EPTOn March 22 2013 11:05 GettingIt wrote:
So who are the good guys?
So who are the good guys?
Morally no one. For NATO interests the terrorists are the good guys, while for russian interests Syrian government are the good guys.
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
Morally no one. For NATO interests the terrorists are the good guys, while for russian interests Syrian government are the good guys. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
On March 22 2013 20:52 Pika Chu wrote: Cool, let's just ignore Russia then, make them feel worthless, let's tell them nothing of what they say matters to us. Yep, i how that would end well and bring peace and prosperity everywhere in the future. And not just Russia but let's do the same with every other state that's not part of NATO or its acolytes. We are stronger right now, so let's show it! Who's going to stop us? Actualy only thing Russia understands is strenght. If You come to talk, You are weak. If You show Your strenght they will respect You. If You have means to enforce something and You do not use them Russians wont see it as generous, they will see it as foolish. Things dont work there like they do in western part of Europe. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Whatever happened last week in the town of Khan al-Assal, west of Aleppo, it achieved something extraordinary in the Syrian civil war: unity among Washington, Moscow and Damascus. All welcomed the rapid decision by Ban Ki-moon, the United Nations secretary-general, to investigate an alleged chemical attack that reportedly killed 26, including Syrian soldiers. Unusually, the request for that investigation came from the Syrian regime, which claimed that Islamic jihadist rebels launched a chemical weapons attack. Since then, precious little evidence in any way has come from the area despite an awful lot of diplomatic noise around the world. However a senior source close to the Syrian Army has given Channel 4 News the first clear account of what he claims is believed to have occurred on Tuesday. He is a trusted and hitherto reliable source who does not wish to be identified. The Syrian military is said to believe that a home-made locally-manufactured rocket was fired, containing a form of chlorine known as CL17, easily available as a swimming pool cleaner. They claim that the warhead contained a quantity of the gas, dissolved in saline solution. Source | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
Syrian forces fire chemical weapons at rebels, opposition says - @Reuters http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/syria | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
(Reuters) - Syrian opposition leader Moaz Alkhatib said on Tuesday he had asked Washington to help protect northern areas, where rebels are in the ascendant, using Patriot surface-to-air missiles. Speaking at an Arab summit in Qatar, Alkhatib added in a speech that the United States needed to play a bigger role in helping end the two-year-old conflict in his homeland. He said the Syrian government of President Bashar al-Assad had to bear responsibility for what he called its refusal to solve the crisis. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/26/us-syria-crisis-summit-alkhatib-idUSBRE92P0BH20130326 | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On March 22 2013 20:55 Pika Chu wrote: Morally no one. For NATO interests the terrorists are the good guys, while for russian interests Syrian government are the good guys. Eh, the Kurds are not half bad though. The more Kurdish resistance against Middle Easter/Asian Minor apartheid, the better. | ||
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TNK
United States163 Posts
On March 27 2013 00:12 Shiragaku wrote: Eh, the Kurds are not half bad though. The more Kurdish resistance against Middle Easter/Asian Minor apartheid, the better. Are the Kurds more secular and western friendly then Arabs are though? | ||
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Yuljan
2196 Posts
On March 27 2013 03:48 TNK wrote: Are the Kurds more secular and western friendly then Arabs are though? From personal experience with kurds in Germany I would say its doubtful. Most of the honor killings in Germany are done by kurdish families. | ||
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Isualin
Germany1903 Posts
On March 27 2013 00:12 Shiragaku wrote: Eh, the Kurds are not half bad though. The more Kurdish resistance against Middle Easter/Asian Minor apartheid, the better. can you explain why? | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On March 27 2013 00:12 Shiragaku wrote: Eh, the Kurds are not half bad though. The more Kurdish resistance against Middle Easter/Asian Minor apartheid, the better. Because death and destabilization make things better. Pro logic. On March 27 2013 03:48 TNK wrote: Are the Kurds more secular and western friendly then Arabs are though? No. Even now, when Iraq went from one of the most secular countries in the Mideast (maybe after Lebanon) to an Islamified dystopian shithole, Kurds are still not necessarily more secular. Turkey is not an Arab country, but the Kurds there are not more secular than the Turks. They are not more "western friendly" on a political basis, unless it serves their own interests. I don't see why you are looking for submission though. Countries should be independent, although imperial powers like the US don't like that a la Iraq. However, the Gulf Arab countries are extremely submissive. They love American dick. Egypt under Mubarak's reign was pretty much the 51st state. On March 27 2013 03:55 Yuljan wrote: From personal experience with kurds in Germany I would say its doubtful. Most of the honor killings in Germany are done by kurdish families. This is true. Honor killings are an issue in Turkey and Iraq, and it turns out pretty much all of it is from Kurds. Extrapolation to saying it's an Arab or Muslim thing is a good way to bash Arabs/Iraqis/Muslims and I've seen it on multiple occasions, like there isn't enough bigotry already. Sucks for the Christians from the Mideast (Copts, Maronites, Assyrians, Chaldeans, etc.), who are neither Arab nor Muslim, and yet have to suffer the same prejudice, intended for Muslims, by many people in the US and elsewhere. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On March 27 2013 03:48 TNK wrote: Are the Kurds more secular and western friendly then Arabs are though? Always hard to say. The PKK and PJAK, they are very secular, but they are incredibly left-wing. The mainstream ideology of theirs is basically Middle Eastern Maoism, feminism, anti-imperialism, and nihilism. Most of the books they read are from their leader, treated almost in a cult-like manner and lots of European existentialists. Then you got the Kurdish Democratic Parties who have historically aligned themselves with the state in power such as Iraq, Iran, and Turkey. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
France will uphold the EU embargo on weapon deliveries for Syrian rebels after all, changing course from just two weeks ago, according to comments by President Francois Hollande. France would have to be convinced that the weapons would not fall into the hands of terrorists, Hollande said in an interview with France 2. "At the moment, we do not have this guarantee," Hollande said. France and Britain are both pressing for the relaxation of an arms embargo on Syria so that arms can flow to outgunned rebels waging a two-year-old uprising against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. The embargo expires on June 1 and both countries say it should be allowed to lapse. But Hollande said that before arms were delivered to Syria, guarantees were needed they would not fall into the hands of radical fighters. "We will not do it as long as we cannot be certain that there is complete control of the situation by the opposition," Hollande said. Source | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Syrian rebels have seized an important town on a main highway between Damascus and the south in Daraa province on the border with Jordan, a UK-based watchdog says. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) said on Friday that 10 civilians, including a child, were killed in fighting for Dael, the latest to be seized by the rebels over the past 24 hours. "Rebels seized control of Dael after destroying the three army checkpoints at the entrances to the town," SOHR said. "The town is located on a main road linking Daraa to Damascus." At least 15 rebels and a media activist working with the rebels were also killed, along with 12 loyalist troops, SOHR added. "Large swathes of Daraa [province] are now under rebel control. Their advance in the south is escalating," Rami Abdel Rahman, SOHR's director, told the AFP news agency. "The rebels are inching closer to the provincial capital, and several towns and villages are now out of army hands. Daraa city is cut off almost completely from Damascus." Source | ||
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quebecman77
Canada133 Posts
but for many people this would be hard to realy understand my post even if my native langage was english . other country should never go inside other country unless they are here for help only for food , medicine and education for me that a simple rules , the world should follow . if the country would have fixed this problem inside , this would have stop in some kind of way after some time , just other people rising in power and life would go on . yes people would have die , but that nothing like how many will die or have die because outside country have come inside , if they would have done nothing , people would have die , then this would have stop , now other country have go inside and people are dying and will still die for how many year you think ? but in this case the usa was not happy with the way this would have fixed himself for doing nothing because the group of people who was about to get the power was not the people they wanted , so they have move in , for whatever reason you want , i think that was saving human life . but what make me more sad are the reason other country go in one other country saving we are here for safe life and fix stuft , because that usualy never for save human life , but for other reason , like the control of the fuel , money , power , drugs , or many other reason . in the whole story of this world , nothing good have ever happen , NOT only once , for doing war in any kind of way in one other country . this would be about time , that other country stop try to fix stuft in other country with power and war the result are never good , since forever , why in this case this would have end up good ? who are the fool who was thinking the result will end up good ?? , if you know that in 30000 case this was bad and they were never once that it was good , why people think this was a good move to go this time ?? edit : just added some thinking : for me that realy hard to think the people behind the gouverment of other country did not know about how this usualy end up when something like that happen , they got smart people , they know the story , they know history , they are not stupid , so why they did go inside for after say , well we did not know this would end like that .... and one other point of view : media are the mass power ( mass are the people ) , media control the mass for how they make the mass agree and think the same way ......because people usualy end up thinking in the general way for exemple they are a new about a killer who killed people , should he end up in jail ? usualy people reading this new will think : YES that the general way , because the mass are good , human are good , not every human are good but the whole make us good . in syria they have show in the media people with sign saying : come help us , come plz , save your life , in my eye that clear the mass would think : let help them . anyone would think the same . but who control the media ?? in this case in syria other country got pressured to go because the media was talking about that 24 hour a day , everyday , they have show poor people saying come help us , they have make interview and show talking only about that , before this have happen many smart people did know how this would end up , because the mass are the power in some kind of way when they realy got a view or want something , but who have realy put this idea ?? for exemple , think if in this case media would have talk only some time about this war and not that much after well i would bet you my life no one would have go inside this country , they have go because of the public opinion ... in the same kind of view , why now we got almost no NEW from the media , in my media they talk about it for like 10 sec , some time not even once , no matter how bad stuft have changed or if 1000 people have die . because now the media was used and this would bring nothing good to other country to get new saying the bad stuft going on now , they have nothing else to gain from the media , all to loss , so now , no new . ( and honestly im going to add they are other war and many bad stuft going on at each time of the day, sometime worst in other country and media almost never talk about them ) gouverment control media , so why they go himself after they got pressured to go , and like im saying stop to think people in power are stupid ... they are not . | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
The United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) has warned that it will soon run out of money to cope with the vast needs of internally displaced Syrians as well as refugees in neighbouring countries. UNICEF said on Friday that it would run out of money by June for its operations in Jordan - where it provides water sanitation and hygiene services to about 100,000 refugees living in Zaatari camp. Marixie Mercado, the UNICEF spokeswoman, said: "The needs are rising exponentially, and we are broke." "We have received about 29 percent of the money we need to be able to sustain our operations inside Syria and in neighbouring countries," Ted Chaiban, UNICEF Director of Emergency Operations, told Al Jazeera. In the case of Zaatari camp, if UNICEF programmes cease functioning, the population will no longer have access to clean water or hygiene facilities. "Then you will see skin diseases, diarrhoea and dramatic consequences for children," Chaiban said. The number of Syrian refugees in Jordan is approaching half a million. The UN is predicting that the number of Syrian refugees in Jordan will more than double to 1.2 million by the end of this year. UNICEF also works inside Syria with the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to provide support to urban water systems that allows continued access to water in major cities. In addition, the aid group runs an immunisation campaign for the increasing number of internally-displaced people that provides life-saving measles and polio vaccinations to three milllion children. "If you stop immunisations, you have the kind of measles outbreak we saw in Lebanon recently. And measles plus malnutrition can lead to children dying. These are profound consequences," Chaiban told Al Jazeera. Source | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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phANT1m
South Africa535 Posts
Also just really funny that an RPG is termed as a WMD. Also the al-qaeda association is kinda fuzzy, since yes he did fight with al-nusrah but reports say with 10 000 fighters or so (not sure) and present on almost all fronts I guess you are bound to fight alongside them. I doubt he could just turn around and say America says you are a terrorist and shoot them. He would be dead as fast. Just a random rant. | ||
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furymonkey
New Zealand1587 Posts
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/04/201349194856244589.html | ||
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BritishPizza
United States10 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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