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Pokerstars is an online poker site. Pokerstrategy is an educational training site. They are not the same site. The TSL3 is sponsored by pokerstrategy.com.
kencheeto
Profile Joined April 2010
United States54 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-16 06:40:24
April 15 2011 18:29 GMT
#1
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/reuters-full-tilt-poker-pokerstars-absolute-poker-charged-illegal-gambling-1020606/

Apparently pokerstars.com, absolutepoker.com, and other poker sites have been 'confiscated by the FBI'. News was just posted, not sure what is going on?

tl;dr:
allegations are that these large online poker sites (Full Tilt, Pokerstars, absolutepoker) were using fake businesses to process payments because banks were refusing to knowingly process illegal gambling transactions.

edit: thanks to Modafinil for finding the following:
On April 16 2011 03:36 Modafinil wrote:
DOJ press release here - http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/April11/scheinbergetalindictmentpr.pdf

Lots of people in America still seem to be able to access the sites. DNS propagation takes time. Many international people are already getting the seizure notices. It's not purely a matter of where you are.

Probably too late to cash out anyway. Even if the site processes your command, and even if you get the check in the mail, the accounts have been frozen. The check will probably not clear.

Hope this doesn't affect Team Liquid too badly.


edit: People have been linking this as well, apparently a key player in the takedown:
http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-genius-online-poker-scandal-2011-4

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JFO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
184 Posts
April 15 2011 18:30 GMT
#2
what? seriously, is this true? anyone from liquidpoker confirm?
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 15 2011 18:31 GMT
#3
When they hit it , they hit it everywhere O.o. But I suppose that most of these are not paying taxes or something?hence why they are being charged for illegal gambling, the OP is a link to a forum with 2 lines though, so I am not sure whats going on.
WriterXiao8~~
Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
April 15 2011 18:32 GMT
#4
Well that would suck. Hopefully the people that haven't used it in a long time, like myself, won't have the feds come a knocking at their doors. Come to think of it would anyone actually get in trouble? Cause while it's illegal in the US the sites never stopped you and always asked you where you were from so it'd be their problem for helping US people gamble right?
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
April 15 2011 18:33 GMT
#5
The websites work for me o_O
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
April 15 2011 18:34 GMT
#6
All the sites they reported were up for me as well.
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 18:44:05
April 15 2011 18:34 GMT
#7
[image loading]

Works fine for me because I am not in the US.

It is hard to tell what will happen, the companies can just move their hosting out of the US and ban all US residents from playing on their tables. It is really hard to tell if they will actually prosecute any of them because they also run live events in casino's as well which isn't against US gambling laws.
Brood War forever!
JFO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
184 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 18:36:37
April 15 2011 18:35 GMT
#8
I made a little research, its true:

http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/April11/scheinbergetalindictmentpr.pdf

heres usatoday:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-04-12-DC-Internet-gambling.htm
kencheeto
Profile Joined April 2010
United States54 Posts
April 15 2011 18:35 GMT
#9
One of the guys in the forum thread I linked posted this:
DNS propagation is still in progress so it might not show for you. Depends on who your ISP is but it is coming. Look at the name servers for ub.com, absolutepoker.com, pokerstars.com, fulltiltpoker.com ...all the same. And all updated today.
Modafinil
Profile Joined May 2010
United States35 Posts
April 15 2011 18:36 GMT
#10
DOJ press release here - http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/April11/scheinbergetalindictmentpr.pdf

Lots of people in America still seem to be able to access the sites. DNS propagation takes time. Many international people are already getting the seizure notices. It's not purely a matter of where you are.

Probably too late to cash out anyway. Even if the site processes your command, and even if you get the check in the mail, the accounts have been frozen. The check will probably not clear.

Hope this doesn't affect Team Liquid too badly.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
April 15 2011 18:40 GMT
#11
it is true. if you're still able to access, the site, it's because of your dns cache and/or dsn propagation. a whois on the domains shows that they point to this now: http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/Cyber_Initiative_and_Resource_Fusion_Unit
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
AngryLlama
Profile Joined September 2005
United States1227 Posts
April 15 2011 18:41 GMT
#12
Hopefully this doesn't effect cashing out... Rent's coming up in two weeks... -____-
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 15 2011 18:42 GMT
#13
Wow, this will get interesting.
R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
April 15 2011 18:43 GMT
#14
Because U.S. banks and credit card issuers were largely unwilling to process their payments, the Poker Companies allegedly used fraudulent methods to circumvent federal law and trick these institutions into processing payments on their behalf. For example, defendants ISAI SCHEINBERG and PAUL TATE of PokerStars, RAYMOND BITAR and NELSON BURTNICK of Full Tilt Poker, and SCOTT TOM and BRENT BECKLEY of Absolute Poker, arranged for the money received from U.S. gamblers to be disguised as payments to hundreds of non-existent online merchants purporting to sell merchandise such as jewelry and golf balls. Of the billions of dollars in payment transactions that the Poker Companies tricked U.S. banks into processing, approximately one-third or more of the funds went directly to the Poker Companies as revenue through the "rake" charged to players on almost every poker hand played online.

Wow thats some heavy shit o.o'
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
April 15 2011 18:44 GMT
#15
what the...
'Tis with our Judgements as our Watches, none / Go just alike, yet each believes his own.
oXoCube
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada197 Posts
April 15 2011 18:44 GMT
#16
On April 16 2011 03:41 AngryLlama wrote:
Hopefully this doesn't effect cashing out... Rent's coming up in two weeks... -____-


In all likelihood the accounts are frozen, which means you're basically screwed.
Modafinil
Profile Joined May 2010
United States35 Posts
April 15 2011 18:44 GMT
#17
On April 16 2011 03:41 AngryLlama wrote:
Hopefully this doesn't effect cashing out... Rent's coming up in two weeks... -____-


Hate to say it but the money is gone. This is going to be huge.

Billions of dollars just evaporated.
relyt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1073 Posts
April 15 2011 18:45 GMT
#18
Wtf man so my money is gone!?!? Why does the US care so much if I play poker online .
contraSol
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States185 Posts
April 15 2011 18:45 GMT
#19
Holy shit. Snap-withdrawing... there goes my financial security :/
Ssoulle
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 18:47:20
April 15 2011 18:46 GMT
#20
It looks like they were putting payments through the system illegally under different names to avoid certain people/banks knowing they were gambling transactions.
O.o
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