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deerpark87
Profile Joined January 2011
760 Posts
April 19 2011 19:57 GMT
#41
Well penny stock do exist. Like 1-2 years ago, I brought SIRI or Sirius Radio sub .20s for a bet that it didn't go bankrupt. I later sold it later for about a 3k gain. It's not really investing but i thought it was pretty good for a college student like me to bet using just couple hundred of dollars. My best bet gamble ever...
Razith
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada431 Posts
April 19 2011 20:00 GMT
#42
On April 20 2011 04:48 Molybdenum wrote:

Edit: Razith (3 posts below), thanks, I'll go with one of those options then.


Ya it'll take a lot of knowledge about specific sectors and business participating in them to be able to make safe, substantial returns. It would also require a lot of capital invested.

This is why mutual funds are so popular. Pool all the cash together to have some weight to throw around and then manage it with a team of people who basically dedicate their lives/careers to figuring out what companies to invest into. This is why there is also a hefty front end charge or back end charge associated with mutual funds.
hoemuffin
Profile Joined September 2010
United States72 Posts
April 19 2011 20:00 GMT
#43
On April 20 2011 04:28 chonkyfire wrote:
Did you just make an investing thread and say your portfolio consists of mutual funds?

That kind of screams "I know nothing about investing"

Also penny stocks most certainly do exist, they just need something that is going to end up making them money. There are all kinds of biotech stocks that are penny stocks right now that could very well see a 500% increase in value over the next year.

High yielding stocks are great, if you have a lot of money invested into them. If you don't have any money invested your not going to see any returns worth writing home about.


Nothing wrong with mutual funds per se, especially if people don't want to devote the time to be stock jockeys. I would lean towards ETF's, but there are certainly good mutual funds out there (and lots of lousy ones).

Penny stocks are proxy call option equivalents. Especially with biotech, unless you are either familiar with the FDA approval process or know a lot about drug development, you are in effect paying for the optionality - and modelling that stuff is an epic pain. Its hard to grab an edge there, and any negative expectation strategy ends up with you losing money in the long run. And even the dollar amount loss in a penny stock can be small, as a % it is large.

For an investor, especially someone who is looking to prepare for retirement as opposed to buying a mega yacht, compound returns over the longest period of time with minimum volatility is the name of the game. Figure out what you want, and then worry about how to get there.

bebe01
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)512 Posts
April 19 2011 20:00 GMT
#44
i sold many aapl shares at 100 dollars for a small gain years ago.. -_- FML
bRuTaL!!
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland588 Posts
April 19 2011 20:01 GMT
#45
On April 20 2011 04:52 chonkyfire wrote:

Mutual funds are not usually aggressive at all. They are for people with 401K stock options. They invest in historically good stocks that have high yields. You think people who run a mutual fund are going to risk people's retirements so they can make more money? Hell no.

If that's your investing philosophy that's fine, but I can tell you right now you're not going to get rich doing that.


Why even bother with penny stocks. Just gamble. You wont be getting rich with the penny stocks either if you start with $5,000. MOst likely youll just lose it all. I think everyones plan is to get wealthier, not rich overnight.
Tasteless: "What was it Hans Solo was frozen in? Kryptonite?" Artosis: "Lol, no. Thats the stuff that hurts Batman."
Razith
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada431 Posts
April 19 2011 20:04 GMT
#46
On April 20 2011 05:01 bRuTaL!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2011 04:52 chonkyfire wrote:

Mutual funds are not usually aggressive at all. They are for people with 401K stock options. They invest in historically good stocks that have high yields. You think people who run a mutual fund are going to risk people's retirements so they can make more money? Hell no.

If that's your investing philosophy that's fine, but I can tell you right now you're not going to get rich doing that.


Why even bother with penny stocks. Just gamble. You wont be getting rich with the penny stocks either if you start with $5,000. MOst likely youll just lose it all. I think everyones plan is to get wealthier, not rich overnight.


I love the perception of being able to make a million overnight, just adds to the mystery of the markets .

Penny stocks is like picking horses. Its like day trading. Its more like gambling than investing.
happyft
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States470 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-19 20:12:35
April 19 2011 20:04 GMT
#47
On April 20 2011 04:31 bRuTaL!! wrote:
My portfolio is now up 80% in the last two+ years. Now thought Im kind of at a loss with what to do. Usually the market is pretty easy to time. The whole EU and US debt thing. Rising oil. Possible instability in China: its housing market and inflation.


Seems like we're in the same boat (though you seem to keep track of macro trends more than I do, or at least emphasize it more than I do). Rising energy prices seems to have put a dampener on construction/industrial spending at the very least from what I can tell. And yeah I'm concerned over China as well -- TV sales there haven't been as great as they should be, it seems like consumer spending over there is pulling back a little bit.

But the thing is, I can't really point to anything that would cause me to go bearish on the market either. And you never know when suddenly everyone gets optimistic again. So it's like, I'm not gonna go net-short ... and I don't want to go neutral either cuz I'm not miss out on a run ... but I'm worried cuz I don't think the market can go higher from here. lol talk about being indecisive, no wonder the markets are so choppy if everyone else is feeling like we do =P

Btw just curious, what are you in right now?
BrenttheGreat
Profile Joined July 2010
United States150 Posts
April 19 2011 20:15 GMT
#48
I have invested tens of thousands of dollars for nearly a decade. I strongly suggest keeping your stocks and mutual funds diversified. Do not put all your eggs in one basket. If you do you will feel like a genius when things are great, but when something happens over night you will beat yourself up for years. Unless you have a lot of time to put in doing research and you really feel like you know what you are doing I would stick with mutual funds. Find several diversified mutual funds with a 10+ year long track record of good growth. It will be tempting to look at them every single day and want to change them constantly but let them be. Over the space of several years you will see them grow and you will easily beat the 1% the savings accounts are offering. If you are not familiar with compound interest and how powerful it is you should crunch some numbers. Google "compound interest calculator" and see how powerful it is. Right now most of you have time on your side. You are still young. Save while you can and let compound interest do the work. Saving a decent amount now can mean millions when you retire. Think about the future and you can have a great reward.

Good luck!
buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
April 19 2011 20:16 GMT
#49
On April 20 2011 04:51 happyft wrote:
Heh by your logic, any company that doesn't pay dividends is speculative? So conversely, any company that does pay dividends is not speculative? 'Cuz let me tell you, I've lost a few thousands dollars on T 'cuz I figured, hey its a safe telecom stock, and its dividend yield is 7%! Yeah, no, I definitely lost 10% on that stock. Piece of crap T ... still hate it.


Without dividends, you are counting on the stock to advance. That's pretty much the definition of speculation...

On April 20 2011 04:51 happyft wrote:
AAPL does not rise and fall with Jobs' heartbeat. The stock rises and falls with the iPhone and iPad sales numbers. The play on Jobs health ended back in late '08 to late '09. Remember when Jobs announced he's taking another health leave of absence beginning of this year? Stock didn't even flinch .. and in fact, it rose steadily from $320 to $360 for the few months after that.

You're right, Android has begun taking share especially in the smartphone market, but not even close with the tablet market. Obviously no one can have all the share in the smartphone market -- the more important question is whether the Android OS will be able to provide a user experience that is at least almost as good as the iPhone. I'd argue the App Store is far superior to the Android Store on both # of apps, ease of use, ease of search, and the developers get paid a HUGE amount more with the iPhone (for some reason, Android users don't like to spend money).

But to continue my point -- iPhone market share is really secondary to whether iPhone prices stay at $200-300. If the Android does catchup in all the aforementioned aspects, then carriers can start negotiating with Apple harder and start demanding price concessions, which will directly eat into AAPL's iPhone margins (which provide ~2/3rds of its profit!). That's my real concern on the stock.

Just a side note, Android is easier to develop for b/c the programming langauge is in C/C++, whereas iPhone is in C#. Some argue that iPhone's SDK is better and easier to use, but regardless, all agree that you get paid hundreds, if not thousands times more with the iPhone as a developer.


Lol, no. Android SDK is Java, which is the most common and popular programming language. iPhone SDK is Objective-C, which absolutely NO ONE uses beyond iPhone development. The Apple SDK also does not run natively on windows. Also, Android can be run on any system, none of Apple's proprietary crap. Currently, I feel Android isn't as stable as the iOS, but that could quickly change given the open source nature. Microsoft won the OS wars because they allowed windows to be installed on any hardware. Android will likely win as well in the future.

The explosion of iPhone developer start-ups is IMO somewhat of a bubble. The market will become saturated, and the number of start-up companies will decrease.

Apple already occupies a fringe in the PC market, most of their margin comes from handhelds. If iPhones lose market share to Android devices, and either prices drop to compensate, or market share drops. Neither is desirable

On April 20 2011 04:51 happyft wrote:
Lastly, please, never ever value a company by its trailing 12 month P/E. Either use forward 12 months, or even two years out, or whatever you believe a company's stable real long-term earnings potential number is.


You are then speculating that the company will meet the predicted margins? Shouldn't you be examining all data available to you anyways?
chonkyfire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States451 Posts
April 19 2011 20:16 GMT
#50
On April 20 2011 05:01 bRuTaL!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2011 04:52 chonkyfire wrote:

Mutual funds are not usually aggressive at all. They are for people with 401K stock options. They invest in historically good stocks that have high yields. You think people who run a mutual fund are going to risk people's retirements so they can make more money? Hell no.

If that's your investing philosophy that's fine, but I can tell you right now you're not going to get rich doing that.


Why even bother with penny stocks. Just gamble. You wont be getting rich with the penny stocks either if you start with $5,000. MOst likely youll just lose it all. I think everyones plan is to get wealthier, not rich overnight.


I don't think investing in penny stocks is necessarily get rich quick plan.

If there is a small pharma company that's trading 60 cents a share, but has a drug promising drug that they could get a patent for in the next year or two, that stock could see a 400-600% increase in value easily. If it happens sell it, you pay 15% capital gains tax and make a ton of money. Obviously you can lose it, but hey fuck it.
Just when I thought that I saw I ghost, I realized that it was the endo smoke
bRuTaL!!
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland588 Posts
April 19 2011 20:16 GMT
#51
On April 20 2011 05:04 happyft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2011 04:31 bRuTaL!! wrote:
My portfolio is now up 80% in the last two+ years. Now thought Im kind of at a loss with what to do. Usually the market is pretty easy to time. The whole EU and US debt thing. Rising oil. Possible instability in China: its housing market and inflation.


Seems like we're in the same boat (though you seem to keep track of macro trends more than I do, or at least emphasize it more than I do). Rising energy prices seems to have put a dampener on construction/industrial spending at the very least from what I can tell. And yeah I'm concerned over China as well -- TV sales there haven't been as great as they should be, it seems like consumer spending over there is pulling back a little bit.

But the thing is, I can't really point to anything that would cause me to go bearish on the market either. And you never know when suddenly everyone gets optimistic again. So it's like, I'm not gonna go net-short ... and I don't want to go neutral either cuz I'm not miss out on a run ... but I'm worried cuz I don't think the market can go higher from here. lol talk about being indecisive, no wonder the markets are so choppy if everyone else is feeling like we do =P


Yeah I study economics as my major in university so I play to my strengths. The problem I have is that the debt thing is just not getting much better. Lately to the contrary. The rabbit hole might be a bit deeper than people thought.
Tasteless: "What was it Hans Solo was frozen in? Kryptonite?" Artosis: "Lol, no. Thats the stuff that hurts Batman."
Sm3agol
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2055 Posts
April 19 2011 20:18 GMT
#52
On April 20 2011 04:35 Hawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2011 04:08 Sm3agol wrote:
I'll take the current nuclear situation as a great example. Nuclear power isn't going anywhere........noone is cancelling currently-under-construction plants, supply isn't going down, and basically nothing practical has changed, and yet the stocks have completely tanked. It's just too random to be accurately predicted by anything. That is why people do it themselves. With a bit of luck you can do far better than the "professionals", and if you do it wisely, with just about the same amount of risk.


maybe you should read up about the past of nuclear history if you think that drop is 'random'. Just because no one has canceled a plant in the two months since the accident doesn't mean that isn't on the horizon.


Its not "random" per se, but nonsensical. Uranium prices were a higher than they should have been before the accident, but the need for it isn't dropping any time soon, and it's WAY undervalued right now. It's dropped well beyond the point of value, and is way into the "baseless worry" right now. Aka, perfect time to pick it up(imo, obviously).
bRuTaL!!
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland588 Posts
April 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#53
On April 20 2011 05:16 chonkyfire wrote:

I don't think investing in penny stocks is necessarily get rich quick plan.

If there is a small pharma company that's trading 60 cents a share, but has a drug promising drug that they could get a patent for in the next year or two, that stock could see a 400-600% increase in value easily. If it happens sell it, you pay 15% capital gains tax and make a ton of money. Obviously you can lose it, but hey fuck it.


If others know the same thing, wouldnt it be priced in already?
Tasteless: "What was it Hans Solo was frozen in? Kryptonite?" Artosis: "Lol, no. Thats the stuff that hurts Batman."
chonkyfire
Profile Joined December 2010
United States451 Posts
April 19 2011 20:27 GMT
#54
On April 20 2011 05:20 bRuTaL!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2011 05:16 chonkyfire wrote:

I don't think investing in penny stocks is necessarily get rich quick plan.

If there is a small pharma company that's trading 60 cents a share, but has a drug promising drug that they could get a patent for in the next year or two, that stock could see a 400-600% increase in value easily. If it happens sell it, you pay 15% capital gains tax and make a ton of money. Obviously you can lose it, but hey fuck it.


If others know the same thing, wouldnt it be priced in already?


Hey you just have to take an interest and try and be ahead of the game.

That's what it is. Everyone who makes big money in the stock market is always playing the game.

Now that I think about it though, maybe nobody should take my investing advice. I'm pretty sure I have different priorities in life from a lot of people.
Just when I thought that I saw I ghost, I realized that it was the endo smoke
happyft
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States470 Posts
April 19 2011 20:35 GMT
#55
On April 20 2011 05:16 buhhy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2011 04:51 happyft wrote:
Heh by your logic, any company that doesn't pay dividends is speculative? So conversely, any company that does pay dividends is not speculative? 'Cuz let me tell you, I've lost a few thousands dollars on T 'cuz I figured, hey its a safe telecom stock, and its dividend yield is 7%! Yeah, no, I definitely lost 10% on that stock. Piece of crap T ... still hate it.


Without dividends, you are counting on the stock to advance. That's pretty much the definition of speculation...

Show nested quote +
On April 20 2011 04:51 happyft wrote:
AAPL does not rise and fall with Jobs' heartbeat. The stock rises and falls with the iPhone and iPad sales numbers. The play on Jobs health ended back in late '08 to late '09. Remember when Jobs announced he's taking another health leave of absence beginning of this year? Stock didn't even flinch .. and in fact, it rose steadily from $320 to $360 for the few months after that.

You're right, Android has begun taking share especially in the smartphone market, but not even close with the tablet market. Obviously no one can have all the share in the smartphone market -- the more important question is whether the Android OS will be able to provide a user experience that is at least almost as good as the iPhone. I'd argue the App Store is far superior to the Android Store on both # of apps, ease of use, ease of search, and the developers get paid a HUGE amount more with the iPhone (for some reason, Android users don't like to spend money).

But to continue my point -- iPhone market share is really secondary to whether iPhone prices stay at $200-300. If the Android does catchup in all the aforementioned aspects, then carriers can start negotiating with Apple harder and start demanding price concessions, which will directly eat into AAPL's iPhone margins (which provide ~2/3rds of its profit!). That's my real concern on the stock.

Just a side note, Android is easier to develop for b/c the programming langauge is in C/C++, whereas iPhone is in C#. Some argue that iPhone's SDK is better and easier to use, but regardless, all agree that you get paid hundreds, if not thousands times more with the iPhone as a developer.


Lol, no. Android SDK is Java, which is the most common and popular programming language. iPhone SDK is Objective-C, which absolutely NO ONE uses beyond iPhone development. The Apple SDK also does not run natively on windows. Also, Android can be run on any system, none of Apple's proprietary crap. Currently, I feel Android isn't as stable as the iOS, but that could quickly change given the open source nature. Microsoft won the OS wars because they allowed windows to be installed on any hardware. Android will likely win as well in the future.

The explosion of iPhone developer start-ups is IMO somewhat of a bubble. The market will become saturated, and the number of start-up companies will decrease.

Apple already occupies a fringe in the PC market, most of their margin comes from handhelds. If iPhones lose market share to Android devices, and either prices drop to compensate, or market share drops. Neither is desirable

Show nested quote +
On April 20 2011 04:51 happyft wrote:
Lastly, please, never ever value a company by its trailing 12 month P/E. Either use forward 12 months, or even two years out, or whatever you believe a company's stable real long-term earnings potential number is.


You are then speculating that the company will meet the predicted margins? Shouldn't you be examining all data available to you anyways?


My apologies, you are correct -- I always get Java and C confused, and C# and objective C confused. But practically, I meant everyone knows Java and nobody knows obj-C.

In any case, if you believe what you argue, then it would be logical for you to think about shorting the stock, as I believe the great majority do not believe Apple will lose pricing power on the iPhone.

In regards to speculation on non-dividend paying stocks -- I am counting on company's earnings to grow. If AAPL ends up earning $30 this year instead of $23, the stock should grow, no? Is that speculation, or making the right call on iPhone and iPad sales based on a collection of data points out of Asia suppliers, NPD research, reading product reviews, analysis of competitive landscape, etc. etc.? Or to put it more simply... if a company is going to earn $1 this year, based on a 14x multiple (market multiple) its stock price could reasonably be $14. If instead the company experiences greater than expected success and earns $2 this year and the year after, shouldn't the stock price rise to $28? (yes, as simple as this sounds, this is actually how the stock market works)

In regards to speculating on EPS and margins -- anybody in finance will tell you that past results are not indicative of future results. And tell me -- what does it matter if a company earned $5 EPS last year if this year they're going to earn $1? All stocks trade on future earnings whether you like it or not, even as inexact as it is. And believe it or not, it's not just financial analysts who predict earnings, but most often these analysts' projections are based on company guidance. Many companies tell you what they think they're going to do next quarter, if not even for the full year. Are they wrong? Yeah, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot. But it's something to go off by, and you gotta use it.

Maybe an analogy will work ... when sports teams make trades for players, are they trading for the player's past performance, or the player's future performance? Think about it.
Wasteweiser
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada522 Posts
April 19 2011 20:35 GMT
#56
Damnit, missed out on BP oil spill stocks, now missing out on nuclear, damn being a student..
Obitus.243
HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
April 19 2011 20:40 GMT
#57
On April 20 2011 03:29 annul wrote:
when i was 13 i almost won the etrade challenge. i came in 53rd (out of 120k~), having led it the entire time until the final day =(. age 13.

i am a year away from graduating law school. my first year out i will be as financially conservative as i am now, and i intend to live cheap and pay off all of my loans ASAP.

so, in two years, when i do not have high APR breathing down my neck, i can start investing and making my money again <3

that said i would look at partypoker (dunno the symbol). they are the only big site not hit by #blackfriday and were traditionally marginalized in that industry.... probably until now.


Yeah, you probably shouldn't do that.
happyft
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States470 Posts
April 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#58
On April 20 2011 05:16 bRuTaL!! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2011 05:04 happyft wrote:
On April 20 2011 04:31 bRuTaL!! wrote:
My portfolio is now up 80% in the last two+ years. Now thought Im kind of at a loss with what to do. Usually the market is pretty easy to time. The whole EU and US debt thing. Rising oil. Possible instability in China: its housing market and inflation.


Seems like we're in the same boat (though you seem to keep track of macro trends more than I do, or at least emphasize it more than I do). Rising energy prices seems to have put a dampener on construction/industrial spending at the very least from what I can tell. And yeah I'm concerned over China as well -- TV sales there haven't been as great as they should be, it seems like consumer spending over there is pulling back a little bit.

But the thing is, I can't really point to anything that would cause me to go bearish on the market either. And you never know when suddenly everyone gets optimistic again. So it's like, I'm not gonna go net-short ... and I don't want to go neutral either cuz I'm not miss out on a run ... but I'm worried cuz I don't think the market can go higher from here. lol talk about being indecisive, no wonder the markets are so choppy if everyone else is feeling like we do =P


Yeah I study economics as my major in university so I play to my strengths. The problem I have is that the debt thing is just not getting much better. Lately to the contrary. The rabbit hole might be a bit deeper than people thought.


Mind going into more detail? A couple of sources of the basis of your beliefs or info would be greatly appreciated as well. How much debt are we talking about, and when? And how does this compare to majority view of how much and when? What kind of impact do you think there will be, and what's the timing on that?

Also, do you go to NYU and listen to Roubini =P

(my own sources for my beliefs in my prior post is I regularly call up construction dealers on a quarterly basis, and I closely follow global TV sales as well as the Asia consumer electronics supply chain)
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Austria19302 Posts
April 19 2011 20:53 GMT
#59
It's really sad to invest into agrarian resources though.
You basically drive the price upwards for people with less money than you, leading to starving families in poor countries.
If you want to invest into resources, stick to metals etc., but don't speculate on food, noone is to blame for the place they were born in.

Concerning the topic:

I'm not investing at all atm, i'm one of those thinking that the crisis has never ended, it has just been delayed. I've invested some of my money into metals to have a solid backbone and i'll keep waiting to see where this is going. Noone can foresee it, i'd keep my hands off and wait until something drives the markets down so i can buy at a low price.

With the increasing amount of countries considered bankrupt, i still wonder why everything keeps standing.
the fish stinks from the head
tryummm
Profile Joined August 2009
774 Posts
April 19 2011 20:54 GMT
#60
One of my microeconomics teachers told me day time trading in the long run nets the same average returns as just investing in a well established company and holding onto your stocks for 15 or so years...

Would people who actively invest money agree?
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