EPTOsama Bin Laden killed - Page 68
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Keep it civil guys. Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans. The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally. Confirmation was as follows - On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive. - photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis - confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan. This thread is specifically dedicated to the details surrounding the raid/his death. | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
On May 02 2011 15:40 QuoC wrote: from here: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/bin.laden.raid/index.html?hpt=T1 The U.S. team was at the compound for about 40 minutes, the officials said. There were no casualties on the American side, although a U.S. helicopter crashed during the raid due to mechanical problems. The helicopter was then destroyed for security reasons, senior administration officials said. did anyone else find this confusing? x.x How is that confusing? They would not have been able to recover the helicopter so they were better off destroying it completely such that the enemies, or potential enemies, in the vicinity would not be able to use it against them in the future. Correct me if I am wrong here, but I always thought this was pretty standard. | ||
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
On May 02 2011 15:36 backtoback wrote: ![[image loading]](http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/227357_10150598618935193_904890192_18579626_642686_n.jpg) see you in 2012 obama!! Hahah oh god, so nice. I wouldn't normally congratulate people who went to war, but congratulations on getting him killed  . The world is slightly less messed up now. | ||
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QuoC
United States724 Posts
On May 02 2011 15:45 Dubzex wrote: How is that confusing? They would not have been able to recover the helicopter so they were better off destroying it completely such that the enemies, or potential enemies, in the vicinity would not be able to use it against them in the future. Correct me if I am wrong here, but I always thought this was pretty standard. ahh ok i see now, makes sense go america! yee haw | ||
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vapeskies
United States18 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On May 02 2011 15:40 QuoC wrote: from here: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/bin.laden.raid/index.html?hpt=T1 The U.S. team was at the compound for about 40 minutes, the officials said. There were no casualties on the American side, although a U.S. helicopter crashed during the raid due to mechanical problems. The helicopter was then destroyed for security reasons, senior administration officials said. did anyone else find this confusing? x.x They can't just leave a US military helicoptor sitting around for anyone to co-opt/disect can they? | ||
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ChinaRestaurant
Austria324 Posts
On May 02 2011 15:45 Dubzex wrote: How is that confusing? They would not have been able to recover the helicopter so they were better off destroying it completely such that the enemies, or potential enemies, in the vicinity would not be able to use it against them in the future. Correct me if I am wrong here, but I always thought this was pretty standard. Only thing dubious about it might be the techinical difficulties, but since theres nothing to be gained by lying about this, i think thats what actually happened. | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
I know he was a misguided and dangerous person, but a summary execution followed by celebrations back home just doesn't sit right with me. Saddam Hussein killed far more people, and for selfish reasons, but he was at least given a show trial. Bin Laden was motivated to orchestrate hit attacks on civilians by political and religious reasons. Instead of celebrating, people should ask themselves what motivates people to turn to terrorism, whether Bin Laden's death is meaningful when viewing those root causes, and whether an empire actually makes the United States safer. I don't have answers to any of these questions, but considering things like this may help to remove the emotional side, the desire for revenge and elation at a mark of US supremacy, which is certainly a good thing. | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On May 02 2011 15:50 thopol wrote: If they knew where he was why didn't they capture him? They went in and started taking fire. Osama himself was firing a weapon. If he came out with his hands up he probably would be in custody right now. | ||
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Dubpace
United States251 Posts
(Please don't take this seriously, I am only making some light in a dark but triumphant situation!) | ||
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relyt
United States1073 Posts
On May 02 2011 15:50 thopol wrote: If they knew where he was why didn't they capture him? I know he was a misguided and dangerous person, but a summary execution followed by celebrations back home just doesn't sit right with me. Saddam Hussein killed far more people, and for selfish reasons, but he was at least given a show trial. Bin Laden was motivated to orchestrate hit attacks on civilians by political and religious reasons. Instead of celebrating, people should ask themselves what motivates people to turn to terrorism, whether Bin Laden's death is meaningful when viewing those root causes, and whether an empire actually makes the United States safer. I don't have answers to any of these questions, but considering things like this may help to remove the emotional side, the desire for revenge and elation at a mark of US supremacy, which is certainly a good thing. It has been stated and reported in many places that there was a firefight. A firefight means people were shooting at each other, that means some people might be killed, including Bin Laden. | ||
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kevconsim
United States317 Posts
On May 02 2011 15:50 thopol wrote: If they knew where he was why didn't they capture him? I know he was a misguided and dangerous person, but a summary execution followed by celebrations back home just doesn't sit right with me. Saddam Hussein killed far more people, and for selfish reasons, but he was at least given a show trial. Bin Laden was motivated to orchestrate hit attacks on civilians by political and religious reasons. Instead of celebrating, people should ask themselves what motivates people to turn to terrorism, whether Bin Laden's death is meaningful when viewing those root causes, and whether an empire actually makes the United States safer. I don't have answers to any of these questions, but considering things like this may help to remove the emotional side, the desire for revenge and elation at a mark of US supremacy, which is certainly a good thing. They got in a gun fight. I dont know about you but if i was in a gunfight i would shoot at them. If he had been captured and not killed in the gunfight then there would have been a trial. EDIT ^Ninja | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On May 02 2011 15:50 thopol wrote: If they knew where he was why didn't they capture him? I know he was a misguided and dangerous person, but a summary execution followed by celebrations back home just doesn't sit right with me. Saddam Hussein killed far more people, and for selfish reasons, but he was at least given a show trial. Bin Laden was motivated to orchestrate hit attacks on civilians by political and religious reasons. Instead of celebrating, people should ask themselves what motivates people to turn to terrorism, whether Bin Laden's death is meaningful when viewing those root causes, and whether an empire actually makes the United States safer. I don't have answers to any of these questions, but considering things like this may help to remove the emotional side, the desire for revenge and elation at a mark of US supremacy, which is certainly a good thing. They cant capture him when hes fighting back.. | ||
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ChinaRestaurant
Austria324 Posts
On May 02 2011 15:50 thopol wrote: If they knew where he was why didn't they capture him? I know he was a misguided and dangerous person, but a summary execution followed by celebrations back home just doesn't sit right with me. Saddam Hussein killed far more people, and for selfish reasons, but he was at least given a show trial. Bin Laden was motivated to orchestrate hit attacks on civilians by political and religious reasons. Instead of celebrating, people should ask themselves what motivates people to turn to terrorism, whether Bin Laden's death is meaningful when viewing those root causes, and whether an empire actually makes the United States safer. I don't have answers to any of these questions, but considering things like this may help to remove the emotional side, the desire for revenge and elation at a mark of US supremacy, which is certainly a good thing. In general i have to agree, a trial would have been a nice display of the democracy the US value so high, but i cant blame them on handling this situation as a kill on sight scenario. In the end he would have been killed anyways. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On May 02 2011 15:52 gogogadgetflow wrote: They went in and started taking fire. Osama himself was firing a weapon. If he came out with his hands up he probably would be in custody right now. We aren't sure what happened (since it was a head shot it could have been an execution), but I am absolutely convinced that they went into that place with the orders that Bin Laden dies, no matter what. I don't think the government wanted either 1. the chance he gets a way or 2. waste millions of dollars and a lot of time on a trial. I can't think of something more moral building for allied forces, and more demoralizing for terrorist, than the picture of his head with a hole in it. It's a win-win. | ||
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jcarlson08
United States267 Posts
On May 02 2011 15:50 gogogadgetflow wrote: They can't just leave a US military helicoptor sitting around for anyone to co-opt/disect can they? These also just weren't any old Army helicopters; They were almost certainly 160th SOAR or other special ops capable aircraft which probably had a host of super classified FLIR and other weapons/navigation systems that normal helicopters wouldn't, so it would be very important to prevent even friendly countries from getting unauthorized access. | ||
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Rodiel3
France1158 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On May 1, 2011, U.S. President Barack Obama announced that Osama bin Laden was killed earlier that day by "a small team of Americans" acting under Obama's direct orders, in a covert operation in Abbottabad, Pakistan, 32 miles (51 km) north of Islamabad,[9][143] affirming earlier confirmation by US officials to the media. According to US officials a team of 20-25 US Navy SEALs under the command of the Joint Special Operations Command and working with the CIA stormed bin Laden's compound in two helicopters. Bin Laden and those with him were killed during a firefight.[144] The site is just a few kilometers from the Pakistan Military Academy in Kakul.[145] DNA from bin Laden's body, compared with DNA samples on record from his dead sister,[146] confirmed bin Laden's identity.[147] The body was recovered by the US military and is in its custody.[143] Only a few kilometers from the Pakistan Military Academy? LOL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden Has some reactions from world leaders. Indians is interesting. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On May 02 2011 15:45 sCCrooked wrote: Kind of sad to see people thinking this is somehow news. Its so deliberately a ploy along the lines of *point*"LOOK AT THE SHINEY OBJECT!". People feeling anything towards this are beyond help... I have no idea what this means. Are you suggesting that he was dead for some undetermined length of time and this is just an opportune time to say it. Or perhaps you believe that this isn't news, and has no impact on anybody? Let people enjoy some good news. There is so little in the world... | ||
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supdubdup
United States916 Posts
On May 02 2011 15:57 On_Slaught wrote: From the wiki: On May 1, 2011, U.S. President Barack Obama announced that Osama bin Laden was killed earlier that day by "a small team of Americans" acting under Obama's direct orders, in a covert operation in Abbottabad, Pakistan, 32 miles (51 km) north of Islamabad,[9][143] affirming earlier confirmation by US officials to the media. According to US officials a team of 20-25 US Navy SEALs under the command of the Joint Special Operations Command and working with the CIA stormed bin Laden's compound in two helicopters. Bin Laden and those with him were killed during a firefight.[144] The site is just a few kilometers from the Pakistan Military Academy in Kakul.[145] DNA from bin Laden's body, compared with DNA samples on record from his dead sister,[146] confirmed bin Laden's identity.[147] The body was recovered by the US military and is in its custody.[143] Only a few kilometers from the Pakistan Military Academy? LOL Damn, Obama's direct orders. Baller Millitary President, 2012 ! | ||
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