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Pokerstars is an online poker site. Pokerstrategy is an educational training site. They are not the same site. The TSL3 is sponsored by pokerstrategy.com.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
April 15 2011 20:25 GMT
#181
Get this. My buddy cashed a pokerstars check for $1500 8 days ago. It showed the $1500 as processing to be added to his account.

Yesterday the transaction was canceled, apparently.
ballasdontcry
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 20:27:55
April 15 2011 20:26 GMT
#182
On April 16 2011 05:24 jtw1n wrote:
Anyone who's freaking out move to Canada, they don't even tax income from Gambling there.

this isn't quite true. the law regarding this is gray and not well established. if it's something like a "windfall" profit like lucking from a slots machine jackpot or whatever, it's not taxable, but if you're playing poker professionally (as in it makes up a large portion of your income every year), you may have to pay taxes. there's a big thread on twoplustwo about this.

however, in the UK, this is totally true I think.
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
April 15 2011 20:27 GMT
#183
On April 16 2011 05:25 travis wrote:
Get this. My buddy cashed a pokerstars check for $1500 8 days ago. It showed the $1500 as processing to be added to his account.

Yesterday the transaction was canceled, apparently.


So the check just vaporized? This is fucking ridiculous.
InEyea
Profile Joined April 2011
Switzerland15 Posts
April 15 2011 20:28 GMT
#184
Just chashed out via moneybookers revieced the Funds instantly. So if you are European there shoud be no problem to Cash Out your Bankroll.
Xife
Profile Joined September 2009
222 Posts
April 15 2011 20:28 GMT
#185
Land of the Free.
xSixGeneralHan
Profile Joined April 2011
United States528 Posts
April 15 2011 20:28 GMT
#186
Root probably lost the poker stars sponsor now.
Team Operations Director for CheckSix Gaming
thebigdonkey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States354 Posts
April 15 2011 20:28 GMT
#187
On April 16 2011 05:21 GinDo wrote:
Who keeps the money at the end? The U.S?

-_- so this is how they solve our financial problems


Not really. This is like throwing an H2O molecule into an empty pool. Not gonna make a splash at all. This does smell a little funny though. They obviously had to know how many people were going to be affected.
Modafinil
Profile Joined May 2010
United States35 Posts
April 15 2011 20:28 GMT
#188
On April 16 2011 05:07 contraSol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 04:28 D_K_night wrote:
On April 16 2011 04:17 contraSol wrote:
On April 16 2011 04:06 Modafinil wrote:
On April 16 2011 04:03 TURKISHRAMBO wrote:
On April 16 2011 03:58 jalstar wrote:
On April 16 2011 03:54 Nyx wrote:
On April 16 2011 03:53 jalstar wrote:
i only have $50 on PS anyway, hopefully my $200 withdrawal echeck from last week clears though.


Restraining orders were issued against more than 75 bank accounts used by the poker companies and their payment processors, while five Internet domain names used by the companies to host poker games were seized, federal authorities added in a statement.



well -$250 sucks a lot but there are some people with thousands on there, this is huge.

is the govt aloud to do this and not give your money back?

All i can see is this causing even more unrest and people trying to get their money back using legal action.


It's not "your money". It is money that was sitting in the bank account of an entity engaged in a criminal enterprise. The money has been seized as part of a federal criminal investigation.

Trying to get your money through legal action against the US government here would be like trying to get your money back from your local drug dealer after he was arrested. Your money is gone. You have a 0% chance of ever getting it back.


Yes, it IS my money. I spent countless hours studying poker theory, played and analyzed hundreds of thousands of hands. Don't tell me that isn't my own hard-earned money. They have not seized funds from these sites yet, nor are these sites "criminal organizations." They're based in countries where what they're doing is completely legal, and the US has no jurisdiction. Comparing this with getting back money from a drug dealer demonstrates your ignorance on the subject.


Yet you've spent your money by studying, and then playing, online gambling. No one here is arguing that your effort isn't worth something. Of course it is.

But what has happened, happened. And these companies are going the way of the dodo, like it or not. If any online gambling for-profit companies remain, they are gonna be either heavily regulated in some shape or form, or they pay their taxes just like any other company, period. And YOU - have you reported all your poker earnings on your tax returns?

But back to your study of poker. Can you not take your poker skills and just head down to your poker house of choice or vegas? Why restrict your means of income to online venues only?


Yes, I've paid taxes on the money I made, which is ironic, considering taxpayer money is now being used to finance the investigation of my source of income and the seizure of funds I would have paid taxes on. Makes perfect sense.

Theoretically, I could be playing in Vegas, but there are two problems with that. First, I can't 12-table vegas poker. That's a difference between 1000 hands per hour and 25 hands per hour. It means my winrate would have to be 40 times as high, which is impossible, and that the variance I'll experience will be absurd. Sure, a 20k hand downswing sucks when you play 20k hands in a couple of weeks, but I can't begin to imagine it over a year. Second, I'm a college student in Denver. I play poker to pay tuition and expenses, and do not have the time to play the epic number of hours at a live table in order to scrape by.

@US Attorney, we're coming at this issue from two different sides. You're taking the purely legal route, while I'm taking the idealistic-pissed-off-at-what-I-see-as-injustice perspective. I know the government has a legal right to seize these funds. That's why I'm pissed; I have no recourse. And I'm still of the belief that you're completely ignorant as to what it takes to turn poker into a profitable enterprise.


Oh, trust me, I know. I never played "professionally", but I got some pocket money during school playing on Partypoker in 2005. I had a friend living on my couch trying to play professionally; he also quit that when Partypoker decided that US players weren't worth the risk after UIGEA.

As it turns out, Partypoker was right. I still have friends who were multitabling on the side of their real jobs for extra income, or just something else to do during EvE/WoW/whatever. I know how many hands per hour you can get playing online at 10+ tables versus playing IRL.
Aus.Force
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1278 Posts
April 15 2011 20:29 GMT
#189

On April 16 2011 05:13 Zerokaiser wrote:Yes, it's bullshit that online poker is illegal in the United States. However, it was and is illegal and the aforementioned poker sites know that. They're the ones that have brought this upon all their customers.


The sites aren't technically run from the United States. It is the American Citizens gambling from their own homes that is a problem. The rest of the civilized world isn't that petty though.

The US's idea of freedom baffles me quite a lot.
"no need for cinema, just watch special taktiks" - white-ra
Gryffes
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom763 Posts
April 15 2011 20:29 GMT
#190
On April 16 2011 05:25 travis wrote:
Get this. My buddy cashed a pokerstars check for $1500 8 days ago. It showed the $1500 as processing to be added to his account.

Yesterday the transaction was canceled, apparently.



That isn't particularly uncommon, when it happens stars/ftp normally just send another cheque.
www.youtube.com/gryffes - Random Gaming Videos.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
April 15 2011 20:30 GMT
#191
On April 16 2011 05:29 Luckbox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 05:25 travis wrote:
Get this. My buddy cashed a pokerstars check for $1500 8 days ago. It showed the $1500 as processing to be added to his account.

Yesterday the transaction was canceled, apparently.



That isn't particularly uncommon, when it happens stars/ftp normally just send another cheque.


I've never heard of this happening, and both he and I have cashed out a shitload of checks from stars.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
April 15 2011 20:31 GMT
#192
This is such BS. The poker websites were all pretty legitimate in my experience (the big ones at least) and even worked hard to combat collusion and poker bots.

What the US is doing is just so morally wrong.

Anyone know if Cake Poker is/will be seriously affected?
AKspartan
Profile Joined January 2011
United States126 Posts
April 15 2011 20:32 GMT
#193
I've withdrawn 4-5 times from FTP, half of those times my checks were cancelled and had to be re-issued. So it's possible that your friend's check not going through wasn't a result of the govt's actions but honestly it probably is what happened.
waxypants
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States479 Posts
April 15 2011 20:32 GMT
#194
Have $3k (just from grinding microstakes whenever I felt like in over the past few years). Requested $2.5k bankwire (the maximum allowed). Hope it goes through, but I am not expecting it . On the bright side, I only actually invested like $150 originally.
Ympulse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States287 Posts
April 15 2011 20:33 GMT
#195
I loled at how many people actually think gambling is a sustainable income source.

Also, this isn't the first time online gambling has been shut down due to money laundering. You'd think people would learn from their history.
Gryffes
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom763 Posts
April 15 2011 20:33 GMT
#196
On April 16 2011 05:30 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 05:29 Luckbox wrote:
On April 16 2011 05:25 travis wrote:
Get this. My buddy cashed a pokerstars check for $1500 8 days ago. It showed the $1500 as processing to be added to his account.

Yesterday the transaction was canceled, apparently.



That isn't particularly uncommon, when it happens stars/ftp normally just send another cheque.


I've never heard of this happening, and both he and I have cashed out a shitload of checks from stars.



Check the zoo out on 2p2, it happens many times a week.
www.youtube.com/gryffes - Random Gaming Videos.
relyt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1073 Posts
April 15 2011 20:34 GMT
#197
this was posted on 2p2, pretty interesting.
http://www.businessinsider.com/boy-genius-online-poker-scandal-2011-4
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 20:34:59
April 15 2011 20:34 GMT
#198
On April 16 2011 05:33 Ympulse wrote:
I loled at how many people actually think gambling is a sustainable income source.


I lol at how ignorant you are.


On April 16 2011 05:33 Luckbox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2011 05:30 travis wrote:
On April 16 2011 05:29 Luckbox wrote:
On April 16 2011 05:25 travis wrote:
Get this. My buddy cashed a pokerstars check for $1500 8 days ago. It showed the $1500 as processing to be added to his account.

Yesterday the transaction was canceled, apparently.



That isn't particularly uncommon, when it happens stars/ftp normally just send another cheque.


I've never heard of this happening, and both he and I have cashed out a shitload of checks from stars.



Check the zoo out on 2p2, it happens many times a week.


ah. I suppose I am lucky it never happened to me then.

also I seem to have had pretty good timing with quitting poker.
AKspartan
Profile Joined January 2011
United States126 Posts
April 15 2011 20:35 GMT
#199
2p2's server is totally overloaded. The poker news forum has an insane number of people viewing it right now.
j0k3r
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States577 Posts
April 15 2011 20:35 GMT
#200
On April 16 2011 05:25 travis wrote:
Get this. My buddy cashed a pokerstars check for $1500 8 days ago. It showed the $1500 as processing to be added to his account.

Yesterday the transaction was canceled, apparently.


If pokerstars' bank is outside of the U.S. I can't really see the DOJ having the authority to freeze that transaction, although they may have issued a notice to every U.S. bank not to accept further transactions from said foreign bank.
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