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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 23:28:41
March 29 2011 23:26 GMT
#241
On March 29 2011 17:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 15:16 Mjolnir wrote:
On March 29 2011 14:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
well "who are the greatest warriors" is a pretty open-ended question

one samurai vs one legionnaire is one thing

but 1000 samurai vs 1000 legionnaires is an entirely different battle

like, a spartan would probably get crushed by a ninja because the strength of ancient spartan (and greek) armies were in their phalanxes


I wouldn't bet on it. Their military strength in battle may have been in a phalanx but that certainly doesn't mean that a Spartan hoplite couldn't hold his own in a one vs. one scenario.

Pankration was a "sport" for the ancient Greeks, and it was intense to the point where it would make MMA look like a sissies activity. They may have run around in togas and the like but they could most certainly hold their own.

Hell, even Socrates, known for his mental strength, could probably lay the smack down on most people - having served as a hoplite at Marathon.





don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a spartan would be weak in a 1 on 1 scenario

I'm just saying training to fight in a 1 on 1 scenario and be the very best in 1 on 1 combat (which would probably even vary depending on the armaments and training of the opponent one would face) is an entirely different subject when compared to the theory of how one should fight within a large cohesive force. hell you're not even going to have one best soldier in a 1v1, in reality warrior "a" probably has an advantage over "b", who probably has an advantage over "c" etc etc

also, a sort of master-of-all is master-of-none/to be strong everywhere is to be weak everywhere sort of thing is at work as well. the best techniques and methods for fighting in a duel would not be the same as the best methods and techniques one would use as part of a group. someone who devotes themselves to mastery of one has a one-up on someone who tries to mastery both (given that there are one two possibilities, when reality there are probably many more which further decreases the plausibility of attempting to master all styles)


You guys do realize there was a show on Spike TV called the Deadliest Warrior. Both warriors did incredibly well:


Spartan vs. Samurai (http://www.spike.com/articles/yznjuy/deadliest-warrior-winners-bracket-show)

This is a real strength vs strength match-up between two warriors who would absolutely never back-down, retreat or surrender.

A Spartan was the ultimate soldier who trained from childhood in the ways of war. They were known throughout the ancient western world for their battle-hardened training and for their mantra of no-retreat, no-surrender.



The Samurai were elite warriors who mastered a large array of weapons and lived their lives according to the highly ethical code of Bushido. Like Spartans, Samurai fought to the death. The Japanese believed that, in battle, a single Samurai was the equal of twenty regular soldiers.

Match-ups
Defenses
Bronze vs. Banded
The Spartans had a bronze kit that covered their shins, torso and head but their defenses really centered on the massive shield they carried. Samurai used leather and banded-steel plates to protect their bodies and a wide sloping helmet to protect their head and neck, but their real defense was speed and skill. Edge: Even

Close Combat
Xiphos vs. Katana
The Xiphos is a wicked little sword, but the Katana gets the edge for the superior length and quality of its folded steel blade. Edge: Samurai

Mid-Range
Spear vs. Naginata
The Naginata is quick and deadly, but the Spartan Spear is 8' of death. Edge: Spartan

Long Range
Javelin vs. Yumi
The Javelin can be thrown from behind a shield, but the Yumi is far more deadly and accurate at longer ranges. Edge: Samurai

Special
Shield vs. Kanabo
The Kanabo is a devastating weapon, but the spartan shield can take serious punishment and deal out death blows as well. Edge: Spartan

Prediction:
Another very close battle here but I'm giving the edge to the Spartan due to his devastating combination of Shield and Spear. With no shield of his own, a Samurai will be at a great disadvantage against the Spartan when it comes to mid-ranged combat.

(Kill Estimates)
Kills Spartan Samurai
Close 40 100
Mid 300 150
Long 30 130
Special 150 100
Total 520 480


bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
March 29 2011 23:27 GMT
#242
It's a 3-way tie, ok I guess you could put Chrono and Cloud on the same level:
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But this thread cannot go without the best. If not for warrior-ness, then for `body`
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BW4LYF . . . . . . PM me, I LOVE PMs. . . . . . Long live "NaDa's Body" . . . . . . Fantasy | Bisu/Best | Jaedong . . . . .
Aphasie
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway474 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 23:30:37
March 29 2011 23:29 GMT
#243
Real: The Berserker that held Stamford Bridge against an English army, without armor mind you. He only lost (died) when the English got in a boat and thrust their spears from underneath the bridge. Cowards!

Fictional:


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Bartuc
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands629 Posts
March 29 2011 23:29 GMT
#244
On March 30 2011 08:22 Mataza wrote:
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The Hussars.
Well you got to have balls to glue wings to your back for absolutely no reason but to look cooler and then winning with 4.000 against 40.000.

If you want a more relatable account, try this link,


Those wings actually had a purpose, supposedly the sound produced by them during a charge was used to scare enemy infantry and it freaked out enemy horses driving them wild.
It is a sign of strength to cry out against fate, rather than to bow one's head and succumb.
Detri
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom683 Posts
March 29 2011 23:36 GMT
#245
On March 29 2011 12:30 Binky1842 wrote:
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QTF^^ Splinter is clearly the greatest warrior.
The poor are thieves, beggars and whores, the rich are politicians, solicitors and courtesans...
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
March 29 2011 23:50 GMT
#246
Efficacy

Quite possibly as someone said above, English longbowmen.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_longbow

They were just so effective. They took years of practice to train, and had incredible range and accuracy. Better range and accuracy than guns did for a long time, the only downside was it was easier to buy guns than train a someone for years to use a longbow.


<3

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Pretty cool. Such a cool time in history, when there was still exploration and great deeds to be done. Probably England's peak too.
Tim17
Profile Joined January 2011
France39 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 00:01:32
March 29 2011 23:50 GMT
#247
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I'm like a hunter of peace. One who chases the elusive mayfly of love... or something like that.
Best fictionnal warrior ever.
hypno_toad
Profile Joined December 2010
United States156 Posts
March 29 2011 23:53 GMT
#248
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Robstickle
Profile Joined April 2010
Great Britain406 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 00:31:24
March 30 2011 00:28 GMT
#249
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Am I right or am I right?

On March 30 2011 08:26 StarStruck wrote:You guys do realize there was a show on Spike TV called the Deadliest Warrior. Both warriors did incredibly well:


Your average TL theory crafting thread is more insightful and scientific than that show was.
eohs
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States677 Posts
March 30 2011 00:41 GMT
#250
Now if we are talking fictional warrior then ARES THE GOD OF WAR.
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Then This is my tattoo of Ares :D
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But if we are talking about real warriors, such as in armies :D
VIKINGS
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WELCOME TO THE PARTY
Sworn
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada920 Posts
March 30 2011 00:53 GMT
#251
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Kid gohan is a badass..

For real though it's gotta been the Roman Legionnaires they were complete bad asses that basically conquered the world at the time.
"Duty is heavy as a mountain, death is light as a feather." CJ Entus Fighting! <3 Effort
Mjolnir
Profile Joined January 2009
912 Posts
March 30 2011 01:40 GMT
#252
On March 29 2011 16:30 Stroggoz wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_Murphy

oh sup you killed my friend let me just go into a rage and kill your entire squad. And that's not even how he got the medal of honor.

favorite warriors were probably the roman legionaries, the tower shield/gladius and pilum is a pretty awesome design and is professional looking. A very good standard infantry for the roman legions. Also obviously not the best warriors though, but i like their style. One of the Best warriors would be the mongol cavalry archers. Their technology>the rest of the world.
greek phalanx's and such are way overrated in this thread as usual.

phalanxs probably went out of date when generals mastered double envelopment. An average guy who goes to them gym is probably tougher than spartan warriors back then. people were shorter back then and not quite as healthy, haha.


Uhhhh... no.

Mjolnir
Profile Joined January 2009
912 Posts
March 30 2011 01:50 GMT
#253
On March 30 2011 08:26 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 17:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On March 29 2011 15:16 Mjolnir wrote:
On March 29 2011 14:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
well "who are the greatest warriors" is a pretty open-ended question

one samurai vs one legionnaire is one thing

but 1000 samurai vs 1000 legionnaires is an entirely different battle

like, a spartan would probably get crushed by a ninja because the strength of ancient spartan (and greek) armies were in their phalanxes


I wouldn't bet on it. Their military strength in battle may have been in a phalanx but that certainly doesn't mean that a Spartan hoplite couldn't hold his own in a one vs. one scenario.

Pankration was a "sport" for the ancient Greeks, and it was intense to the point where it would make MMA look like a sissies activity. They may have run around in togas and the like but they could most certainly hold their own.

Hell, even Socrates, known for his mental strength, could probably lay the smack down on most people - having served as a hoplite at Marathon.




don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a spartan would be weak in a 1 on 1 scenario

I'm just saying training to fight in a 1 on 1 scenario and be the very best in 1 on 1 combat (which would probably even vary depending on the armaments and training of the opponent one would face) is an entirely different subject when compared to the theory of how one should fight within a large cohesive force. hell you're not even going to have one best soldier in a 1v1, in reality warrior "a" probably has an advantage over "b", who probably has an advantage over "c" etc etc

also, a sort of master-of-all is master-of-none/to be strong everywhere is to be weak everywhere sort of thing is at work as well. the best techniques and methods for fighting in a duel would not be the same as the best methods and techniques one would use as part of a group. someone who devotes themselves to mastery of one has a one-up on someone who tries to mastery both (given that there are one two possibilities, when reality there are probably many more which further decreases the plausibility of attempting to master all styles)


You guys do realize there was a show on Spike TV called the Deadliest Warrior. Both warriors did incredibly well:

Show nested quote +

Spartan vs. Samurai (http://www.spike.com/articles/yznjuy/deadliest-warrior-winners-bracket-show)

This is a real strength vs strength match-up between two warriors who would absolutely never back-down, retreat or surrender.

A Spartan was the ultimate soldier who trained from childhood in the ways of war. They were known throughout the ancient western world for their battle-hardened training and for their mantra of no-retreat, no-surrender.



The Samurai were elite warriors who mastered a large array of weapons and lived their lives according to the highly ethical code of Bushido. Like Spartans, Samurai fought to the death. The Japanese believed that, in battle, a single Samurai was the equal of twenty regular soldiers.

Match-ups
Defenses
Bronze vs. Banded
The Spartans had a bronze kit that covered their shins, torso and head but their defenses really centered on the massive shield they carried. Samurai used leather and banded-steel plates to protect their bodies and a wide sloping helmet to protect their head and neck, but their real defense was speed and skill. Edge: Even

Close Combat
Xiphos vs. Katana
The Xiphos is a wicked little sword, but the Katana gets the edge for the superior length and quality of its folded steel blade. Edge: Samurai

Mid-Range
Spear vs. Naginata
The Naginata is quick and deadly, but the Spartan Spear is 8' of death. Edge: Spartan

Long Range
Javelin vs. Yumi
The Javelin can be thrown from behind a shield, but the Yumi is far more deadly and accurate at longer ranges. Edge: Samurai

Special
Shield vs. Kanabo
The Kanabo is a devastating weapon, but the spartan shield can take serious punishment and deal out death blows as well. Edge: Spartan

Prediction:
Another very close battle here but I'm giving the edge to the Spartan due to his devastating combination of Shield and Spear. With no shield of his own, a Samurai will be at a great disadvantage against the Spartan when it comes to mid-ranged combat.

(Kill Estimates)
Kills Spartan Samurai
Close 40 100
Mid 300 150
Long 30 130
Special 150 100
Total 520 480




"The Deadliest Warrior" is absolute trash. Sorry to burst the bubble but the system they use to determine which warrior is better than the next is so utterly unscientific (despite their efforts to sell it as such) that the outcomes are little better than the conjecture we have in this debate.

Fun and all; but proves about as much as this thread.

absalom86
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland1770 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 02:47:48
March 30 2011 02:26 GMT
#254
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 30 2011 04:09 dezi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2011 18:24 Reggae-Troll wrote:
My personal favourite though is the Red Baron, the ace of aces:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_baron

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Be sure to check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Hartmann then :p

My warrior is: Barbarossa
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor

That guy is as cold as ice. Reading his whole Wikipedia article was very interesting.
Thief @ #teamliquid @ Quakenet
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 30 2011 02:45 GMT
#255
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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
absalom86
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland1770 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 02:47:30
March 30 2011 02:46 GMT
#256
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 30 2011 09:41 SeizeTheDay wrote:
Now if we are talking fictional warrior then ARES THE GOD OF WAR.
[image loading]
Then This is my tattoo of Ares :D
[image loading]

But if we are talking about real warriors, such as in armies :D
VIKINGS
[image loading]


Vikings weren't all that mcuh of an organized army unit. Mostly just a bunch of bigger than usual guys that lived for warfare and were fine with dying in battle.
Thief @ #teamliquid @ Quakenet
kasumimi
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Greece460 Posts
March 30 2011 03:01 GMT
#257
On March 30 2011 07:55 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 03:25 Greggle wrote:
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The only real option. Guts could take anyone in this entire thread.

Edit: Yes, even the dudes with the guns.
This wins easy.


Damn, you beat me to it.

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Brethern
Profile Joined February 2011
231 Posts
March 30 2011 03:57 GMT
#258
On March 30 2011 10:50 Mjolnir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 08:26 StarStruck wrote:
On March 29 2011 17:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On March 29 2011 15:16 Mjolnir wrote:
On March 29 2011 14:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
well "who are the greatest warriors" is a pretty open-ended question

one samurai vs one legionnaire is one thing

but 1000 samurai vs 1000 legionnaires is an entirely different battle

like, a spartan would probably get crushed by a ninja because the strength of ancient spartan (and greek) armies were in their phalanxes


I wouldn't bet on it. Their military strength in battle may have been in a phalanx but that certainly doesn't mean that a Spartan hoplite couldn't hold his own in a one vs. one scenario.

Pankration was a "sport" for the ancient Greeks, and it was intense to the point where it would make MMA look like a sissies activity. They may have run around in togas and the like but they could most certainly hold their own.

Hell, even Socrates, known for his mental strength, could probably lay the smack down on most people - having served as a hoplite at Marathon.




don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a spartan would be weak in a 1 on 1 scenario

I'm just saying training to fight in a 1 on 1 scenario and be the very best in 1 on 1 combat (which would probably even vary depending on the armaments and training of the opponent one would face) is an entirely different subject when compared to the theory of how one should fight within a large cohesive force. hell you're not even going to have one best soldier in a 1v1, in reality warrior "a" probably has an advantage over "b", who probably has an advantage over "c" etc etc

also, a sort of master-of-all is master-of-none/to be strong everywhere is to be weak everywhere sort of thing is at work as well. the best techniques and methods for fighting in a duel would not be the same as the best methods and techniques one would use as part of a group. someone who devotes themselves to mastery of one has a one-up on someone who tries to mastery both (given that there are one two possibilities, when reality there are probably many more which further decreases the plausibility of attempting to master all styles)


You guys do realize there was a show on Spike TV called the Deadliest Warrior. Both warriors did incredibly well:


Spartan vs. Samurai (http://www.spike.com/articles/yznjuy/deadliest-warrior-winners-bracket-show)

This is a real strength vs strength match-up between two warriors who would absolutely never back-down, retreat or surrender.

A Spartan was the ultimate soldier who trained from childhood in the ways of war. They were known throughout the ancient western world for their battle-hardened training and for their mantra of no-retreat, no-surrender.



The Samurai were elite warriors who mastered a large array of weapons and lived their lives according to the highly ethical code of Bushido. Like Spartans, Samurai fought to the death. The Japanese believed that, in battle, a single Samurai was the equal of twenty regular soldiers.

Match-ups
Defenses
Bronze vs. Banded
The Spartans had a bronze kit that covered their shins, torso and head but their defenses really centered on the massive shield they carried. Samurai used leather and banded-steel plates to protect their bodies and a wide sloping helmet to protect their head and neck, but their real defense was speed and skill. Edge: Even

Close Combat
Xiphos vs. Katana
The Xiphos is a wicked little sword, but the Katana gets the edge for the superior length and quality of its folded steel blade. Edge: Samurai

Mid-Range
Spear vs. Naginata
The Naginata is quick and deadly, but the Spartan Spear is 8' of death. Edge: Spartan

Long Range
Javelin vs. Yumi
The Javelin can be thrown from behind a shield, but the Yumi is far more deadly and accurate at longer ranges. Edge: Samurai

Special
Shield vs. Kanabo
The Kanabo is a devastating weapon, but the spartan shield can take serious punishment and deal out death blows as well. Edge: Spartan

Prediction:
Another very close battle here but I'm giving the edge to the Spartan due to his devastating combination of Shield and Spear. With no shield of his own, a Samurai will be at a great disadvantage against the Spartan when it comes to mid-ranged combat.

(Kill Estimates)
Kills Spartan Samurai
Close 40 100
Mid 300 150
Long 30 130
Special 150 100
Total 520 480




"The Deadliest Warrior" is absolute trash. Sorry to burst the bubble but the system they use to determine which warrior is better than the next is so utterly unscientific (despite their efforts to sell it as such) that the outcomes are little better than the conjecture we have in this debate.

Fun and all; but proves about as much as this thread.


You mean people actually watch that for science stuff?

I watch it to see things get shot stabbed and blown up.
Xeteh
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States589 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 08:54:24
March 30 2011 08:52 GMT
#259
Without going in to debates over historical warriors/armies/bad ass snipers, I'm surprised no one mentioned Fedor Emelianenko.

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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
March 30 2011 10:39 GMT
#260
On March 30 2011 08:29 Bartuc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 08:22 Mataza wrote:
[image loading]
The Hussars.
Well you got to have balls to glue wings to your back for absolutely no reason but to look cooler and then winning with 4.000 against 40.000.

If you want a more relatable account, try this link,


Those wings actually had a purpose, supposedly the sound produced by them during a charge was used to scare enemy infantry and it freaked out enemy horses driving them wild.

My point exactly, they´re useless.
You could also argue that that they look scarier with wings on the back.

The point is, they constricted their freedom of movement during battle on horseback for a dubiuos and intangible advantage.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
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