EPTOn March 30 2011 11:02 Physician wrote:
It is a recruitment tool.
It is a recruitment tool.
Any code breakers in TL? - Page 5
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spacek
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SlapMySalami
United States1060 Posts
On March 30 2011 11:02 Physician wrote: It is a recruitment tool. i thought that was kinda crude but then i went to page 1 and read “We would love to find our counterparts somewhere in the world,” he said, “but so far we haven’t been able to. No one seems to have the niche that we have.” Becoming a cryptanalyst requires a basic four-month training course and plenty of continuing education to learn the age-old patterns and techniques of code makers. Olson insists that almost anyone can learn basic code-breaking skills (see sidebar), but certain personality types seem best suited to the job, including those who like solving puzzles and who are determined and tenacious. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
First how did the FBI determined that this is a homicide. People don't get killed for no reason. Rather than relying on a coded message, shouldn't they approach this in other ways. Then there is the coded message, if the victim wants to leave evidence to his killer why would he choose to write it in codes. From the article, it seems like he was capture and confine a few days before he was killed AND he knows he was to be killed. If the killer is anything but stupid, this coded message shouldn't have been found. Also, WTF is with the FBI trying to ask the public to help them solve this without giving any help to us. If the FBI also include a list of possible suspects, then we can solve the codes backward (I think it will violating some privacy rights but it sure will be a lot of help). | ||
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Mimic
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btw no knoledge of decypghering stuff sorry. nothing real to add | ||
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sYz-Adrenaline
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tyCe
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ToxNub
Canada805 Posts
I'm a bit rusty though, and its very time consuming. Nor do I think I can best the FBI. Very interesting, though. It seems to me unlikely that this cipher can be very long, given the number of repeated substrings. One thing I should remind anyone willing to give it a go... there's no reason why "NCBE" (or other substrings) can't refer to phonetic sound, single/double/.... letter or word. It's much harder to solve such a problem than a conventional cipher. | ||
iSometric
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Redunzl
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One thing about code breaking is that you have to assume the code is breakable in the first place. In classroom scenarios this is easy enough but in the real world how do we know when code is really encryption or merely a ruse? | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
Stop writing in secret code, because when you get murdered, that shit will haunt you all the way through the afterlife.  Interesting to see what people come up with though! | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On March 30 2011 11:02 GambleVII wrote: (TENETFRNENCBRTSENCBEINC) (FLRSEPRSEONDE71NCBE) (CDNSEPRSEONSFE74NCBE) (PR+SEPRSEONREDE75NCBE If you look at those sentences there almost identical look at NCBE with its variations NCBEINC 71NCBE, 74NCBE, 75NCBE. its like they are a modifier to show case what NCBE stands for. Same with SERPRSE with modifiers on the front and back of the word to showcase what the real word is. Now for NCBE if he doesnt utilize modifiers then it would mean what i pasted is near identical sentance posted 4 times. Good info woudl be to knwo if he was into any kind of movies as a kid that utilized cyphers maybee influencing him to make his own. I feel like this is on to something. Those two strings appear way too frequently, and always 6-7 characters apart. I think something important is happening with NCBE and SEPRSEON. Also, look at when and where DE appears. Its always in between those two common strings. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
On March 30 2011 11:23 LunarDestiny wrote: I read the link to the FBI request and I find this case weird. First how did the FBI determined that this is a homicide. People don't get killed for no reason. Rather than relying on a coded message, shouldn't they approach this in other ways. Then there is the coded message, if the victim wants to leave evidence to his killer why would he choose to write it in codes. From the article, it seems like he was capture and confine a few days before he was killed AND he knows he was to be killed. If the killer is anything but stupid, this coded message shouldn't have been found. Also, WTF is with the FBI trying to ask the public to help them solve this without giving any help to us. If the FBI also include a list of possible suspects, then we can solve the codes backward (I think it will violating some privacy rights but it sure will be a lot of help). Really? Ok first they probably figured it was a homicide because he was dumped in a field which people who commit suicide usually can't do to themselves, second it said he was writing codes since he was a kid so thats why him having a code is likely AND it doesn't say he was confined and wrote a code to the cops they just want to know it 1. Because it might have been some note but it could tell them where he had been and 2. If this is a code, the FBI couldn't solve it in TWELVE years, knowing how he did that is probably of some interest to him, third the FBI not helping us? Really? As you mentioned there are a few minor privacy laws to be regarded (you might want to glance through the constitution now and again) and finally this is obviously just a last-ditch desperation move, they have code-breakers and computers that are among the best in the world at this, they're probably just really hoping that someone else uses something similar already, cause no lay person will solve this from scratch if they couldn't. | ||
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lolterzard
United Kingdom17 Posts
(MNDMXN -[E]{A}R- [SE] -N-STA-KNA [RE]) *[TFR{N]E}NPIN [SE] NPB [SE] RCBBN [SE] N [PR] [SE] [INC] [PR] [SE] -N[MR]- [SE] O [PR] EHLDULD[NCBE](?TFXLFTCXLUL? [BE]) AL- [PR] ?PPITXLYPPIYN? {C[BE]M} GK [SE] INLDR{CBRN} [SE] [PR] [SE] [WL]DR {CBRN} [SE] ?NTSGNENTX? [SE] -[CRSLE] -CITR [SE] @{[WL]D}@[NCBE] AL[WL]P [NCBE] TSMELR [SE] RL [SE] ?URGLSNEASN @[WLD]@? [NCBE] (NOPF [SE] NLSRE [NCBE])NTEGDDMN [SE] NCU[RE]R {CBRNE} (?TENETFRNEN? {CBRT} [SE] [NCBE] [INC]) ([FLR] [SE [PR][SE]ON] [DE] -71- [NCBE]) ([CDN] [SE [PR][SE]ON] [SFE] -74- [NCBE]) ([PR]+] [SE [PR][SE]ON] [RE][DE] -75- [NCBE]) ([TFNR] ?CMSPSOL? -E[MR]- [DE] LU [SE] ?TOTEW [LD] NIN [LD]? [NCBE]) ?(194 @}[WLD]'S}@ [NCBE])(TRFXL)? Its the first note, broken up into repeated strands that I noticed, parts that are together are boxed in the same symbols, any one see any other patterns? NCBE CBRN WL/WLD and alot of letters before "E" seem to be common features. | ||
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jcarlson08
United States267 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
On March 30 2011 11:49 Navillus wrote: Really? Ok first they probably figured it was a homicide because he was dumped in a field which people who commit suicide usually can't do to themselves, second it said he was writing codes since he was a kid so thats why him having a code is likely AND it doesn't say he was confined and wrote a code to the cops they just want to know it 1. Because it might have been some note but it could tell them where he had been and 2. If this is a code, the FBI couldn't solve it in TWELVE years, knowing how he did that is probably of some interest to him, third the FBI not helping us? Really? As you mentioned there are a few minor privacy laws to be regarded (you might want to glance through the constitution now and again) and finally this is obviously just a last-ditch desperation move, they have code-breakers and computers that are among the best in the world at this, they're probably just really hoping that someone else uses something similar already, cause no lay person will solve this from scratch if they couldn't. I didn't catch the thrown into the field part so yeah... it can't be a suicide. I still ask the same question. Why was it writen in codes? If the victim wants to let whoever finds the codes knew who was the murder, just write down the name. Cop will then ask the murder what he was doing during that time and BAM. Case solved. I don't believe a person, even if he is writing codes all his life, will actually want to play a codebreaking game regarding to his murder. To write this code requires a lot of time. That means the victim must know ahead of time that he was going to be killed. Either he was confined and know he is going to die or he didn't know he was going to die and therefore do not know who is his murder. I do get your point that this code may refer to other information like where he was or what he was doing, etc and that may be help to the case. Maybe the FBI may provide past written codes by the victim (don't know if this violate rights). To sum it up: If he was confine and know who is the killer: Dude is crazy to not just write the name down. Well, the murder is also stupid for not searching the body carefully. If he was just killed. Then the code is not pointing directly at the murder. The coded messages would be stupid stuff like "Grand Canyon, nice place." or "Mississippi, super hot." | ||
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AoN.DimSum
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GreEny K
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
Breaking it down from his handwriting is pointless He uses different variations of writing a letter significantly, for instance E vs a more rounded backwards 3. He also does the same with very many letters. So make sure when transcibing it to give each variation of writing style on each letter a unique symbol | ||
Liquid`EliGE
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dRaW
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