my knee a year ago, cant train anymore. I used to grapple with my friend, he was 2 time olympian in Judo and it was pretty close. So I told myself I had olympic-level newaza and retired happy with my BJJ carreer
maybe in the future after a knee surgery and with more free time I will start again, sometimes I miss the physical training and competitions very much
On May 30 2011 05:08 D10 wrote: Krav Maga is not useless, but its a falacy to think its anything else than a couple of self defense mannouvers, in a fight, the BJJ guy would sub the Krav Maga guy 9 out of 10 times
In a fight? A fight with zero rules? A fight isn't staged around rules.. Krav Maga allows the fighter to use and do anything: bottles, daggers, kicks to the groin, eye-gouging, biting etc etc. Fighting is not about submitting someone, fighting is about being the person able to stand up and walk away (while the other person is either unconcious or dead of course). Krav Maga is created for that kind of situations.
Competition != reality. Far from it. Krav Maga is not trained as a sport. It's trained by military specialists all over the world and it's goal is to be as destructive as possible.
To all BJJ practitioners: is there a BJJ style that is purely martial and has an answer to attacks from multiple people? Most stuff on BJJ focusses so hard on ground fighting that I'm having a hard time taking it seriously from a purely martial point of view, mainly because of the focus on going to the ground ASAP (which is plain stupid when there is more than one attacker).
EDIT: I'm an avid Aikido practitioner, though not too fond of the overly esotheric side of the art. Mainly interested in the martial side of it.
On May 30 2011 05:08 D10 wrote: Krav Maga is not useless, but its a falacy to think its anything else than a couple of self defense mannouvers, in a fight, the BJJ guy would sub the Krav Maga guy 9 out of 10 times
In a fight? A fight with zero rules? A fight isn't staged around rules.. Krav Maga allows the fighter to use and do anything: bottles, daggers, kicks to the groin, eye-gouging, biting etc etc. Fighting is not about submitting someone, fighting is about being the person able to stand up and walk away.
Competition != reality. Far from it. Krav Maga is not trained as a sport. It's trained by military specialists all over the world and it's goal is to be as destructive as possible.
This. Also BJJ has little capacity to defeat multiple opponents. Not to dog on it, I would lose easily to a BJJ practitioner. But Krav is no sport, not for a casual bar fight or fight between friends.
Did Judo from about the time I was 4-5. Started MMA a few years ago and had a few fights but didn't think it was for me but I really, really, really loved boxing and started doing it competitively for the last 3-4 years.
I would choose MMA with some dirty techniques over krav maga any time.. i think the sparring and competition aspects which could be utilized in MMA matches are much better preparation for real combat than learning krav maga moves only..
my friends who are in army and are taught some military combat moves totally sucked when we did sparring (with almost no rules) because they couldnt implement anything.. just my experience
To all BJJ practitioners: is there a BJJ style that is purely martial and has an answer to attacks from multiple people
there are techniques in BJJ which focus on dirty real combats and self-defense (these are mostly from japanese jiu jitsu) but it depends on the school how much it incorporates them into training process.
On May 30 2011 06:30 sTromSK wrote: I would choose MMA with some dirty techniques over krav maga any time.. i think the sparring and competition aspects which could be utilized in MMA matches are much better preparation for real combat than learning krav maga moves only..
my friends who are in army and are taught some military combat moves totally sucked when we did sparring (with almost no rules) because they couldnt implement anything.. just my experience
To all BJJ practitioners: is there a BJJ style that is purely martial and has an answer to attacks from multiple people
there are techniques in BJJ which focus on dirty real combats and self-defense (these are mostly from japanese jiu jitsu) but it depends on the school how much it incorporates them into training process.
How long did they spend working on their techniques? Krav is also designed to be taught pretty quickly I thought? If you're experienced and a boss, it'd be hard for them to compete.
Sambo for like 5 years on and off. MMA every day for the past 3.5 years. Boxing and MT for like 3 years now. Done a lot of BJJ and greco-roman as well. MMA is my life.
Massive shout out to all BJJ practitioners! It's human chess at it's finest and I've met some of the most humble guys in my life from it.
On May 30 2011 06:30 sTromSK wrote: I would choose MMA with some dirty techniques over krav maga any time.. i think the sparring and competition aspects which could be utilized in MMA matches are much better preparation for real combat than learning krav maga moves only..
my friends who are in army and are taught some military combat moves totally sucked when we did sparring (with almost no rules) because they couldnt implement anything.. just my experience
To all BJJ practitioners: is there a BJJ style that is purely martial and has an answer to attacks from multiple people
there are techniques in BJJ which focus on dirty real combats and self-defense (these are mostly from japanese jiu jitsu) but it depends on the school how much it incorporates them into training process.
Thing is, MMA takes a while to become good at (I'm not fond of it but I will admit that it is quite technical). Krav Maga is made so people can actually learn it from an instruction booklet in a matter of weeks. It's made to be both easy to learn and lethally effective. There's a huge focus on physical conditioning. People who train in Krav Maga don't train for the same reasons others train MMA. You cannot spend a few years training soldiers in MMA while most combat is done with rifles.. That's a huge waste of time and resources.
Combat is more than dirty tricks.. It's about disabling an attacker as quickly and effectively as possible. Preferably in one attack. There's no time for jabbing... Every second wasted is one you could get overwhelmed by your opponent's friends.
MMA is made for a competitive environment, Krav Maga is geared to soldiers.
Have you got any videos about that more martial BJJ? I'm actually really curious about it.
For the love of god I hope this doesn't turn in to a one martial art vs the other. Or the famous MMA vs Krav Maga. Or even do you think Fedor could beat Bruce Lee? Can we just stick to BJJ please.
i dont want to generalize too much.. it always depends on each person and his ability to use particular martial art in a fight..
but 5 years of active training of MMA gives you more fighting experience than 5 years of training krav maga without sparring
the art i dont like very much is WT, its philosophy of being extremely efficient is great but it totally falls on the training methods and the art itself. You just cant learn "how to defend a takedown" when there is no wrestler in the gym who could actually take someone down and you cant knockout a boxer because youve never fought one.. (extreme examples but you get the point) WT and Krav Maga can prepare you mentally and you can have the advantage of knowing what to do and can really surprise even more skilled oponnent but if you dont manage to do it you will have a hard time..
in competitions you utilize only those techniques which really work and can win you the match, master them against an oponnent who actively tries to defend and counterattack..
On May 30 2011 06:42 Dr.Lettuce wrote: For the love of god I hope this doesn't turn in to a one martial art vs the other. Or the famous MMA vs Krav Maga. Or even do you think Fedor could beat Bruce Lee? Can we just stick to BJJ please.
If you read the posts, it's not about X vs Y.
We are merely highlighting the different origins of Krav Maga and MMA, and indirectly why it's useless comparing them.
Thing is, MMA takes a while to become good at (I'm not fond of it but I will admit that it is quite technical). Krav Maga is made so people can actually learn it from an instruction booklet in a matter of weeks. It's made to be both easy to learn and lethally effective. There's a huge focus on physical conditioning. People who train in Krav Maga don't train for the same reasons others train MMA. You cannot spend a few years training soldiers in MMA while most combat is done with rifles.. That's a huge waste of time and resources.
On May 30 2011 01:14 FallDownMarigold wrote: BJJ and MMA club at school. Did BJJ officially at a gym for one summer, got a couple stripes on my white belt, lol. Belts mean a lot more in BJJ. Should take about 1-2 yrs to advance from white to blue if you are actually at a legit place with a legit instructor. Should take 10+ to get black if you devote yourself to it.
You know someone's full of shit when they tell you they got their blue belt 5 weeks in, or that they'll "be getting a black belt" in a "couple years" with BJJ. It's not like TKD where 12 year olds run around in black belts - I think that's good. Much more realistic and meaningful. There's also a major teaching component involved. It's not all about how many moves you know, how well you compete. It's also about how well you teach others.
First of all, why do you need to insult TKD.
Secondly, you really know alot about it juding by your last lines... /sarcasm
Btw, for your knowledge, ITF is full contact.
P.S. Kids in black belts is a rare thing, and those who have them have great technique and knowledge at that age. Imagine them at your age.
P.P.S. Both vids are cool, but you have to train these things seriously for years and have a mindset to do it/risk your own life (and possibly not just yours) in such situation. Thing is - learning something like this from a vid is a naive, casual attitude which will land you in trouble. And doing something against a gun as a usual trainee... suicide.
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1) Not insulting TKD. Best friend is 21 yrs old, third degree black belt in TKD. Been to many of his practices to watch and also to spar/grapple. Also have been to his competitions. I know about full contact sparring events, point sparring, etc. He has also taught me techniques.
2) Point about belts was to emphasize that I like the relative simplicity of BJJ belt rankings compared with what I feel is superfluous in TKD. White -> blue -> purple -> brown -> black. I prefer that to TKD full rainbow + degrees of ranks. You aren't allowed to complain about my personal preference/opinion about that. It's my personal taste, not yours. It's not an insult to TKD and I find it funny that you think such a thing. I prefer BJJ belt system to TKD belt system. End of story.
3) Not sure how high level your TKD school is, but my aforementioned friend's has plenty of young kids with black belts. He's had his since around 6th or 7th grade, maybe before. Cho's TKD, perhaps you've heard of him - he's one of the few true masters of TKD. It's one of his schools.
4) Regarding my "last lines", BJJ does heavily emphasize the teaching side of the sport, at least in a non-MMA, more art-oriented driven gym.
On May 30 2011 06:45 sTromSK wrote: i dont want to generalize too much.. it always depends on each person and his ability to use particular martial art in a fight..
but 5 years of active training of MMA gives you more fighting experience than 5 years of training krav maga without sparring
the art i dont like very much is WT, its philosophy of being extremely efficient is great but it totally falls on the training methods and the art itself. You just cant learn "how to defend a takedown" when there is no wrestler in the gym who could actually take someone down and you cant knockout a boxer because youve never fought one.. (extreme examples but you get the point) WT and Krav Maga can prepare you mentally and you can have the advantage of knowing what to do and can really surprise even more skilled oponnent but if you dont manage to do it you will have a hard time..
in competitions you utilize only those techniques which really work and can win you the match, master them against an oponnent who actively tries to defend and counterattack..
Stop thinking in terms of competition when mentioning Krav Maga. It's not made for that. It's not made for takedowns, it's made for KILLING.
There's a huge difference in mindset between competition martial arts, or fighting sports, and, well, battlefield martial arts.
I've said it before, comparing the two is rather useless because of the different contexts they were founded in.
EDIT: it's kind of hard to spar in an art that actually has you lethally harm the attacker. It wouldn't be much fun, would it?
On May 30 2011 06:42 Dr.Lettuce wrote: For the love of god I hope this doesn't turn in to a one martial art vs the other. Or the famous MMA vs Krav Maga. Or even do you think Fedor could beat Bruce Lee? Can we just stick to BJJ please.
On May 30 2011 06:45 sTromSK wrote: i dont want to generalize too much.. it always depends on each person and his ability to use particular martial art in a fight..
but 5 years of active training of MMA gives you more fighting experience than 5 years of training krav maga without sparring
the art i dont like very much is WT, its philosophy of being extremely efficient is great but it totally falls on the training methods and the art itself. You just cant learn "how to defend a takedown" when there is no wrestler in the gym who could actually take someone down and you cant knockout a boxer because youve never fought one.. (extreme examples but you get the point) WT and Krav Maga can prepare you mentally and you can have the advantage of knowing what to do and can really surprise even more skilled oponnent but if you dont manage to do it you will have a hard time..
in competitions you utilize only those techniques which really work and can win you the match, master them against an oponnent who actively tries to defend and counterattack..
Stop thinking in terms of competition when mentioning Krav Maga. It's not made for that. It's not made for takedowns, it's made for KILLING.
I was talking about what I think can prepare you better for the killing.. if you didnt break someones arm in the sparring (or forced the person to tap) the odds are you aint doing it against someone who actually defended this kind of attack many times before (similiar with other techniques). Therefore the killing isnt that simple..
of course there is a reason krav maga is taught in armies all over the world, was already mentioned. Context Im talking about is a little bit different
Taekwondo for 2 years, changed to Wingchun a few months ago, however I'm not sure if it's for me. There's very little sparring (at least at the start), it's not very athletic (at least in my club) and doesn't really train you to take hits, altho ur arms and fist do get tougher from all the bare-knuckled training we do. Might be trying Muay Thai later on. I love martial arts, always wanted to do it as a child but never found a good opportunity to
On May 30 2011 06:45 sTromSK wrote: i dont want to generalize too much.. it always depends on each person and his ability to use particular martial art in a fight..
but 5 years of active training of MMA gives you more fighting experience than 5 years of training krav maga without sparring
the art i dont like very much is WT, its philosophy of being extremely efficient is great but it totally falls on the training methods and the art itself. You just cant learn "how to defend a takedown" when there is no wrestler in the gym who could actually take someone down and you cant knockout a boxer because youve never fought one.. (extreme examples but you get the point) WT and Krav Maga can prepare you mentally and you can have the advantage of knowing what to do and can really surprise even more skilled oponnent but if you dont manage to do it you will have a hard time..
in competitions you utilize only those techniques which really work and can win you the match, master them against an oponnent who actively tries to defend and counterattack..
Stop thinking in terms of competition when mentioning Krav Maga. It's not made for that. It's not made for takedowns, it's made for KILLING.
I was talking about what I think can prepare you better for the killing.. if you didnt break someones arm in the training (or forced the person to tap) the odds are you aint doing it against someone who actually defended this kind of attack many times before (similiar with other techniques). Therefore the killing isnt that simple..
of course there is a reason krav maga is taught in armies all over the world, was already mentioned. Context Im talking about is a little bit different
I'm not that experienced with sparring since I practice a martial art that doesn't do it at all (aikido).. or at least not in the traditional way. We spar in the sense that we attack with intent (if you're not moving, it'll hit pretty damn hard) and won't go down if a technique is not executed well. Most of my training is dedicated to being a good uke (attacker), which has given me a lot of insight in most techniques.
What I learned is as follows: 1) when you attack, attack with the intent to seriously hurt your training partner if he doesn't move. Some people need this kind of motivation to actually move aside.
2) when atemi (fake punches meant to temporarily unbalance and/or surprise the attacker) are given, evade rather than try to block them or bend. Evading and getting your composure back (meaning that you're ready for another attack) will teach Tori (the defending person; the one who executes the technique) to a) react to attackers who know what they're doing and b) to stay in a good composure themselves.
3) (in the vein of 2) always try to stay centered (= keep a good composure) and keep (eye) contact with Tori. This keeps it real for tori (an attacker should always keep attempting to land a blow on the defender in order to keep it real) while teaching uke the deeper dynamics of a technique; ie. if the defender does this, I can get out this way so I should try to avoid doing this when I'm in the role of the defender.
4) if you can no longer get into a decent composure and you can roll out of a lock, do so. Rolling out of a lock will allow you to get your composure back and launch another attack at Tori. If a technique is good, you should not be able to roll out of it, unless the nature of the technique is to throw uke, of course.
5) Neither tori nor uke will learn anything if all uke does is merely resist the technique. Uke will end up focussing so much on resisting that he will forget how open he is to punches and kicks from tori. Instead of resisting, try to find a safe opening to either release yourself or launch a decisive attack at tori while going with the technique. Aikido is about non-resistance and that also counts for Uke. If no such opening can be found it means that tori was successfully able to restrain you.
6) Use ukemi (rolling & doing breakfalls) only to escape a position that is unfavorable to you. Do not roll or do a break fall when it is not necessary. It looks good but it's martially completely useless.
There's probably more but I can't think of it right now. The gist of it is really composure, composure, composure. The role of attacker is generally hugely underestimated in Aikido.
EDIT: why the fuck am I writing this on a starcraft 2 forum? -.-"
I have been boxing for 10 years, Dutch kickboxing for 4, muay thai for 3, catch wrestling for 3, jiu jitsu no gi for 1 year. Competed in grappling tournaments soon gonna grappler's quest in las vegas and stopped doing mma due to my son being born and finishing my career.
I did BJJ for a few months on and off because I kept moving and couldn't consistently stay at one gym. Shawn Williams owns an MMA gym near my area (didn't know who he was until I did a free trial week there, apparently he's really big in the jiu jitsu scene). I plan to go back when I'm in the states again but I'm in Korea right now and MMA/BJJ gyms seem to be rare
On May 30 2011 08:32 Kukaracha wrote: Just a question for those training in Krav Maga: if you're not a soldier, then why are you learning it?
So they can brag about how they could masterfully defeat 5 man armed with daggers by kicking them on the balls, poking them in the eyes, attacking the throath and etc...
as if all those things didnt exist in BJJ or even other MAs, they just dont teach em at every corner because well, successfull MAs have things where you can compete at, and those are given all the space in media, training.
a BJJ black belt will poke your eyes and twist your balls but he will do that while being a black belt in BJJ so by trying to defend your eye poke you will be opening yourself for other subs, the Krav Maga guy is totally out of his envyroment in the moment there isnt someone rushing into him like a retard.
On May 30 2011 08:32 Kukaracha wrote: Just a question for those training in Krav Maga: if you're not a soldier, then why are you learning it?
So they can brag about how they could masterfully defeat 5 man armed with daggers by kicking them on the balls, poking them in the eyes, attacking the throath and etc...
as if all those things didnt exist in BJJ or even other MAs, they just dont teach em at every corner because well, successfull MAs have things where you can compete at, and those are given all the space in media, training.
a BJJ black belt will poke your eyes and twist your balls but he will do that while being a black belt in BJJ so by trying to defend your eye poke you will be opening yourself for other subs, the Krav Maga guy is totally out of his envyroment in the moment there isnt someone rushing into him like a retard.
You really don't read anything that has been said in this thread, don't you? You cannot compare Krav Maga and BJJ in a competitive environment, unless you give the Krav Maga guy access to a knife, base ball bat or the likes. You'd basically have to pit an armed mossad operative against an unarmed bjj specialist.
One of the "rules" of krav maga: if you or another person is under attack, use ANY MEANS NECESSARY to dispose of the attacker. That includes weapons you may have on you.
You cannot compete at Krav Maga, but it is sheer arrogance to say that a martial art that is trained by soldiers around the world, including elite units, is ineffective just because it doesn't work in the ring.
A black belt in BJJ will not poke eyes and will not twist someone's balls mainly because they are not conditioned to do so. Martial arts is purely conditioning your body to react to a certain threat in a certain way. Fights are over in mere seconds. If you don't have the reflex of going for someone's eyes or groin, you won't go for it. You'll resort to what you've been training the last couple of years, which in BJJ is going to the ground and hoping your attacker did not bring any friends. I could say the same with my aikido: yeah I could kick him there or throw a punch there, but I won't. I just won't. I'm not conditioned to do so.
I suggest you read this. The most important line in the article is this one:
Anytime you go for the opponent’s legs, you have no choice but to expose your head, neck and spine. Even the mildly experienced street punk knows how to counter-attack with devastating results when the opponents makes such a glaring mistake. But since UFC and other competitive formats don't allow striking to the back of the head or spine, BJJ players can get away with it.
The conclusion of the article (which has a lot of valid points) is: BJJ is good inside the ring, incredibly flawed in a real situation, and not superior to any other grappling martial art.
On May 30 2011 16:15 maartendq wrote: A black belt in BJJ will not poke eyes and will not twist someone's balls mainly because they are not conditioned to do so. .
The black belts you know, who fight under competitions, thats what you are not understanding.
You should know the BJJ BOPE uses isnt the same you see in competition, for instance, the old school BJJ used in Vale Tudo fights was way more hardcore than you imagine.
Krav Maga is just a few manneuvers, it doesnt give you all the knowledge you require to be able to properly fight an able opponent.
First of all, how exactly are you ''conditioned'' to go for the eye poke or the groin, if you can't actually practice it against other trained professionals? If you're not a soldier in Israel, Chechnya, Somalia, Iraq or the likes, you have no business training Krav Maga. You simply can't practice it efficiently. That's why in the middle class modern world in which the most that can happen to you is a bar fight or getting mugged, a person who trains and competes against other proffesionals regularly (BJJ, Judo, Sambo, TKD etc...) will have the upper hand in unarmed combat situation. Even if it is a knife fight, I would pick a sport martial artist over any thug. The distance control and reflexes will be so much better anyway, unless the thug is a Silat master or something.
Don't think a Judoka won't stomp his foot in your groin after he broke your ribs on the concrete, or a wrestler won't bite your face off after double legging you. You can't stop a takedown if you don't know how to sprawl properly, thinking that you would knee him or hit him in the spine or the back of the head. That's what every non-grappler wants to believe.
EDIT: Also I believe the U.S Marines and BOPE train BJJ. Spetz Naz trains Sambo
I suggest you read this. The most important line in the article is this one: Anytime you go for the opponent’s legs, you have no choice but to expose your head, neck and spine. Even the mildly experienced street punk knows how to counter-attack with devastating results when the opponents makes such a glaring mistake. But since UFC and other competitive formats don't allow striking to the back of the head or spine, BJJ players can get away with i
this "most important line in the article" fails miserably - the first UFCs were almost no rules and see what happened - Royce submitted everyone (and those were no "mildly skilled street punks" but more or less world champs) while being smaller and lighter.. Today MMA's restricted moves like no kicking or kneeing of a downed oponnent, no strikes to the back of the head, no hair grab etc. take MMA much further from real street fighting than biting or eye-gouging which were not allowed in early UFCs. You just cant master those two things and suddenly become superior to everybody
Also the Gracie family tried to legitimize their art during 20th century and went from school to school showing effectivness of BJJ (watch the documentary Gracie Jiu Jitsu in action).
im not saying BJJ is the best martial art (eg trying to defend using BJJ while attacked by multiple opponents is its big weakness, i give this fact the article..), I just think youre wrong with your point that Krav Maga is that deadly, because ... see my earlier posts
but i dont agree the only reason to learn krav maga is being in the army, another legitimate reason is that it can be used as an effective self defense system..
also:
a BJJ black belt will poke your eyes and twist your balls but he will do that while being a black belt in BJJ..
Amateur k-1 fighter here. I just started BJJ last month to learn some ground game since a grappling team joined our kickboxing gym. It's funny to see how helpless we are on the ground and how clumsy and timid they are on their feet MMA for the win!
As for the entire Krav Maga debate - if you don't spar then you can't fight. It's that simple.
Just like sex. You can theorycraft for ten years with Ron Jeremy and become a PhD virgin but at the sight of punani you'll shit your pants and jizz before you can say "ohnoes" :p
If you want to see how martial arts perform in practice watch a UFC card. Those guys know how to fight and that's how real fighting looks like. The whole eye gouging and ball twisting is more or less nonsense. Have fun trying to grab Jon Jones by the balls lol.
When an adept standup fighter is destroying you with sick footwork and power strikes or a BJJ black belt is manhandling you like a two dollar hooker the last thing you'll be able to do is pull off some fancy eye poking.
I'd also like to stress that it's plain silly to learn that kind of self defense as a preventive measure.
its up to you how much of "that kind of self-defense" you do impose on the enemy.. if you are attacked by a knife or a gun then use your fucking krav maga skills.. whats wrong with that?
Except that those are extreme situations that 1)hopefully don't occur very often, why pay and train for that? 2)Will mess with your reflexes and your mindset; you will probably make mistakes, which will probably result in more harm 3)Will make you take the wrong decisions that will go beyond your control, as in killing someone and going to jail, or trying to be a hero and get someone, or yourself, killed.
All in all I don't see the point in training yourself like the soldiers who are at war, other then being paranoid/trying to deal with your paranoia.
If you're attacked by a knife or a gun, run. If you can't, well, it's like a car accident. And you still can get away with it by just giving what the agressor wants, for example.
Are you going to pay and spend 50$ and several hours a week to learn how to react in case you happen to be in a plane crash? Or how to survive alone in the jungle, even though you live in NYC?
Many other martial arts deal with situations that are much closer to everyday life, and teach you much more than just how to theoretically kill your opponent: respect, hard work, endurance, humility, willpower. And they also teach you how to deal with a knife. They just don't cover the case of you being threatened by a giant armed with a giant bazooka.
On May 31 2011 06:11 Kukaracha wrote: Except that those are extreme situations that 1)hopefully don't occur very often, why pay and train for that? 2)Will mess with your reflexes and your mindset; you will probably make mistakes, which will probably result in more harm 3)Will make you take the wrong decisions that will go beyond your control, as in killing someone and going to jail, or trying to be a hero and get someone, or yourself, killed.
All in all I don't see the point in training yourself like the soldiers who are at war, other then being paranoid/trying to deal with your paranoia.
If you're attacked by a knife or a gun, run. If you can't, well, it's like a car accident. And you still can get away with it by just giving what the agressor wants, for example.
Are you going to pay and spend 50$ and several hours a week to learn how to react in case you happen to be in a plane crash? Or how to survive alone in the jungle, even though you live in NYC?
Many other martial arts deal with situations that are much closer to everyday life, and teach you much more than just how to theoretically kill your opponent: respect, hard work, endurance, humility, willpower. And they also teach you how to deal with a knife. They just don't cover the case of you being threatened by a giant armed with a giant bazooka.
1) it boosts your confidence, its fun, you live somewhere where it is not that rare to be attacked, no other MA school is around or someone really skilled teaches it, you like the style of this MA.. just few reasons
2) you are completely wrong here imo.. not only because you could argue this way about every other martial art but I think if you are aware of your skills you can estimate the amount of violence needed to take your enemy out.. of course tragic accidents happen, but its the nature of streetfights or someone being an idiot which cause them, not the martial art itself.. you wouldnt blame the gun if someone unnessecarily shot somebody in the head instead of a leg
3) so not training krav maga makes you do better decisions?
and with that (imo very bad) car accident analogy.. you can always buy a car which is safer, drive slower etc.. in other words minimize the risk of something - you know the concept
if the aggresor wants to rape your wife.. well fair enough, lets give it to him
and its not like people play paintball or train gun schooting because they are preparing for war or someone is a runner because he is afraid of being caught
Everyday life differs enormously between regions in the world. Western Europe is paradise compared to a south american favella. Martial arts are generally born in areas that have known conflict for quite some time.
@kickboxer: define "being able to fight". My definition is being able to find openings that allow me to stay in control of the confrontation, allowing me to get away unharmed (the Gump-doctrine, also known as "run, Forrest, run!"). Staying in control for me means either maintaining a distance I'm trained in or throwing/pushing the attacker so I can get away. Since my ground work plain sucks (it's good enough to overwhelm untrained people but I'd rather not risk it; on top of that ground work kind of negates a lot of exit strategies) I will avoid going to the ground as much as I can. Distance is key here.
My guess is that yours is somewhat more competitive in nature.
I mainly train martial arts for the fun of it. The only competition I'm interested in is overcoming my own limitations bit by bit. I don't get why so many people can't grasp the fact that not everyone trains martial arts to learn how to fight. Seriously, the city I live in safe (and boring) as can be. 70% of the population is either below 18 or above 50. The worst thing that could happen is that you get shouted at by a bunch of drunk sixteen-year-olds.
Before anyone starts complaining about what I train I would like to say that I respect a LOT BJJ, kickboxing, boxing and almost every kind of fighting styles I personally wouldn't try to fight face to face with any of those bare handed.
What I do is bujinkan budo taijutsu (poorly called ninjutsu - since there is that shit called American Ninjutsu lol).
It's true that we don't actually get into fight but we do spar, rarely but we do.
Anyway, this type of martial arts aren't for competing. You just can't use your lighter and turn it on near your oponent face, or grab a ashtray and smash it into his skull, or grab somebody from the croud and use him as cover, or sneak attack him from the back (what the fuck, i'm trying to survive, not to fight with honor)
If there is something that bujinkan taught me is to survive, and as far as I know, getting into fights every night ain't going to get you anywhere in your life.
and the master of anderson silva (UFC 28 wins 4 loss (16)TKO) is an aikido 8th dan that doesn't compete, funny huh.
And hell yeah BJJ rocks, I have many friends from Fortaleza-Brasil that train that and I have a hell of a fun time sparring with them
Sad how every MA thread is destined to go down the "my style owns, yours suck" swamp...
Anyway, landed in brazil. Had my first class with the gringos here. Basicly just sparring this time. Had my ass whooped quite a lot. Very humid, very sticky. Quite fun.
Edit: I also met a decent german brood war player who also trains here. Seems I have to buy a mouse to my computer...
White belt (gi). Muay thai for a year before that, and JKD for 2 years before that.
A heads up to all jiujitsu players and fans, the world championships are this weekend. Budovideos.com will be hosting the match stream (as usual), and you can tune in on Saturday for free... so check it out!
The lineups look great. Some insane brackets:
Pena Bracket 2: Tanquinho, Batata,Ryan Hall, Frazatto, Renato Tavares. SICK Medio Bracket 3: Calasans, Clark Gracie, and Murilo Santana... this bracket is just f'ing brutal
On June 02 2011 11:11 Tsuycc wrote: I would wanna do Jeet Kune Do
Does anyone have any experience with it and could possible share their thoughts?
I did JKD for 2 years - it's a lot of fun. It's based on ideas that actually work, borrowing from all martial arts, and is very self-defense oriented (as opposed to sport-oriented). It's also very focused on sparring, so realize that you will be getting into controlled fights in your classes and will most definitely get cracked in the nose... but you'll have a blast.
Ive done BJJ for about 3 years. My Wrestling coach in highschool taught Judo so after highschool ended I started practicing Judo for a year or so. Then my Judo instructor had to move so he recommended me to a buddy of his who was a BJJ instructor. All 3 sports are very fun but I must admit that I like BJJ the most and it has a very practical real life application. I competed in a few small tournaments, nothing special but I had a great time doing so.
On June 02 2011 11:51 Machine[USA] wrote: Ive done BJJ for about 3 years. My Wrestling coach in highschool taught Judo so after highschool ended I started practicing Judo for a year or so. Then my Judo instructor had to move so he recommended me to a buddy of his who was a BJJ instructor. All 3 sports are very fun but I must admit that I like BJJ the most and it has a very practical real life application. I competed in a few small tournaments, nothing special but I had a great time doing so.
People can say what they want but BJJ is the most exhausting workout I have ever done using so many muscle groups at once is amazing. At the same time it is very fun like you said Machine. I have only been doing about 2 months and had no prior martial arts or wrestling experience but in 2 months I have already gotten my first stripe on my belt :D. Also like you said it has many real life applications. My instructor is a police officer and he said its unfortunate but he has to use many of the things he teaches to restrain people who dont want to go to jail or people who attack him.
whoops didnt realize the last post was last month :X
as a former Jiu Jitsu practicioner (couldn't continue due to several surgeries because of an accident), Jiu Jitsu competition IS the chess of martial arts, if you are in good physical condition you can outsmart people that should normally beat you because they're bigger, stronger, younger, faster, etc, actually you can beat them pretty fucking bad, in that regard I loved it, when I retired from wc3, Jiu Jitsu was my new found love.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and boxing are my main stays. Love grappling as well.
I also have the unique experience to work as a doorman at a bar. The OP is right...it gives you more insight into martial arts then you will ever know.
While I realize this is an old thread I have a couple of new questions.
In the recent interview on "real talk" with idra, he mentions being interested in starting a martial art like bjj. Unfortunately EG isn't keen on the idea of them training because of potential injury to their hands. I've been training for two years now and no one at my school has had a hand injury. As long as you train with people who are not going to spaz, and understand what rolling is, I don't see much in the way of hand injuryes. After all jiu jitsu does translate to mean "the gental art". Does anyone else have a similar experience with this? I guess it may also depend on the school you train at.
The next part I wanted to discuss is the psychological side of bjj. It's like everything that's happened during the day up until class is wiped away. It clears your mind and checks your ego. I am in no way some sort of therapist but if I ran a Starcraft team I would make it mandatory. I personally need it. Do you guys think something like this would help a player like idras mentality?
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