EPTFeds cracking down on online poker..? - Page 37
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ExSoldier
378 Posts
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
A lot of sites will claim to cater to US players, but what makes their banking special to get around this? Also if they get busted they probably don't have the capital the big two have to stay afloat. | ||
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Phaded
Australia579 Posts
On April 17 2011 22:59 Therapy wrote: I wouldn't trust this until you get official confirmation from the actual site. Sending your information to some arbitrary IP and downloading a client from what seems like an unofficial site. Be careful. The IP is legit, dns records for cashier.fulltiltpoker.co.uk point to 91.211.97.17 , all it looks like it's doing is tricking your computer to go to cashier.fulltiltpoker.co.uk instead of cashier.fulltiltpoker.com (which is down for obvious reasons) | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2320 Posts
On April 18 2011 14:43 Phaded wrote: The IP is legit, dns records for cashier.fulltiltpoker.co.uk point to 91.211.97.17 , all it looks like it's doing is tricking your computer to go to cashier.fulltiltpoker.co.uk instead of cashier.fulltiltpoker.com (which is down for obvious reasons) that's correct. hosts file entries take precedence over dns lookup, so it's basically an override. | ||
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iRaYP
Scotland66 Posts
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solaryn
United States7 Posts
On April 18 2011 14:33 ExSoldier wrote: so... where are us players playing now? I am playing on Cake poker (I had an account even before all this nonsense) You can get rakeback at a site like www.usrakeback.com I read that bodog is also accepting us play, I haven't played there in 5 years however so I can't confirm. | ||
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Spaceball
United States213 Posts
http://theppa.org/takeaction/ I had 6k frozen on full tilt. I don't know when (or if) I will get that money back, but I'm going to do what I can to raise hell with my representatives in the mean time. I strongly encourage everyone else to do the same, even if you don't play yourself. After all, a lot of poker money seems to find its way into e-sports, it would be a shame if that dried up. | ||
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Khyrandor
Czech Republic158 Posts
What site would you recommend me to start playing on? I'm from Europe and I have never played online poker before. My 1st step was of course pokerstrategy via TL reference, now I'm wondering where to put my initial 50$. I guess pokestars.eu or partypoker? | ||
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Templar.
Canada133 Posts
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snpnx
Germany454 Posts
On April 20 2011 04:33 Khyrandor wrote: I have a question that isnt worth its own thread so I'll ask it here (hope it's ok): What site would you recommend me to start playing on? I'm from Europe and I have never played online poker before. My 1st step was of course pokerstrategy via TL reference, now I'm wondering where to put my initial 50$. I guess pokestars.eu or partypoker? Partypoker might be a safer bet right now, but it's probably not a good time to start. As far as I know Partypoker never allowed US citizens, which should make it safe to use that room. Rooms that did allow for US citizens should maybe avoided for now to see how all this pans out. | ||
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iopq
United States838 Posts
this is retarded, I'm leaving this POS country | ||
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
Apparently the Feds aren't looking to hurt the actual players at all, and contend that the poker companies freezing player accounts was a move that was not forced on the companies themselves. This confuses me as to what the Feds are actually looking to do with this online poker thing. Do they want to stop online gambling? Do they acknowledge the industry and not wish to harm US players but wish to target people from outside the US doing this kind of business? Was it a bank crackdown? | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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xSixGeneralHan
United States528 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
"FTP makes deal with US Attorney's office to regain fulltiltpoker.com. Agreement expressly allows for real money play outside the US.... FTP also states in the press release that it's an important first step towards US players getting $$ back, but still faces legal impediments" http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker/news/story?id=6395452 All from ESPN Twitter. | ||
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Tracedragon
United States948 Posts
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ballasdontcry
Canada595 Posts
On April 16 2011 19:53 switchdev wrote: Is there any risk for legal action towards the players? From that FBI poster: "For the persons engaged in the business of betting or wagering, it is also a federal crime to knowingly accept, in connection with the participation of another person in unlawful Internet gambling, credit, electronic fund transfers, or checks." I'm not into all the legal mumbo jumbo, but doesn't that sound like they're saying the players (within their jurisdiction) are on their radar too? I haven't seen this discussed yet in this thread. Pretty sure the DoJ already said they're not taking action towards individual players (don't have the source handy sorry), but only aimed at the laundering of the site owners. | ||
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esperanto
Germany357 Posts
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ballasdontcry
Canada595 Posts
On April 21 2011 03:39 esperanto wrote: What was illegal with these poker-sites? Could anyone explain it again? Is it online-gambling in general in the US or just some tax-stuff? it has to do with the unlawful internet gambling enforcement act which boils down to the fact that US banks cannot knowingly accept payments which are used to fund online gambling sites (it didn't mention poker specifically which is why some people have problems with it - the language is intentionally vague as is with most laws). these big sites knew that straight up, a bank would not accept a transfer that's supposed to head to Pokerstars, Full Tilt, etc. to circumvent this, they set up dummy companies that sell fairly innocuous services/goods like golf balls, flowers or whatever. the payment is routed to these dummy companies instead which the US banks have no problems accepting, but they do so without knowledge that the money goes to offshore poker sites. the US government catches wind of this, by using undercovers to probe these dummy companies and find out that the customer support on the other end is actually from the poker sites, hence these money laundering charges. to the best of my understanding this is the bone that the US govt has to pick with online poker. none of these charges are directed at individual players, although of course by restricting the money flow between the US banks and poker sites, it affects the players. | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
Federal prosecutors in Manhattan may have declared war against the world’s biggest online poker companies, but the two sides are working together to return funds belonging to U.S. players. Under an agreement announced today, the government will allow PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker to use their web sites to facilitate the withdrawal of U.S. players’ funds held in accounts with the companies. The five-page domain-name use agreements with PokerStars and Full Tilt Poker will also let the poker companies continue to use their domain names to offer for-money online poker games to players outside the U.S. In return the world’s two biggest online poker companies have agreed not to facilitate for-money poker games for U.S. players and to let an independent monitor verify their compliance with the deal. | ||
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