EPTFeds cracking down on online poker..? - Page 34
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Pokerstars is an online poker site. Pokerstrategy is an educational training site. They are not the same site. The TSL3 is sponsored by pokerstrategy.com. | ||
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Lucidx
United States122 Posts
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xZiGGY
United Kingdom801 Posts
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On April 17 2011 08:08 SonuvBob wrote: This has nothing to do with PokerStrategy.com, despite them sharing the PS acronym with Poker Stars. :p It does show you why they don't accept US members though! not really, if they dont literally do the gambling, why cant we look at the educational stuff anyway? there isnt any law about learning about games of skill, even if they are a gray area. the only issue is that site gives bonuses to sites that accept EU only players. im still looking for a good free poker strategy site that just has a bunch of stuff to learn from and is free, without the complete this test earn $50 to a EU pokersite lol.(meaning they dont allow US players) Even without online poker i still like to play live games. Though in all honesty i never understood why Poker is a gray area anyway. On April 17 2011 08:20 xZiGGY wrote: So long, and thanks for all the fish? :S you sir deserve a cookie for that reference.. | ||
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BeefEU
Netherlands260 Posts
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
On April 17 2011 08:07 KwarK wrote: Just as you can look both ways before crossing the road you can also practice good bankroll management and choose your limits appropriately. Poker is considerably less risky than pretty much everything else you do in life because its just a game. Some people play above their limits but equally some people refuse to wear seatbelts, end of the day you can't force people to make smart choices. The big risk is, of course, playing online poker when it's illegal  | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Poker is considerably less risky than pretty much everything else you do in life because its just a game. Some people play above their limits but equally some people refuse to wear seatbelts, end of the day you can't force people to make smart choices. Pretty sure safety belt wearing, car seats and a number of other safety based regulations do indeed exist and aren't being decried as mass government overreach. | ||
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dudeisthetruth
2 Posts
On April 17 2011 10:09 sikyon wrote: The big risk is, of course, playing online poker when it's illegal Are you sure about this? This what some dude from the PPA has to say: "The phrase "in the business of betting and wagering" has been around since the 1960's Wire Act and has been interpreted many times by Federal Courts. It has NEVER been applied to a mere player. The cases that discuss its meaning all center around just how much more than a mere player a defendant has to be in order for the phrase to apply. At a House Committee hearing a few years ago the DOJ USA for Missouri admitted that mere poker players were not in violation of any Federal Law." | ||
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pi_rate_pir_ate
United States179 Posts
On April 17 2011 10:22 L wrote: Pretty sure safety belt wearing, car seats and a number of other safety based regulations do indeed exist and aren't being decried as mass government overreach. I decry them as government overreach. On topic: I hope that they legalize online poker play, but I certainly don't understand what issues are at stake in all of this. Obviously the majority of people just want a way to win money from other individuals who they could otherwise not meet. | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
My funds exist, but my moneybookers withdrawal was declined fml Does anyone have info on which one works? I'm from UK | ||
KwarK
United States43538 Posts
On April 17 2011 10:22 L wrote: Pretty sure safety belt wearing, car seats and a number of other safety based regulations do indeed exist and aren't being decried as mass government overreach. But they don't make it illegal to drive just because some people don't wear seatbelts. That's the point. | ||
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sikyon
Canada1045 Posts
On April 17 2011 10:34 dudeisthetruth wrote: Are you sure about this? This what some dude from the PPA has to say: "The phrase "in the business of betting and wagering" has been around since the 1960's Wire Act and has been interpreted many times by Federal Courts. It has NEVER been applied to a mere player. The cases that discuss its meaning all center around just how much more than a mere player a defendant has to be in order for the phrase to apply. At a House Committee hearing a few years ago the DOJ USA for Missouri admitted that mere poker players were not in violation of any Federal Law." Even if the risk to your person is low in terms of going to jail, as we can see there is a substantial risk that the businesses which run these operations may be targetted. IIRC while playing poker like this may not violate federal law it does violate the law in nearly half of the 50 states? For example, in washington: http://www.seattlepi.com/default/article/High-Court-upholds-state-ban-on-Internet-poker-891896.php | ||
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On April 17 2011 11:06 KwarK wrote: But they don't make it illegal to drive just because some people don't wear seatbelts. That's the point. the flaw of the seat belt argument is that there is no downside to wearing the seatbelt. A seat belt is a safety feature, not a form of income or recreational activity. On April 17 2011 10:38 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote: I decry them as government overreach. On topic: I hope that they legalize online poker play, but I certainly don't understand what issues are at stake in all of this. Obviously the majority of people just want a way to win money from other individuals who they could otherwise not meet. I liked being able to play poker at affordable rates, Ie extremely low stakes, freerolls. Which i have no where else to play these. The Minimum buy in at the nearest casinos is to expensive. And they dont run tournament type events often,Plus i just dont like cash games to much. but there is 0 competition to that casino so they do whatever they want, and charge whatever they want in rake... | ||
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iSTime
1579 Posts
On April 17 2011 11:06 KwarK wrote: But they don't make it illegal to drive just because some people don't wear seatbelts. That's the point. And it's also not illegal to play poker, even for money; it's just restricted. Just like driving with respect to wearing a seatbelt. So nice analogy. | ||
zatic
Zurich15361 Posts
On April 17 2011 07:41 ThaZenith wrote: He didn't say it was "as risky" or "more risky" than poker. But there is risk. You buy a loaf of bread, you're banking on the fact that it won't go bad before you can use it. Or that it's not already bad and you just can't see that. The chance that it's bad might only be .05%, but that's a risk. The level of risk doesn't mean anything about the fact a risk is there. So I guess you're just bad at reading? Or you're the type that see's "chance of bad weather" in the forecast and you tornado proof your house? No need to overreact man. This is just stupid. If you buy a bad loaf of bread you can return it or even sue. There is virtually no risk for the consumer. | ||
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On April 17 2011 11:53 zatic wrote: This is just stupid. If you buy a bad loaf of bread you can return it or even sue. There is virtually no risk for the consumer. no but you could get into a car crash on the way to buy that loaf of bread. or you could drop it in a puddle.. or any other potential random occurrence involved in buying that loaf of bread. | ||
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Kaal
Djibouti2539 Posts
WESTERN UNION IS WORKING TO WITHDRAW. I managed to get my 90 day limit withdrawn and confirmed. It took 24 hours. | ||
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woofwoof
Canada63 Posts
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LessThree
United States78 Posts
My condolences to those who most likely lost money due to those sites being shut down by the Fed. I saw that some people had thousands of dollars on those sites... Yikes, that's gotta hurt. That could have been living expenses for at least a few months. Yikes. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On April 16 2011 04:21 Modafinil wrote: While I sympathize with the players who lost money, I think "meteor while playing golf" is a bit over-dramatic. The fact is online poker has always been a grey area, whether it was the passage of the UIGEA in 2006 or just the sites themselves having problems with cheating and shills. A lot of you are probably too young to remember this but online poker has been on the government's radar for almost a decade. It was always a question of WHEN the "meteor" would hit, not IF. That said there was no telling when. It sucks that it happened now, but it was inevitable. Online gambling is only a gray area in the US. Pretty sure it's legal anywhere else in the world. | ||
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