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Puosu
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Modafinil
United States35 Posts
I thought we were talking about getting your money back? How you went about it would be some recourse. So as soon as UIGEA, you assumed that all the poker sites operating in USA were operating illegally? And everyone else should have as well? That's crazy to assume. Apparently it wasn't. And let's not forget that Partypoker and PacificPoker blocked US customers as a result of the UIGEA. Seems like a good move now, doesn't it? If you'd been playing there your money would be safe now, from what I can see. And yeah, any site operating in the USA was certainly operating in violation of most state law, although the question of personal jurisdiction over a website hadn't really been clarified in American law at that point, but was clearly leaning in the direction of state jurisdiction over commercial websites. You have to understand how jurisdiction works - if you're doing something illegal in one country, your stuff is another country can be seized pursuant to the illegal activity in the other country. Most countries cooperate with each other in this way, for plenty of other good reasons. But yes, the fact that the US passed a federal law clearly designed to attack online poker should have been some indication that things were not in the clear for online poker. Ironically, I was always more worried by 1) collusion and 2) bad faith on the part of the house, both of which turned out to be going on too, in some instances. (though not related to this, obviously). That said, I feel pretty bad for anyone who lost money today. There was no way to know this would happen now, and in my view online poker should be legal anyway. But now it has and there's really little chance of anyone getting anything back. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On April 16 2011 05:11 Wohmfg wrote: Just a thought, won't our money be insured against things like this? What I think happens is that these poker sites have a debt to you, however if the US goverment sues these sites and wins the cases, then the poker sites will have a debt to the US goverment too, the US goverment however has priority over, well anyone, after that come major shareholders etcetera.(correct me if I am wrong). So even if there was insurance I doubt you'd get your money back, you can't get money off someone who has noone. Atleast thats how I see it, but what do I know  . | ||
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Dragonsven
United States145 Posts
Unlikely considering that money was involved in a criminal enterprise. The US government has every right to seize it. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On April 16 2011 05:14 Sufficiency wrote: Good. I seriously think gambling online (especially poker) is stupid. All you need is a calculator and you are good to go. hi fish | ||
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relyt
United States1073 Posts
On April 16 2011 05:14 Sufficiency wrote: Good. I seriously think gambling online (especially poker) is stupid. All you need is a calculator and you are good to go. Joke, right? | ||
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contraSol
United States185 Posts
On April 16 2011 05:14 Sufficiency wrote: Good. I seriously think gambling online (especially poker) is stupid. All you need is a calculator and you are good to go. Thank god your opinion is irrelevant. | ||
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
On April 16 2011 05:02 Pervect wrote: MONEY once again defending the world from grave injustices. Another great success for the greatest nation in history. MONEY MONEY MONEY WE NEED MONEY Haha thats all I could see. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On April 16 2011 05:15 Puosu wrote: So much differing information being spewed out everywhere, as an European I have no idea whether or not to panic and if so to what degree. Fuck. The attorney dude is almost certainly likely right, and everybody else is probably reeling from their losses. | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
I mean wow I feel so bad for the people who make a lot of money playing poker and are now getting fucked over. Joys of the government always trying to baby people T_T. | ||
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
On April 16 2011 05:15 Kipsate wrote: What I think happens is that these poker sites have a debt to you, however if the US goverment sues these sites and wins the cases, then the poker sites will have a debt to the US goverment too, the US goverment however has priority over, well anyone, after that come major shareholders etcetera.(correct me if I am wrong). So even if there was insurance I doubt you'd get your money back, you can't get money off someone who has noone. Atleast thats how I see it, but what do I know .Thats 100% true. Happened to my dad. He owns a small business, sells metal to large companies that manufacture homes. Well one of those companies decided they were in over their head and didn't want to pay anyone. Bankruptcy = Profit. And of course they are still in business and my Dad still does business with them, even though they owe him 20k that he will never get. -_-' | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
-_- so this is how they solve our financial problems | ||
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Go0g3n
Russian Federation410 Posts
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AKspartan
United States126 Posts
On April 16 2011 05:11 Enervate wrote: Oh, so poker sites were intent on trying to decrease the deficit and save the dollar from devaluation. How could I have been so clueless? No, the two issues have nothing to do with one another, but nice attempt at a goalpost shift. Do you concede to my original point that the sites did nothing immoral, and that any attempt to prosecute them is unjust, or are you going to continue trying to view the world through your broken moral lens? | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
On April 16 2011 05:13 Zerokaiser wrote:Yes, it's bullshit that online poker is illegal in the United States. However, it was and is illegal and the aforementioned poker sites know that. They're the ones that have brought this upon all their customers. That's an extense grey area. What's certain is it's illegal to process payments to and from online gambing parlors in the US. First, that's an issue for payment processors, neither us nor the sites itself that aren't even based in the US. Second, it's arguable if poker fits under gambling; statistically, the better player always win. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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Wohmfg
United Kingdom1292 Posts
On April 16 2011 05:15 Modafinil wrote: I thought we were talking about getting your money back? How you went about it would be some recourse. Apparently it wasn't. And let's not forget that Partypoker and PacificPoker blocked US customers as a result of the UIGEA. Seems like a good move now, doesn't it? If you'd been playing there your money would be safe now, from what I can see. And yeah, any site operating in the USA was certainly operating in violation of most state law, although the question of personal jurisdiction over a website hadn't really been clarified in American law at that point, but was clearly leaning in the direction of state jurisdiction over commercial websites. You have to understand how jurisdiction works - if you're doing something illegal in one country, your stuff is another country can be seized pursuant to the illegal activity in the other country. Most countries cooperate with each other in this way, for plenty of other good reasons. But yes, the fact that the US passed a federal law clearly designed to attack online poker should have been some indication that things were not in the clear for online poker. Ironically, I was always more worried by 1) collusion and 2) bad faith on the part of the house, both of which turned out to be going on too, in some instances. (though not related to this, obviously). That said, I feel pretty bad for anyone who lost money today. There was no way to know this would happen now, and in my view online poker should be legal anyway. But now it has and there's really little chance of anyone getting anything back. Thanks for saying what I've been trying to get out of you! Well done for knowing that it was going to happen, but it's unreasonable to expect that everyone else should know too. | ||
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jtw1n
United States18 Posts
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Ingenol
United States1328 Posts
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