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On March 29 2011 17:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 15:16 Mjolnir wrote:On March 29 2011 14:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote: well "who are the greatest warriors" is a pretty open-ended question
one samurai vs one legionnaire is one thing
but 1000 samurai vs 1000 legionnaires is an entirely different battle
like, a spartan would probably get crushed by a ninja because the strength of ancient spartan (and greek) armies were in their phalanxes I wouldn't bet on it. Their military strength in battle may have been in a phalanx but that certainly doesn't mean that a Spartan hoplite couldn't hold his own in a one vs. one scenario. Pankration was a "sport" for the ancient Greeks, and it was intense to the point where it would make MMA look like a sissies activity. They may have run around in togas and the like but they could most certainly hold their own. Hell, even Socrates, known for his mental strength, could probably lay the smack down on most people - having served as a hoplite at Marathon. don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a spartan would be weak in a 1 on 1 scenario I'm just saying training to fight in a 1 on 1 scenario and be the very best in 1 on 1 combat (which would probably even vary depending on the armaments and training of the opponent one would face) is an entirely different subject when compared to the theory of how one should fight within a large cohesive force. hell you're not even going to have one best soldier in a 1v1, in reality warrior "a" probably has an advantage over "b", who probably has an advantage over "c" etc etc also, a sort of master-of-all is master-of-none/to be strong everywhere is to be weak everywhere sort of thing is at work as well. the best techniques and methods for fighting in a duel would not be the same as the best methods and techniques one would use as part of a group. someone who devotes themselves to mastery of one has a one-up on someone who tries to mastery both (given that there are one two possibilities, when reality there are probably many more which further decreases the plausibility of attempting to master all styles)
You guys do realize there was a show on Spike TV called the Deadliest Warrior. Both warriors did incredibly well:
Spartan vs. Samurai (http://www.spike.com/articles/yznjuy/deadliest-warrior-winners-bracket-show)
This is a real strength vs strength match-up between two warriors who would absolutely never back-down, retreat or surrender.
A Spartan was the ultimate soldier who trained from childhood in the ways of war. They were known throughout the ancient western world for their battle-hardened training and for their mantra of no-retreat, no-surrender.
The Samurai were elite warriors who mastered a large array of weapons and lived their lives according to the highly ethical code of Bushido. Like Spartans, Samurai fought to the death. The Japanese believed that, in battle, a single Samurai was the equal of twenty regular soldiers.
Match-ups Defenses Bronze vs. Banded The Spartans had a bronze kit that covered their shins, torso and head but their defenses really centered on the massive shield they carried. Samurai used leather and banded-steel plates to protect their bodies and a wide sloping helmet to protect their head and neck, but their real defense was speed and skill. Edge: Even
Close Combat Xiphos vs. Katana The Xiphos is a wicked little sword, but the Katana gets the edge for the superior length and quality of its folded steel blade. Edge: Samurai
Mid-Range Spear vs. Naginata The Naginata is quick and deadly, but the Spartan Spear is 8' of death. Edge: Spartan
Long Range Javelin vs. Yumi The Javelin can be thrown from behind a shield, but the Yumi is far more deadly and accurate at longer ranges. Edge: Samurai
Special Shield vs. Kanabo The Kanabo is a devastating weapon, but the spartan shield can take serious punishment and deal out death blows as well. Edge: Spartan
Prediction: Another very close battle here but I'm giving the edge to the Spartan due to his devastating combination of Shield and Spear. With no shield of his own, a Samurai will be at a great disadvantage against the Spartan when it comes to mid-ranged combat.
(Kill Estimates) Kills Spartan Samurai Close 40 100 Mid 300 150 Long 30 130 Special 150 100 Total 520 480
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It's a 3-way tie, ok I guess you could put Chrono and Cloud on the same level:
Resurrection FTW
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But this thread cannot go without the best. If not for warrior-ness, then for `body` + Show Spoiler [WARNING] +
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Real: The Berserker that held Stamford Bridge against an English army, without armor mind you. He only lost (died) when the English got in a boat and thrust their spears from underneath the bridge. Cowards!
Fictional:
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On March 30 2011 08:22 Mataza wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.badassoftheweek.com/hussars.jpg) The Hussars. Well you got to have balls to glue wings to your back for absolutely no reason but to look cooler and then winning with 4.000 against 40.000. If you want a more relatable account, try this link,
Those wings actually had a purpose, supposedly the sound produced by them during a charge was used to scare enemy infantry and it freaked out enemy horses driving them wild.
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On March 29 2011 12:30 Binky1842 wrote: +![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/uV5f5.jpg)
QTF^^ Splinter is clearly the greatest warrior.
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Efficacy
Quite possibly as someone said above, English longbowmen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_longbow
They were just so effective. They took years of practice to train, and had incredible range and accuracy. Better range and accuracy than guns did for a long time, the only downside was it was easier to buy guns than train a someone for years to use a longbow.
<3
![[image loading]](http://www.british-redcoats.co.uk/userimages/thebritishredcoat.jpg)
Pretty cool. Such a cool time in history, when there was still exploration and great deeds to be done. Probably England's peak too.
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![[image loading]](http://webspace.webring.com/people/st/thehighpriestofbiology/v11.jpg) I'm like a hunter of peace. One who chases the elusive mayfly of love... or something like that. Best fictionnal warrior ever.
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![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b2/Ba4.jpg)
Am I right or am I right?
On March 30 2011 08:26 StarStruck wrote:You guys do realize there was a show on Spike TV called the Deadliest Warrior. Both warriors did incredibly well:
Your average TL theory crafting thread is more insightful and scientific than that show was.
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Now if we are talking fictional warrior then ARES THE GOD OF WAR.
![[image loading]](http://www.glogster.com/media/5/16/2/74/16027463.jpg) Then This is my tattoo of Ares :D
![[image loading]](http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/28689_103817116332352_100001121935952_33455_3749971_n.jpg)
But if we are talking about real warriors, such as in armies :D VIKINGS
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZD5ry.jpg)
Kid gohan is a badass..
For real though it's gotta been the Roman Legionnaires they were complete bad asses that basically conquered the world at the time.
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On March 29 2011 16:30 Stroggoz wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_Murphy oh sup you killed my friend let me just go into a rage and kill your entire squad. And that's not even how he got the medal of honor. favorite warriors were probably the roman legionaries, the tower shield/gladius and pilum is a pretty awesome design and is professional looking. A very good standard infantry for the roman legions. Also obviously not the best warriors though, but i like their style. One of the Best warriors would be the mongol cavalry archers. Their technology>the rest of the world. greek phalanx's and such are way overrated in this thread as usual. phalanxs probably went out of date when generals mastered double envelopment. An average guy who goes to them gym is probably tougher than spartan warriors back then. people were shorter back then and not quite as healthy, haha.
Uhhhh... no.
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On March 30 2011 08:26 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2011 17:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On March 29 2011 15:16 Mjolnir wrote:On March 29 2011 14:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote: well "who are the greatest warriors" is a pretty open-ended question
one samurai vs one legionnaire is one thing
but 1000 samurai vs 1000 legionnaires is an entirely different battle
like, a spartan would probably get crushed by a ninja because the strength of ancient spartan (and greek) armies were in their phalanxes I wouldn't bet on it. Their military strength in battle may have been in a phalanx but that certainly doesn't mean that a Spartan hoplite couldn't hold his own in a one vs. one scenario. Pankration was a "sport" for the ancient Greeks, and it was intense to the point where it would make MMA look like a sissies activity. They may have run around in togas and the like but they could most certainly hold their own. Hell, even Socrates, known for his mental strength, could probably lay the smack down on most people - having served as a hoplite at Marathon. don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a spartan would be weak in a 1 on 1 scenario I'm just saying training to fight in a 1 on 1 scenario and be the very best in 1 on 1 combat (which would probably even vary depending on the armaments and training of the opponent one would face) is an entirely different subject when compared to the theory of how one should fight within a large cohesive force. hell you're not even going to have one best soldier in a 1v1, in reality warrior "a" probably has an advantage over "b", who probably has an advantage over "c" etc etc also, a sort of master-of-all is master-of-none/to be strong everywhere is to be weak everywhere sort of thing is at work as well. the best techniques and methods for fighting in a duel would not be the same as the best methods and techniques one would use as part of a group. someone who devotes themselves to mastery of one has a one-up on someone who tries to mastery both (given that there are one two possibilities, when reality there are probably many more which further decreases the plausibility of attempting to master all styles) You guys do realize there was a show on Spike TV called the Deadliest Warrior. Both warriors did incredibly well: Show nested quote + Spartan vs. Samurai (http://www.spike.com/articles/yznjuy/deadliest-warrior-winners-bracket-show)
This is a real strength vs strength match-up between two warriors who would absolutely never back-down, retreat or surrender.
A Spartan was the ultimate soldier who trained from childhood in the ways of war. They were known throughout the ancient western world for their battle-hardened training and for their mantra of no-retreat, no-surrender.
The Samurai were elite warriors who mastered a large array of weapons and lived their lives according to the highly ethical code of Bushido. Like Spartans, Samurai fought to the death. The Japanese believed that, in battle, a single Samurai was the equal of twenty regular soldiers.
Match-ups Defenses Bronze vs. Banded The Spartans had a bronze kit that covered their shins, torso and head but their defenses really centered on the massive shield they carried. Samurai used leather and banded-steel plates to protect their bodies and a wide sloping helmet to protect their head and neck, but their real defense was speed and skill. Edge: Even
Close Combat Xiphos vs. Katana The Xiphos is a wicked little sword, but the Katana gets the edge for the superior length and quality of its folded steel blade. Edge: Samurai
Mid-Range Spear vs. Naginata The Naginata is quick and deadly, but the Spartan Spear is 8' of death. Edge: Spartan
Long Range Javelin vs. Yumi The Javelin can be thrown from behind a shield, but the Yumi is far more deadly and accurate at longer ranges. Edge: Samurai
Special Shield vs. Kanabo The Kanabo is a devastating weapon, but the spartan shield can take serious punishment and deal out death blows as well. Edge: Spartan
Prediction: Another very close battle here but I'm giving the edge to the Spartan due to his devastating combination of Shield and Spear. With no shield of his own, a Samurai will be at a great disadvantage against the Spartan when it comes to mid-ranged combat.
(Kill Estimates) Kills Spartan Samurai Close 40 100 Mid 300 150 Long 30 130 Special 150 100 Total 520 480
"The Deadliest Warrior" is absolute trash. Sorry to burst the bubble but the system they use to determine which warrior is better than the next is so utterly unscientific (despite their efforts to sell it as such) that the outcomes are little better than the conjecture we have in this debate.
Fun and all; but proves about as much as this thread.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 30 2011 09:41 SeizeTheDay wrote:Now if we are talking fictional warrior then ARES THE GOD OF WAR. ![[image loading]](http://www.glogster.com/media/5/16/2/74/16027463.jpg) Then This is my tattoo of Ares :D ![[image loading]](http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/28689_103817116332352_100001121935952_33455_3749971_n.jpg) But if we are talking about real warriors, such as in armies :D VIKINGS ![[image loading]](http://th02.deviantart.net/fs71/300W/f/2011/070/9/8/viking_warrior_by_blizzardss-d3bdx19.jpg)
Vikings weren't all that mcuh of an organized army unit. Mostly just a bunch of bigger than usual guys that lived for warfare and were fine with dying in battle.
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On March 30 2011 07:55 Kamais_Ookin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 03:25 Greggle wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.internet.is/darris/myndir/misc/Berserk3.jpg) The only real option. Guts could take anyone in this entire thread. Edit: Yes, even the dudes with the guns. This wins easy.
Damn, you beat me to it.
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On March 30 2011 10:50 Mjolnir wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 08:26 StarStruck wrote:On March 29 2011 17:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On March 29 2011 15:16 Mjolnir wrote:On March 29 2011 14:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote: well "who are the greatest warriors" is a pretty open-ended question
one samurai vs one legionnaire is one thing
but 1000 samurai vs 1000 legionnaires is an entirely different battle
like, a spartan would probably get crushed by a ninja because the strength of ancient spartan (and greek) armies were in their phalanxes I wouldn't bet on it. Their military strength in battle may have been in a phalanx but that certainly doesn't mean that a Spartan hoplite couldn't hold his own in a one vs. one scenario. Pankration was a "sport" for the ancient Greeks, and it was intense to the point where it would make MMA look like a sissies activity. They may have run around in togas and the like but they could most certainly hold their own. Hell, even Socrates, known for his mental strength, could probably lay the smack down on most people - having served as a hoplite at Marathon. don't get me wrong, I'm not saying a spartan would be weak in a 1 on 1 scenario I'm just saying training to fight in a 1 on 1 scenario and be the very best in 1 on 1 combat (which would probably even vary depending on the armaments and training of the opponent one would face) is an entirely different subject when compared to the theory of how one should fight within a large cohesive force. hell you're not even going to have one best soldier in a 1v1, in reality warrior "a" probably has an advantage over "b", who probably has an advantage over "c" etc etc also, a sort of master-of-all is master-of-none/to be strong everywhere is to be weak everywhere sort of thing is at work as well. the best techniques and methods for fighting in a duel would not be the same as the best methods and techniques one would use as part of a group. someone who devotes themselves to mastery of one has a one-up on someone who tries to mastery both (given that there are one two possibilities, when reality there are probably many more which further decreases the plausibility of attempting to master all styles) You guys do realize there was a show on Spike TV called the Deadliest Warrior. Both warriors did incredibly well: Spartan vs. Samurai (http://www.spike.com/articles/yznjuy/deadliest-warrior-winners-bracket-show)
This is a real strength vs strength match-up between two warriors who would absolutely never back-down, retreat or surrender.
A Spartan was the ultimate soldier who trained from childhood in the ways of war. They were known throughout the ancient western world for their battle-hardened training and for their mantra of no-retreat, no-surrender.
The Samurai were elite warriors who mastered a large array of weapons and lived their lives according to the highly ethical code of Bushido. Like Spartans, Samurai fought to the death. The Japanese believed that, in battle, a single Samurai was the equal of twenty regular soldiers.
Match-ups Defenses Bronze vs. Banded The Spartans had a bronze kit that covered their shins, torso and head but their defenses really centered on the massive shield they carried. Samurai used leather and banded-steel plates to protect their bodies and a wide sloping helmet to protect their head and neck, but their real defense was speed and skill. Edge: Even
Close Combat Xiphos vs. Katana The Xiphos is a wicked little sword, but the Katana gets the edge for the superior length and quality of its folded steel blade. Edge: Samurai
Mid-Range Spear vs. Naginata The Naginata is quick and deadly, but the Spartan Spear is 8' of death. Edge: Spartan
Long Range Javelin vs. Yumi The Javelin can be thrown from behind a shield, but the Yumi is far more deadly and accurate at longer ranges. Edge: Samurai
Special Shield vs. Kanabo The Kanabo is a devastating weapon, but the spartan shield can take serious punishment and deal out death blows as well. Edge: Spartan
Prediction: Another very close battle here but I'm giving the edge to the Spartan due to his devastating combination of Shield and Spear. With no shield of his own, a Samurai will be at a great disadvantage against the Spartan when it comes to mid-ranged combat.
(Kill Estimates) Kills Spartan Samurai Close 40 100 Mid 300 150 Long 30 130 Special 150 100 Total 520 480
"The Deadliest Warrior" is absolute trash. Sorry to burst the bubble but the system they use to determine which warrior is better than the next is so utterly unscientific (despite their efforts to sell it as such) that the outcomes are little better than the conjecture we have in this debate. Fun and all; but proves about as much as this thread. You mean people actually watch that for science stuff?
I watch it to see things get shot stabbed and blown up.
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Without going in to debates over historical warriors/armies/bad ass snipers, I'm surprised no one mentioned Fedor Emelianenko.
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On March 30 2011 08:29 Bartuc wrote:Those wings actually had a purpose, supposedly the sound produced by them during a charge was used to scare enemy infantry and it freaked out enemy horses driving them wild. My point exactly, they´re useless. You could also argue that that they look scarier with wings on the back.
The point is, they constricted their freedom of movement during battle on horseback for a dubiuos and intangible advantage.
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