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Pokerstars is an online poker site. Pokerstrategy is an educational training site. They are not the same site. The TSL3 is sponsored by pokerstrategy.com.
GummyZerg
Profile Joined November 2010
United States277 Posts
April 15 2011 20:36 GMT
#201
oh...my...god... I am so glad my bankroll isn't online anymore, I only have some fun money up. A little under 1,000.... WOW.
AKspartan
Profile Joined January 2011
United States126 Posts
April 15 2011 20:36 GMT
#202
On April 16 2011 05:33 Ympulse wrote:
I loled at how many people actually think gambling is a sustainable income source.

Also, this isn't the first time online gambling has been shut down due to money laundering. You'd think people would learn from their history.


You're also clueless. Really people, when you don't know what you're talking about, please don't post.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 20:37:18
April 15 2011 20:36 GMT
#203
On April 16 2011 05:23 AKspartan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 05:11 Enervate wrote:
On April 16 2011 05:06 AKspartan wrote:
On April 16 2011 05:01 Enervate wrote:
On April 16 2011 04:48 AKspartan wrote:
On April 16 2011 04:44 Kipsate wrote:
Non-violent means little, it is more of a white-collar crime, and money laundering is quite a serious offense.


It's only called "money laundering" because their enterprise isn't legally condoned by the government. That's it. No money was stolen here. No people were wronged. No one was hurt. It doesn't take much critical thinking to see that nothing that the purveyors of the poker site did nothing inherently criminal or immoral. They broke unjust laws, and they will face an unjust punishment if convicted.

LOL, kind of like how not being allowed to print your own money is unjust right?


You're clueless. The government monopolization of money and the transformation of money from a commodity money to fiat money is one of the greatest problems facing the world today. Just wait until a few years from now when all the debt monetization that has been happening to finance our outrageous deficit spending rears its ugly head in the form of massive devaluation of the dollar.

Oh, so poker sites were intent on trying to decrease the deficit and save the dollar from devaluation. How could I have been so clueless?


No, the two issues have nothing to do with one another, but nice attempt at a goalpost shift. Do you concede to my original point that the sites did nothing immoral, and that any attempt to prosecute them is unjust, or are you going to continue trying to view the world through your broken moral lens?


Even if the money laundering was not immoral, hell even if this whole case is immoral, even if they get convincted on immoral laws. They will be convicted, and people WILL lose money over it, argueing about the morality of this is irrellevant to the case as far as I can see. They broke the law, then they need to suffer the consequences, even if it is infact a stupid law. I also think that apart from money laundering they did nothing immoral.

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SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 20:41:53
April 15 2011 20:36 GMT
#204
I guess the main question is whether the US can seize (seems very unlikely) or tie up money in non-US accounts. If not, then non-US players probably don't have much to worry about. I imagine the only money the sites have in US accounts is for their weird payment processing setup.

I think US players are only completely screwed if the sites don't have enough left over after the $3 billion lawsuit. I can't find much info on that, but it's probably split between the 4 sites, and they're all rich as fuck, so I don't think that's a problem. So your money will likely still be there, but actually getting it may be next to impossible (and you might not even be able to play with it either)

But that's just short term. Long term, no more American players I guess?


Can't find any useful info on 2p2 since the site's getting hammered right now. =/

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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
April 15 2011 20:37 GMT
#205
On April 16 2011 05:35 AKspartan wrote:
2p2's server is totally overloaded. The poker news forum has an insane number of people viewing it right now.


Yep, the site is down all the time.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 15 2011 20:39 GMT
#206
On April 16 2011 05:33 Ympulse wrote:
I loled at how many people actually think gambling is a sustainable income source.

Also, this isn't the first time online gambling has been shut down due to money laundering. You'd think people would learn from their history.

It is a sustainable income source, however this was going to come eventually as long as UIGEA was (or is) in law.
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sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
April 15 2011 20:39 GMT
#207
When is the next unemployment report coming in? Mr. Obama, be prepared for a 20% unemployment rate this time of year.

Maybe that will change the govt opinion to reverse this move lol
Bashrai
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada119 Posts
April 15 2011 20:42 GMT
#208
Currently I cannot cash out of fulltilt. Bad timing for me cause I need this cash . Well I'm still healty (alwais see the positive ...). Kind of depressing. Good luck to all of you who lost important money.
Warlike Prince
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
371 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 20:46:56
April 15 2011 20:42 GMT
#209
On April 16 2011 05:06 AKspartan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 05:01 Enervate wrote:
On April 16 2011 04:48 AKspartan wrote:
On April 16 2011 04:44 Kipsate wrote:
Non-violent means little, it is more of a white-collar crime, and money laundering is quite a serious offense.


It's only called "money laundering" because their enterprise isn't legally condoned by the government. That's it. No money was stolen here. No people were wronged. No one was hurt. It doesn't take much critical thinking to see that nothing that the purveyors of the poker site did nothing inherently criminal or immoral. They broke unjust laws, and they will face an unjust punishment if convicted.

LOL, kind of like how not being allowed to print your own money is unjust right?


You're clueless. The government monopolization of money and the transformation of money from a commodity money to fiat money is one of the greatest problems facing the world today. Just wait until a few years from now when all the debt monetization that has been happening to finance our outrageous deficit spending rears its ugly head in the form of massive devaluation of the dollar.


so you call someoene clueless but you dont know that the government has not printed the money in almost 100 years. The Federal Reserve is a private bank and is about as "Federal" as Federal Express.

Here is a clip of Allen Greenspan, former head of the Fed saying there is no relation between the governent and the fed. Its not a secret, it never has been. You're clueless





more on topic here is the best article Ive found about the guy who helped bust them

http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/web-kings-life-on-the-line/story-fn6ck45n-1226039907165
Shocae
Profile Joined August 2010
United States141 Posts
April 15 2011 20:42 GMT
#210
No!!! I wonder what all the professionals are going to do now. Live games may get really tough.
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
April 15 2011 20:42 GMT
#211
On April 16 2011 05:39 sekritzzz wrote:
When is the next unemployment report coming in? Mr. Obama, be prepared for a 20% unemployment rate this time of year.

Maybe that will change the govt opinion to reverse this move lol


What are you talking about? Though this sucks it will have zero effect on the average person whatsoever.
relyt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1073 Posts
April 15 2011 20:43 GMT
#212
On April 16 2011 05:39 sekritzzz wrote:
When is the next unemployment report coming in? Mr. Obama, be prepared for a 20% unemployment rate this time of year.

Maybe that will change the govt opinion to reverse this move lol

Lol i was thinking the same thing. Some of my poker friends have never worked a "real" job before, i dont know what they will do now. I guess moving to Canada isn't a bad option eh?
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
April 15 2011 20:43 GMT
#213
You have to be careful who you trust your money with, no matter where you put it.

It's seriously like all your friends telling you to give money to "this guy" because he'll get you money in return if you "do a couple things for him", you can't be sure you can trust what he is doing is legit unless you do your research. It's always been my opinion that people who are putting tens of thousands of dollars into online gambling are taking a massive risk, not from the gambling, but from what is going on behind the scenes that you can't see to begin with.

I'm very surprised that there are a lot of people out there who didn't see this coming, you need to do some research before you trust websites like these.
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relyt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1073 Posts
April 15 2011 20:44 GMT
#214
On April 16 2011 05:42 Jonoman92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 05:39 sekritzzz wrote:
When is the next unemployment report coming in? Mr. Obama, be prepared for a 20% unemployment rate this time of year.

Maybe that will change the govt opinion to reverse this move lol


What are you talking about? Though this sucks it will have zero effect on the average person whatsoever.

I think he was joking about the 20%.
thebigdonkey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States354 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 20:45:11
April 15 2011 20:44 GMT
#215
On April 16 2011 05:42 Shocae wrote:
No!!! I wonder what all the professionals are going to do now. Live games may get really tough.


The pro scene, as it is today, will collapse. The televised tours and events will disappear because the major sponsors were online poker sites. Why advertise in a country you can't do business in at all?
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
April 15 2011 20:45 GMT
#216
cashed out 6k on stars and i got it instantly
Gryffes
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom763 Posts
April 15 2011 20:45 GMT
#217
I'm just glad only a small amount of my roll is on stars, the rest on a site that doesn't take US customers so isn't at risk.

It's funny to hear people chime in with random comments about what we should/shouldn't be doing when they are utterly clueless as to anything regarding online poker.
www.youtube.com/gryffes - Random Gaming Videos.
AKspartan
Profile Joined January 2011
United States126 Posts
April 15 2011 20:45 GMT
#218
On April 16 2011 05:36 Kipsate wrote:
Even if the money laundering was not immoral, hell even if this whole case is immoral, even if they get convincted on immoral laws. They will be convicted, and people WILL lose money over it, argueing about the morality of this is irrellevant to the case as far as I can see. They broke the law, then they need to suffer the consequences, even if it is infact a stupid law. I also think that apart from money laundering they did nothing immoral.



Nothing discussed here on the forums will affect the outcome of the case. So? We don't discuss it? No. This is a discussion forum. I'm disgusted by the immorality of it - the poker sites have done nothing inherently wrong - so that's what I post about.

And your logic doesn't make sense. Regardless of whether or not the law is moral, people should be punished to the fullest extent of the law? Do you understand how many terrible scenarios I could construct where people are brutally murdered or tortured or imprisoned for life for silly offenses to nonsensical laws? Do you realize how many of the brutalities and injustices of history were legally condoned by the despots that carried them out?

Don't rely on government to teach you right from wrong. Legality is largely arbitrary.
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
April 15 2011 20:47 GMT
#219
this is some serious shit
i wonder what will happen to SCOOP

never are they going to allow massive overlays

:D
hatred outlives the hateful
SpiffD
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1264 Posts
April 15 2011 20:49 GMT
#220
Could someone please answer my dumb question, please
If online gambling is illegal in the US, wasn't this bound to happen? Even if the companies are located elsewhere you have to live up to the laws of the country in which you reside, no?
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