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Yea, that's pretty much true of home-grown American terrorists as well. They tend to be about as educated as the general population. Here's an interesting transcript of a radio interview with a guy who wrote a book trying to profile what the typical terrorist looks like:
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/02/465257993/who-are-americas-homegrown-terrorists
we looked at 300 cases plus of Americans convicted since 9/11 of some kind of jihadi terrorism crime ranging from the relatively minor to the major, such as murder. And the profile we found was average age 29, a third married, a third kids, as educated as normal Americans, mental problems actually at a lower incidence than the general population. And so you're looking at middle-class - these are not young hotheads of the popular imagination there. You're looking at kind of middle-class, married, you know, late 20s. And in fact, when we came to that conclusion, we didn't know that the San Bernardino attackers, one of them is 27, one is 28. They were married, they had a child. The male perpetrator had a job earning $70,000 a year. They were very much solidly part of the American middle class. And so why did they turn to violence and kill 14 people just arbitrarily? You know, that's a really big puzzle. I mean, you could try and explain it by they were influenced by al-Qaida's ideology and ISIS's ideology, that they objected to American foreign policy. But lots of people object to American foreign policy and don't go and just arbitrarily kill 14 people attending a Christmas office party.
They also talk about how 20% of people who travel to Syria to join ISIS are women, and how that's pretty much unprecedented in modern times. That to me is really the scariest part of the whole ISIS thing, that it's being perpetrated by normal people with some opportunity and seemingly normal lives, rather than people who are destitute or desperate or uneducated.
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for you, the scariest thing here should be the fact that as long as someone walks the walk, you see him as part of the team, your team. you are taught that everything revolves around culture and as long as you can bend someone to follow yours, you're good to go, he's one of yours; consequently you feel safe around him.
another thing is that social sciences is a joke of a not even a science there, but it should be the one to teach you that nurture(culture) will never outweigh nature(instinct) on a personal level.
that culture you praise so high and feel so safe when partaking, is a fucking freak show enabled by massive drug abuse sanctioned by yours truly...
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rather than people who are destitute or desperate or uneducated.
Where did you get the idea that they are not desperate?
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Interesting news coming out of the bastion of democracy in Syria, Idlib. A 'slightly moderate opposition' group Jund al-Aqsa has attacked the less moderate Ahrar al-Sham which are friends with the 'freedom fighters' of Al-Nusra. This has resulted in the death of several dozen on both sides including some warlords, with Jund al-Aqsa seizing a few settlements and trophies (1 BMP). Most of Ahrar al-Sham's democratic colleges in Syria have expressed sympathy with them, Al-Nusra being the most vocal.
Regardless, before the bloodletting in Idlib province Jund al-Aqsa had been leading a quite successful offensive against the Syrian government in northern Hama with the tides shifting in the last few days, most likely because of the squabbles over who is the most democratic.
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SAA reversing losses from September in Hama province
As for the other fronts here is a gif of Syrian advancements in Aleppo since September the 25th:
And the results of fighting in Eastern Ghouta in recent months:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kfX1bDr.jpg)
P.S. It seems there is a lot of action going on today in Hama and Idlib, will post something later when it all settles down. Jund al-Aqsa and Ahrar al-Sham are really going at each other, reports coming in of even tanks being used.
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Russia vetoed the French-drafted resolution that would have demanded an immediate end to air strikes and military flights over Syria's Aleppo city and called for a truce and humanitarian aid access throughout Syria.
It is the fifth time Russia has vetoed a UN resolution on Syria during the more than five-year conflict.
The previous four times Moscow was backed by Beijing, but on Saturday China abstained from the vote.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/syria-war-security-council-votes-aleppo-161008164635062.html
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yea well, tit for tat(almost):
http://en.mehrnews.com/news/120370/Russia-s-UN-resolution-on-peace-ousting-Al-Nusra-from-Aleppo NEW YORK, Oct. 09 (MNA) – Russia's proposed UNSC resolution which called for Al-Nusra Front terrorists (al-Qaeda) to be evacuated from Aleppo in order to advance peace failed with several Western countries refusing to support it.
On Saturday, Russia proposed an alternative United Nations Security Council resolution on the crisis in Syria's Aleppo that called for Al-Nusra Front terrorists to be evacuated from the city in order to allow peace and reconciliation efforts between the Syrian government and the so-called moderate rebels to advance, but that proposal died on the floor with the Western bloc of the UN refusing to support the proposal.
The idea behind the proposal is based on observations by the United Nation's Envoy to Syria who viewed the removal of the notorious terrorist group that was formerly Syria's al-Qaeda affiliate as a positive step that should be taken and a potential precursor to bringing down the growing level of violence in the besieged city of Aleppo.
The Russian proposal only received four votes in favor while nine countries voted against it and two countries abstained so a veto was not needed to stop the vote.
Edit: meanwhile https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2016/10/8/rebel-groups-seek-collaboration-to-break-east-aleppo-siege Sixteen different rebel groups in Syria have issued an announcement that they intend to work with rebel group Ahrar al-Sham to fight the salafist rebel group Jund al-Aqsa.
The communique was published via Twitter the same day as a YouTube video emerged of a rebel leader describing a 'coalition' force that would break the siege of Aleppo.
"God willing, the battle for Aleppo is very close and the camps of all the [rebel] factions are gathering, with [Harakat Nour al-Din] al-Zenki, Nusra [now: Jabhat Fateh al-Sham], Ahrar [al-Sham] - all of them as one army," said Molham Ekaidi, 26, a leader of the Fastaqim Union.
"Inside and outside Aleppo, we will fight as one."
Fighting between Ahrar al-Sham and Jund al-Aqsa has intensified in the area around Idlib in recent days, with graphic footage emerging of Jund al-Aqsa allegedly murdering prisoners.
...The announcement from the group of 16 rebel groups calls for a "speedy resolution" against Jund al-Aqsa, which they accuse of "assassinating numerous members" of rebel groups.
The US government designated Jund al-Aqsa a terrorist group on 20 September, as it is seen as having originated from al-Qaeda. It also placed Nusra Front, now Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, on the terrorist list in 2012.
A number of rebel groups issued a statement in September, allying themselves with Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, despite the US government's calls against them.
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On October 08 2016 19:55 Wrath wrote: Where did you get the idea that they are not desperate?
Generally people who are well off, accepted in society, and are doing very well for themselves aren't exactly desperate. Desperate doesn't usually mean a university educated male who has a degree in engineering and decided to go blow up some infidels.
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On October 09 2016 16:11 SK.Testie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 19:55 Wrath wrote:rather than people who are destitute or desperate or uneducated. Where did you get the idea that they are not desperate? Generally people who are well off, accepted in society, and are doing very well for themselves aren't exactly desperate. Desperate doesn't usually mean a university educated male who has a degree in engineering and decided to go blow up some infidels.
The Middle east /north Africa has a huge problem with young educated people who can't get a job due to corruption, cronyism etc. Being university educated does not automatically mean you're well off, accepted into society and doing very well for yourself.
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On October 09 2016 18:08 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 16:11 SK.Testie wrote:On October 08 2016 19:55 Wrath wrote:rather than people who are destitute or desperate or uneducated. Where did you get the idea that they are not desperate? Generally people who are well off, accepted in society, and are doing very well for themselves aren't exactly desperate. Desperate doesn't usually mean a university educated male who has a degree in engineering and decided to go blow up some infidels. The Middle east /north Africa has a huge problem with young educated people who can't get a job due to corruption, cronyism etc. Being university educated does not automatically mean you're well off, accepted into society and doing very well for yourself.
This.
Also, the reason why they "blow" themselves is not because religion says so. Islam existed for over 1400 years. Yet, this whole AL-QAEDA / ISIS media whoring started about 10-20 years only.
Basically this is how things look to the middle east:
Islam came and unified the region and became as one until the fall of Ottoman empire. France and Britain (The west in general) came and divided it by literally straight lines. and creating some minority conflicts. When those days ended and they left the area. To the people, the rulers came to power were "pawns" to the west and controlled by them. So it is like an occupation behind the shadow.
After the 11th of September followed by the Iraq war, muslims and majorly Arabs started to feel more and more pushed to the edge. The future keeps looking shitter and shitter with each passing day. The more they look at the past how they were a major power (during Ottoman times and before). The more they grow hatred to the west in general.
Some just couldn't handle it and they wanted to do as much harm as they can do even if it costs them their lives. Which leads to "blowing" themselves.
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In case anyone wants an update about the Libyan civil war:
It's been four months since the storming of Sirte, the capitol of ISIS in Libya (and the hometown of Gaddafi). Despite the overwhelming numerical superiority of the conglomerate of various Libyan factions and with the support of the US, France, Italy and Great Britain the city has still not been taken with ISIS gradually falling back and being left with a few residential blocks in northeastern Sirte.
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Using underground tunnels, suicide bombers, snipers and landmines ISIS has inflicted heavy losses on the assaulting forces, in the field of 2800 to 3300 killed and wounded since June. Large scale attacks often resulted in significant losses so they started taking it slow, aircraft bombing runs, artillery then slowly capturing building by building. The fact that no special units of NATO member countries took part in this was also one of the reasons this took so long.
All in all, by the end of October, beginning of November ISIS will be completely defeated in Sirte, they only have 200-300 people capable of fighting left. Because most factions in Libya (tribes, Al-Qaeda, pro and anti-NATO warlords ect.) view ISIS with disdain, the fall of Sirte means the effective destruction of ISIS in Libya. Of course ISIS will go underground but as a major player its over.
What next for Libya? Well with this win the squabbling rebel factions can go back to their civil war over the ruins of post-Gaddafi Libya.
edit: A few maps showing the current situation.
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Red: Under the control of the Tobruk-led Government and Libyan National Army
Green: Under the control of the Government of National Accord and Allies
Black: Controlled by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
White/grey: Controlled by the Mujahedeen Councils of Derna, Benghazi and Adjabiya
Blue: Controlled by local tribes
Yellow:Controlled by Tuareg forces
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This map shows who controls what oil production/transport facilities (open in a new tab to see it better)
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So an update on whats been going on with the military situation in Syria. In an interesting twist Jund al-Aqsa after causing all that mayhem the last few days has pledged allegiance to Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, who you might remember under the name Al-Nusra. Apparently Jund al-Aqsa no longer exists and all their assets and manpower are now part of JFS. How pissed off Ahrar al-Sham is remains to be seen. The most realistic death toll is around 77 looking at sources from both sides.
If you want to read more, here is a Reuters article on the subject.
The Syrian army meanwhile has continued its advance against jihadies in northern Hama and have taken, lost, then retaken the town of Ma'an, a very strategic location (topographically speaking) that opens up further advancements in the area.
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(for more detail open in a new tab)
edit: As for eastern Aleppo the SAA has advanced into Owaija and the Jandoul roundabout
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On October 09 2016 19:08 Wrath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 18:08 RvB wrote:On October 09 2016 16:11 SK.Testie wrote:On October 08 2016 19:55 Wrath wrote:rather than people who are destitute or desperate or uneducated. Where did you get the idea that they are not desperate? Generally people who are well off, accepted in society, and are doing very well for themselves aren't exactly desperate. Desperate doesn't usually mean a university educated male who has a degree in engineering and decided to go blow up some infidels. The Middle east /north Africa has a huge problem with young educated people who can't get a job due to corruption, cronyism etc. Being university educated does not automatically mean you're well off, accepted into society and doing very well for yourself. This. Also, the reason why they "blow" themselves is not because religion says so. Islam existed for over 1400 years. Yet, this whole AL-QAEDA / ISIS media whoring started about 10-20 years only. Basically this is how things look to the middle east: Islam came and unified the region and became as one until the fall of Ottoman empire. France and Britain (The west in general) came and divided it by literally straight lines. and creating some minority conflicts. When those days ended and they left the area. To the people, the rulers came to power were "pawns" to the west and controlled by them. So it is like an occupation behind the shadow. After the 11th of September followed by the Iraq war, muslims and majorly Arabs started to feel more and more pushed to the edge. The future keeps looking shitter and shitter with each passing day. The more they look at the past how they were a major power (during Ottoman times and before). The more they grow hatred to the west in general. Some just couldn't handle it and they wanted to do as much harm as they can do even if it costs them their lives. Which leads to "blowing" themselves.
You are arguing against the results of a study by giving only anecdotal evidence. No one is saying that young middle eastern men feed good about their future. But we do know that socioeconomic factors cannot explain the descent into violence for these men in particular. Something else is driving it. Hatred towards the west? sure, maybe. But you're really going to claim that religion is not a factor?
On October 09 2016 18:08 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 16:11 SK.Testie wrote:On October 08 2016 19:55 Wrath wrote:rather than people who are destitute or desperate or uneducated. Where did you get the idea that they are not desperate? Generally people who are well off, accepted in society, and are doing very well for themselves aren't exactly desperate. Desperate doesn't usually mean a university educated male who has a degree in engineering and decided to go blow up some infidels. The Middle east /north Africa has a huge problem with young educated people who can't get a job due to corruption, cronyism etc. Being university educated does not automatically mean you're well off, accepted into society and doing very well for yourself.
The data shows clearly, the report said, that "poverty is not a driver of radicalization into violent extremism."
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On October 09 2016 19:08 Wrath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 18:08 RvB wrote:On October 09 2016 16:11 SK.Testie wrote:On October 08 2016 19:55 Wrath wrote:rather than people who are destitute or desperate or uneducated. Where did you get the idea that they are not desperate? Generally people who are well off, accepted in society, and are doing very well for themselves aren't exactly desperate. Desperate doesn't usually mean a university educated male who has a degree in engineering and decided to go blow up some infidels. The Middle east /north Africa has a huge problem with young educated people who can't get a job due to corruption, cronyism etc. Being university educated does not automatically mean you're well off, accepted into society and doing very well for yourself. This. Also, the reason why they "blow" themselves is not because religion says so. Islam existed for over 1400 years. Yet, this whole AL-QAEDA / ISIS media whoring started about 10-20 years only. Basically this is how things look to the middle east: Islam came and unified the region and became as one until the fall of Ottoman empire. France and Britain (The west in general) came and divided it by literally straight lines. and creating some minority conflicts. When those days ended and they left the area. To the people, the rulers came to power were "pawns" to the west and controlled by them. So it is like an occupation behind the shadow. After the 11th of September followed by the Iraq war, muslims and majorly Arabs started to feel more and more pushed to the edge. The future keeps looking shitter and shitter with each passing day. The more they look at the past how they were a major power (during Ottoman times and before). The more they grow hatred to the west in general. Some just couldn't handle it and they wanted to do as much harm as they can do even if it costs them their lives. Which leads to "blowing" themselves.
Yeah and nazism has nothing to do with shoah, when ppl says they kill in the name of an ideology, this made it tinted of blood, religious are obviously champions to twist reality but come on, this is pretty amazing how ppl seem to ignore the fact that others kill for Allah. I don't care about a real Islam which is distorded, I don't believe in it so there are a lot of Islam and there are currently some versions whch do not correspond to our society, that's all. The Islam of the seventh century does not exist anymore and will never exist again.
Anyway, I laugh at "Islam unified the region", like, seriously, there have been wars a very very long conflict between chiisme and sunnisme and the Occident has nothing to do with it. Moreover, if you have just a basic comprehension of history (which almost no one seems to have in this forum so I forgive you), you will know that a lot of Syrian basically considered the occupation of the Ottoman Empire as a turkish colonisation, it is not this their former glory, their former glory is the omeyyade califat, not an occupant. Saying that Ottoman Empire is considered as a glory of the arabic world demonstrates a total ignorance of Middle East. Go educate yourself before spreading your splendid analyses.
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As funny as it is, please: in this context, one blows oneself up, one does not blow oneself.
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On October 10 2016 04:08 TheFish7 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 19:08 Wrath wrote:On October 09 2016 18:08 RvB wrote:On October 09 2016 16:11 SK.Testie wrote:On October 08 2016 19:55 Wrath wrote:rather than people who are destitute or desperate or uneducated. Where did you get the idea that they are not desperate? Generally people who are well off, accepted in society, and are doing very well for themselves aren't exactly desperate. Desperate doesn't usually mean a university educated male who has a degree in engineering and decided to go blow up some infidels. The Middle east /north Africa has a huge problem with young educated people who can't get a job due to corruption, cronyism etc. Being university educated does not automatically mean you're well off, accepted into society and doing very well for yourself. This. Also, the reason why they "blow" themselves is not because religion says so. Islam existed for over 1400 years. Yet, this whole AL-QAEDA / ISIS media whoring started about 10-20 years only. Basically this is how things look to the middle east: Islam came and unified the region and became as one until the fall of Ottoman empire. France and Britain (The west in general) came and divided it by literally straight lines. and creating some minority conflicts. When those days ended and they left the area. To the people, the rulers came to power were "pawns" to the west and controlled by them. So it is like an occupation behind the shadow. After the 11th of September followed by the Iraq war, muslims and majorly Arabs started to feel more and more pushed to the edge. The future keeps looking shitter and shitter with each passing day. The more they look at the past how they were a major power (during Ottoman times and before). The more they grow hatred to the west in general. Some just couldn't handle it and they wanted to do as much harm as they can do even if it costs them their lives. Which leads to "blowing" themselves. You are arguing against the results of a study by giving only anecdotal evidence. No one is saying that young middle eastern men feed good about their future. But we do know that socioeconomic factors cannot explain the descent into violence for these men in particular. Something else is driving it. Hatred towards the west? sure, maybe. But you're really going to claim that religion is not a factor? Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 18:08 RvB wrote:On October 09 2016 16:11 SK.Testie wrote:On October 08 2016 19:55 Wrath wrote:rather than people who are destitute or desperate or uneducated. Where did you get the idea that they are not desperate? Generally people who are well off, accepted in society, and are doing very well for themselves aren't exactly desperate. Desperate doesn't usually mean a university educated male who has a degree in engineering and decided to go blow up some infidels. The Middle east /north Africa has a huge problem with young educated people who can't get a job due to corruption, cronyism etc. Being university educated does not automatically mean you're well off, accepted into society and doing very well for yourself. Show nested quote +
The data shows clearly, the report said, that "poverty is not a driver of radicalization into violent extremism."
Looking at measures of economic inclusion however, panel 2.8.4 shows a strong association between a country’s male unemployment rate and the propensity of that country to supply Daesh foreign recruits. This result echoes the findings of Bhatia and Ghanem (2016) who show, using opinion polls for a sample of eight Arab countries, that unemployment among the educated leads to a greater probability to hold radical ideas. Similarly, Kiendrebeogo and Ianchovichina (2016) draw on information on attitudes toward extreme violence from 27 developing countries around the world and find an association between radical views and unemployment or economic hardship.
documents.worldbank.org
So yes economic factors are of major importance.
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@TheFish7 You are missing the point. Religion here is not the cause. It is a mean.
@stilt Same. Religion is a mean not the cause. Regarding your "educate yourself about the history". I'm full aware of the Omayye vs Abbasy conflict that happened. The Shiie vs Sunni conflict which you may even think the whole reason for it is that Ali vs Mu'auyia for the califit which in itself is wrong.
Nationalism did not exist in the region to as "Arabians vs Ottoman"... etc until the last years of the Ottoman empire. If you wanna talk about each current country when the califit was its capital that is another story. All I wanted to describe is the current mentality of the average Muslim thoughts (mostly Arabian Muslims)
Also I understand the whole Arabian revolution against Ottoman empire and how they worked with Britain to create their "Arabian country" which resulted in Britain taking a huge shit upon by dividing the region like a cake with France leading to the current Arabian countries.
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https://theintercept.com/2016/09/28/u-s-sanctions-are-punishing-ordinary-syrians-and-crippling-aid-work-u-n-report-reveals/ (with the required doc. https://theintercept.com/document/2016/09/28/humanitarian-impact-of-syria-related-unilateral-restrictive-measures/ )A 40-page internal assessment commissioned by the U.N. Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia to analyze the humanitarian impact of the sanctions describes the U.S. and EU measures as “some of the most complicated and far-reaching sanctions regimes ever imposed.” Detailing a complex system of “unpredictable and time-consuming” financial restrictions and licensing requirements, the report finds that U.S. sanctions are exceptionally harsh “regarding provision of humanitarian aid.”
U.S. sanctions on Syrian banks have made the transfer of funds into the country nearly impossible. Even when a transaction is legal, banks are reluctant to process funds related to Syria for risk of incurring violation fees. This has given rise to an unofficial and unregulated network of money exchanges that lacks transparency, making it easier for extremist groups like ISIS and al Qaeda to divert funds undetected. The difficulty of transferring money is also preventing aid groups from paying local staff and suppliers, which has “delayed or prevented the delivery of development assistance in both government and besieged areas,” according to the report.
Trade restrictions on Syria are even more convoluted. Items that contain 10 percent or more of U.S. content, including medical devices, are banned from export to Syria. Aid groups wishing to bypass this rule have to apply for a special license, but the licensing bureaucracy is a nightmare to navigate, often requiring expensive lawyers that cost far more than the items being exported.
Syria was first subjected to sanctions in 1979, after the U.S. designated the Syrian government as a state sponsor of terrorism. More sanctions were added in subsequent years, though none more extreme than the restrictions imposed in 2011 in response to the Syrian government’s deadly crackdown on protesters.
In 2013 the sanctions were eased but only in opposition areas. Around the same time, the CIA began directly shipping weapons to armed insurgents at a colossal cost of nearly $1 billion a year, effectively adding fuel to the conflict while U.S. sanctions obstructed emergency assistance to civilians caught in the crossfire. ... and it goes on and on.
it also has a reply/comment of sorts in the form of: In an emailed statement to The Intercept, the State Department denied that the sanctions are hurting civilians.
“U.S. sanctions against [Syrian President Bashar al-Assad], his backers, and the regime deprive these actors of resources that could be used to further the bloody campaign Assad continues to wage against his own people,” said the statement, which recycled talking points that justified sanctions against Iraq in 1990s. The U.S. continued to rationalize the Iraq sanctions even after a report was released by UNICEF in 1999 that showed a doubling in mortality rates for children under the age of 5 after sanctions were imposed in the wake of the Gulf War, and the death of 500,000 children.
“The true responsibility for the dire humanitarian situation lies squarely with Assad, who has repeatedly denied access and attacked aid workers,” the U.S. statement on Syria continued. “He has the ability to relieve this suffering at any time, should he meet his commitment to provide full, sustained access for delivery of humanitarian assistance in areas that the U.N. has determined need it.” it is worth a read.
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http://www.itv.com/news/2016-10-15/john-kerry-hails-progress-from-us-russia-talks-on-syria/ US Secretary of State John Kerry has said US-Russia talks on the conflict in Syria could lead to a new ceasefire.
Speaking after a meeting in Lausanne with interested parties, Mr Kerry said the gathering had "a good consensus on a number of possibilities" that might lead to peace.
However, Kerry admitted to reporters that there were some difficult, tense moments in the talks.
He added that the next contact between sides will be on Monday to discuss future steps.
Earlier, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the meeting had brought up "interesting ideas".
He added all of the parties were "in favour of launching a political process in Syria as soon as possible".
The meeting was another attempt to try to find a diplomatic solution to the Syria conflict, which has lasted over five years, following the collapse of the latest ceasefire in September.
Apart from Mr Kerry and Mr Lavrov, also present at the talks were the foreign ministers of Jordan, Turkey, Egypt, Qatar, Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
interesting to note is that there were no EU representatives, as if they got the boot.
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On October 16 2016 05:24 xM(Z wrote:http://www.itv.com/news/2016-10-15/john-kerry-hails-progress-from-us-russia-talks-on-syria/ Show nested quote +US Secretary of State John Kerry has said US-Russia talks on the conflict in Syria could lead to a new ceasefire.
Speaking after a meeting in Lausanne with interested parties, Mr Kerry said the gathering had "a good consensus on a number of possibilities" that might lead to peace.
However, Kerry admitted to reporters that there were some difficult, tense moments in the talks.
He added that the next contact between sides will be on Monday to discuss future steps.
Earlier, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the meeting had brought up "interesting ideas".
He added all of the parties were "in favour of launching a political process in Syria as soon as possible".
The meeting was another attempt to try to find a diplomatic solution to the Syria conflict, which has lasted over five years, following the collapse of the latest ceasefire in September.
Apart from Mr Kerry and Mr Lavrov, also present at the talks were the foreign ministers of Jordan, Turkey, Egypt, Qatar, Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
interesting to note is that there were no EU representatives, as if they got the boot.
Why would there be EU representatives when they are not involved in the conflict?
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On October 16 2016 05:37 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2016 05:24 xM(Z wrote:http://www.itv.com/news/2016-10-15/john-kerry-hails-progress-from-us-russia-talks-on-syria/ US Secretary of State John Kerry has said US-Russia talks on the conflict in Syria could lead to a new ceasefire.
Speaking after a meeting in Lausanne with interested parties, Mr Kerry said the gathering had "a good consensus on a number of possibilities" that might lead to peace.
However, Kerry admitted to reporters that there were some difficult, tense moments in the talks.
He added that the next contact between sides will be on Monday to discuss future steps.
Earlier, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the meeting had brought up "interesting ideas".
He added all of the parties were "in favour of launching a political process in Syria as soon as possible".
The meeting was another attempt to try to find a diplomatic solution to the Syria conflict, which has lasted over five years, following the collapse of the latest ceasefire in September.
Apart from Mr Kerry and Mr Lavrov, also present at the talks were the foreign ministers of Jordan, Turkey, Egypt, Qatar, Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.
interesting to note is that there were no EU representatives, as if they got the boot. Why would there be EU representatives when they are not involved in the conflict?
According to wikipedia Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Netherlands and UK are involved.
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