On July 16 2011 01:43 altec1011 wrote: This movie will break records. It will surpass avatar's records. It will be the best superhero movie of all time, and one of the best movies of this decade. I am waiting patiently...
I don't see how mindless popcorn entertainment can even hope to compete with the likes of "There Will Be Blood" or "No Country for Old Men."
mindless popcorn movie? did you see the dark knight? it was everything but mindless
Yes, I did, and not once did I need to think in order to still get what the plot was. Neither did it make me think afterwards. Basically the same thing happened to me with inception. I don't know if it's because of my being more used to reading books and watching series (you can make a lot more happen if you've got 10-20 hours of screen time instead of just 2.5) or because I wasn't quite as hyped for TDK as everyone else was, but I found TDK (and Inception) rather underwhelming, especially since a lot of people thought those movies to be among the best ever made. Hell, I didn't even find Ledger's acting all that impressive.
Christopher Nolan is one hell of a director in terms of action flicks, don't get me wrong. However, please don't compare him with greats as the Coen Brothers or Martin Scorsese. Nolan is not even on the same level in the same way Ledger pales in comparison to a Jack Nicholson or Daniel Day Lewis.
I also don't see how The Dark Knight was gritty and/or dark. For a hollywood movie, I guess so, but not for someone who's seen The Pacific or The Wind That Shakes The Barley. Those movies are gritty and dark, mainly because the stories they tell are rather accurately based on real facts.
LOL first of all, go to wikipedia and search both movies. Then go to gross revenue. No Country for Old Men made close to 200 Million dollars. TDK made over a TRILLION dollars. Movies since their Inception (see what I did there?) are meant to entertain the world and general public. Looking at sales is a rough estimate of this. Clearly TDK wins in this case.
Also TDK and Nolans series is really the only series that brings a good representation of Batman. Do you know how hard it is to please millions of fans when you're trying to sell a character that has been done in comics, movies and shows for decades? Nolan has some serious skills in this regard.
Also It is very "dark" for a super hero movie! Have you even seen the other Batmans? Or the shows?
Lastly I saw No Country for Old Men, now that was "underwhelming". A dude walks around killing people with some pressured hose. It wasn't scary, edgy and had no motivating plot. Just mindless killing... Seriously, and I guessed the ending. The book is probably better, but guess what? The Batman comics are much better too.
I love movies and consider myself a pro general public viewer. I don't read into movies more than I have to. I'm not trying to analyze them to death or get some HUGE life changing meaning from them. I simply want to be entertained for the time that I am there. The Dark Knight and Nolan's Batman is AMAZING in this regard. He takes the Batman that I grew up loving and brings it to life, and for that I give him props.
On July 16 2011 01:43 altec1011 wrote: This movie will break records. It will surpass avatar's records. It will be the best superhero movie of all time, and one of the best movies of this decade. I am waiting patiently...
I don't see how mindless popcorn entertainment can even hope to compete with the likes of "There Will Be Blood" or "No Country for Old Men."
mindless popcorn movie? did you see the dark knight? it was everything but mindless
Yes, I did, and not once did I need to think in order to still get what the plot was. Neither did it make me think afterwards. Basically the same thing happened to me with inception. I don't know if it's because of my being more used to reading books and watching series (you can make a lot more happen if you've got 10-20 hours of screen time instead of just 2.5) or because I wasn't quite as hyped for TDK as everyone else was, but I found TDK (and Inception) rather underwhelming, especially since a lot of people thought those movies to be among the best ever made. Hell, I didn't even find Ledger's acting all that impressive.
Christopher Nolan is one hell of a director in terms of action flicks, don't get me wrong. However, please don't compare him with greats as the Coen Brothers or Martin Scorsese. Nolan is not even on the same level in the same way Ledger pales in comparison to a Jack Nicholson or Daniel Day Lewis.
I also don't see how The Dark Knight was gritty and/or dark. For a hollywood movie, I guess so, but not for someone who's seen The Pacific or The Wind That Shakes The Barley. Those movies are gritty and dark, mainly because the stories they tell are rather accurately based on real facts.
I think people thought TDK was "gritty and/or dark" because in the context of most superhero films, it was. Instead of bright colours and flag/emblem-waving "Rah! Rah!" it was a far more morose look at the superhero. I don't think you can compare The Pacific with TDK in terms of grit and gloom because they both offer a certain dark feel for their respective genres.
I can't say I disagree with a lot of what you say, however. I did like TDK a lot but don't think it's the best movie ever. No, it's not a particularly complex film - but I don't think something needs to be complex to be enjoyable. There are numerous "classic" films that are simple in plot but still absolute gems. Inception, also not complex, and actually has some gaping plot-holes that make no sense in terms of the mechanics of the film; but still enjoyable, I think.
I would disagree that Ledger's performance wasn't noteworthy; he did a good job and the character lends itself well to a wide range of interpretation (i.e. Nicholson) so I don't know if it's really fair to compare the two.
On July 16 2011 01:43 altec1011 wrote: This movie will break records. It will surpass avatar's records. It will be the best superhero movie of all time, and one of the best movies of this decade. I am waiting patiently...
I don't see how mindless popcorn entertainment can even hope to compete with the likes of "There Will Be Blood" or "No Country for Old Men."
mindless popcorn movie? did you see the dark knight? it was everything but mindless
Yes, I did, and not once did I need to think in order to still get what the plot was. Neither did it make me think afterwards. Basically the same thing happened to me with inception. I don't know if it's because of my being more used to reading books and watching series (you can make a lot more happen if you've got 10-20 hours of screen time instead of just 2.5) or because I wasn't quite as hyped for TDK as everyone else was, but I found TDK (and Inception) rather underwhelming, especially since a lot of people thought those movies to be among the best ever made. Hell, I didn't even find Ledger's acting all that impressive.
Christopher Nolan is one hell of a director in terms of action flicks, don't get me wrong. However, please don't compare him with greats as the Coen Brothers or Martin Scorsese. Nolan is not even on the same level in the same way Ledger pales in comparison to a Jack Nicholson or Daniel Day Lewis.
I also don't see how The Dark Knight was gritty and/or dark. For a hollywood movie, I guess so, but not for someone who's seen The Pacific or The Wind That Shakes The Barley. Those movies are gritty and dark, mainly because the stories they tell are rather accurately based on real facts.
LOL first of all, go to wikipedia and search both movies. Then go to gross revenue. No Country for Old Men made close to 200 Million dollars. TDK made over a TRILLION dollars. Movies since their Inception (see what I did there?) are meant to entertain the world and general public. Looking at sales is a rough estimate of this. Clearly TDK wins in this case.
Also TDK and Nolans series is really the only series that brings a good representation of Batman. Do you know how hard it is to please millions of fans when you're trying to sell a character that has been done in comics, movies and shows for decades? Nolan has some serious skills in this regard.
Also It is very "dark" for a super hero movie! Have you even seen the other Batmans? Or the shows?
Lastly I saw No Country for Old Men, now that was "underwhelming". A dude walks around killing people with some pressured hose. It wasn't scary, edgy and had no motivating plot. Just mindless killing... Seriously, and I guessed the ending. The book is probably better, but guess what? The Batman comics are much better too.
I love movies and consider myself a pro general public viewer. I don't read into movies more than I have to. I'm not trying to analyze them to death or get some HUGE life changing meaning from them. I simply want to be entertained for the time that I am there. The Dark Knight and Nolan's Batman is AMAZING in this regard. He takes the Batman that I grew up loving and brings it to life, and for that I give him props.
Dude, NCfOM is a great flick.
I think you two are arguing from completely incompatible viewpoints. He's looking for Art, you're looking for entertainment.
Both are entirely acceptable goals, but pretty much a dead horse in terms of this conversation
On July 16 2011 01:43 altec1011 wrote: This movie will break records. It will surpass avatar's records. It will be the best superhero movie of all time, and one of the best movies of this decade. I am waiting patiently...
I don't see how mindless popcorn entertainment can even hope to compete with the likes of "There Will Be Blood" or "No Country for Old Men."
mindless popcorn movie? did you see the dark knight? it was everything but mindless
Yes, I did, and not once did I need to think in order to still get what the plot was. Neither did it make me think afterwards. Basically the same thing happened to me with inception. I don't know if it's because of my being more used to reading books and watching series (you can make a lot more happen if you've got 10-20 hours of screen time instead of just 2.5) or because I wasn't quite as hyped for TDK as everyone else was, but I found TDK (and Inception) rather underwhelming, especially since a lot of people thought those movies to be among the best ever made. Hell, I didn't even find Ledger's acting all that impressive.
Christopher Nolan is one hell of a director in terms of action flicks, don't get me wrong. However, please don't compare him with greats as the Coen Brothers or Martin Scorsese. Nolan is not even on the same level in the same way Ledger pales in comparison to a Jack Nicholson or Daniel Day Lewis.
I also don't see how The Dark Knight was gritty and/or dark. For a hollywood movie, I guess so, but not for someone who's seen The Pacific or The Wind That Shakes The Barley. Those movies are gritty and dark, mainly because the stories they tell are rather accurately based on real facts.
LOL first of all, go to wikipedia and search both movies. Then go to gross revenue. No Country for Old Men made close to 200 Million dollars. TDK made over a TRILLION dollars. Movies since their Inception (see what I did there?) are meant to entertain the world and general public. Looking at sales is a rough estimate of this. Clearly TDK wins in this case.
Also TDK and Nolans series is really the only series that brings a good representation of Batman. Do you know how hard it is to please millions of fans when you're trying to sell a character that has been done in comics, movies and shows for decades? Nolan has some serious skills in this regard.
Also It is very "dark" for a super hero movie! Have you even seen the other Batmans? Or the shows?
Lastly I saw No Country for Old Men, now that was "underwhelming". A dude walks around killing people with some pressured hose. It wasn't scary, edgy and had no motivating plot. Just mindless killing... Seriously, and I guessed the ending. The book is probably better, but guess what? The Batman comics are much better too.
I love movies and consider myself a pro general public viewer. I don't read into movies more than I have to. I'm not trying to analyze them to death or get some HUGE life changing meaning from them. I simply want to be entertained for the time that I am there. The Dark Knight and Nolan's Batman is AMAZING in this regard. He takes the Batman that I grew up loving and brings it to life, and for that I give him props.
Dude, NCfOM is a great flick.
I think you two are arguing from completely incompatible viewpoints. He's looking for Art, you're looking for entertainment.
Both are entirely acceptable goals, but pretty much a dead horse in terms of this conversation
Valid point. But could you explain how that movie was artistic? I just don't get it... :/
On July 16 2011 01:43 altec1011 wrote: This movie will break records. It will surpass avatar's records. It will be the best superhero movie of all time, and one of the best movies of this decade. I am waiting patiently...
I don't see how mindless popcorn entertainment can even hope to compete with the likes of "There Will Be Blood" or "No Country for Old Men."
mindless popcorn movie? did you see the dark knight? it was everything but mindless
Yes, I did, and not once did I need to think in order to still get what the plot was. Neither did it make me think afterwards. Basically the same thing happened to me with inception. I don't know if it's because of my being more used to reading books and watching series (you can make a lot more happen if you've got 10-20 hours of screen time instead of just 2.5) or because I wasn't quite as hyped for TDK as everyone else was, but I found TDK (and Inception) rather underwhelming, especially since a lot of people thought those movies to be among the best ever made. Hell, I didn't even find Ledger's acting all that impressive.
Christopher Nolan is one hell of a director in terms of action flicks, don't get me wrong. However, please don't compare him with greats as the Coen Brothers or Martin Scorsese. Nolan is not even on the same level in the same way Ledger pales in comparison to a Jack Nicholson or Daniel Day Lewis.
I also don't see how The Dark Knight was gritty and/or dark. For a hollywood movie, I guess so, but not for someone who's seen The Pacific or The Wind That Shakes The Barley. Those movies are gritty and dark, mainly because the stories they tell are rather accurately based on real facts.
LOL first of all, go to wikipedia and search both movies. Then go to gross revenue. No Country for Old Men made close to 200 Million dollars. TDK made over a TRILLION dollars. Movies since their Inception (see what I did there?) are meant to entertain the world and general public. Looking at sales is a rough estimate of this. Clearly TDK wins in this case.
Also TDK and Nolans series is really the only series that brings a good representation of Batman. Do you know how hard it is to please millions of fans when you're trying to sell a character that has been done in comics, movies and shows for decades? Nolan has some serious skills in this regard.
Also It is very "dark" for a super hero movie! Have you even seen the other Batmans? Or the shows?
Lastly I saw No Country for Old Men, now that was "underwhelming". A dude walks around killing people with some pressured hose. It wasn't scary, edgy and had no motivating plot. Just mindless killing... Seriously, and I guessed the ending. The book is probably better, but guess what? The Batman comics are much better too.
I love movies and consider myself a pro general public viewer. I don't read into movies more than I have to. I'm not trying to analyze them to death or get some HUGE life changing meaning from them. I simply want to be entertained for the time that I am there. The Dark Knight and Nolan's Batman is AMAZING in this regard. He takes the Batman that I grew up loving and brings it to life, and for that I give him props.
By your logic, James Cameron is the greatest director of all time, having the top 2 grossing films grossing a combined 4.2 BILLION (Not TRILLION, learn your number scales bro).
I do agree with most everything else you said though. Minus the no country stuff, that was a great movie.
On July 16 2011 01:43 altec1011 wrote: This movie will break records. It will surpass avatar's records. It will be the best superhero movie of all time, and one of the best movies of this decade. I am waiting patiently...
I don't see how mindless popcorn entertainment can even hope to compete with the likes of "There Will Be Blood" or "No Country for Old Men."
mindless popcorn movie? did you see the dark knight? it was everything but mindless
Yes, I did, and not once did I need to think in order to still get what the plot was. Neither did it make me think afterwards. Basically the same thing happened to me with inception. I don't know if it's because of my being more used to reading books and watching series (you can make a lot more happen if you've got 10-20 hours of screen time instead of just 2.5) or because I wasn't quite as hyped for TDK as everyone else was, but I found TDK (and Inception) rather underwhelming, especially since a lot of people thought those movies to be among the best ever made. Hell, I didn't even find Ledger's acting all that impressive.
Christopher Nolan is one hell of a director in terms of action flicks, don't get me wrong. However, please don't compare him with greats as the Coen Brothers or Martin Scorsese. Nolan is not even on the same level in the same way Ledger pales in comparison to a Jack Nicholson or Daniel Day Lewis.
I also don't see how The Dark Knight was gritty and/or dark. For a hollywood movie, I guess so, but not for someone who's seen The Pacific or The Wind That Shakes The Barley. Those movies are gritty and dark, mainly because the stories they tell are rather accurately based on real facts.
LOL first of all, go to wikipedia and search both movies. Then go to gross revenue. No Country for Old Men made close to 200 Million dollars. TDK made over a TRILLION dollars. Movies since their Inception (see what I did there?) are meant to entertain the world and general public. Looking at sales is a rough estimate of this. Clearly TDK wins in this case.
Also TDK and Nolans series is really the only series that brings a good representation of Batman. Do you know how hard it is to please millions of fans when you're trying to sell a character that has been done in comics, movies and shows for decades? Nolan has some serious skills in this regard.
Also It is very "dark" for a super hero movie! Have you even seen the other Batmans? Or the shows?
Lastly I saw No Country for Old Men, now that was "underwhelming". A dude walks around killing people with some pressured hose. It wasn't scary, edgy and had no motivating plot. Just mindless killing... Seriously, and I guessed the ending. The book is probably better, but guess what? The Batman comics are much better too.
I love movies and consider myself a pro general public viewer. I don't read into movies more than I have to. I'm not trying to analyze them to death or get some HUGE life changing meaning from them. I simply want to be entertained for the time that I am there. The Dark Knight and Nolan's Batman is AMAZING in this regard. He takes the Batman that I grew up loving and brings it to life, and for that I give him props.
The movie and the book of No Country for Old Men are very much alike. From your description, you just didn't get the movie. You don't try to analyze movies, which is good for the usual hollywood blockbusters, but NCFOM is one that one should analyze. It's not made for the general public nor for getting a quick movie fix. THAT was a movie you actually should think about.
Movie quality is not decided by the amount of revue it makes at the box office. In fact a lot of critics where downright disappointed when they read that There Will Be Blood and No Country For Old Men were selling so horribly.
The fact that I never grew up with those superhero characters and don't care about American comics might also have something to do with it.
The idea that Cameron, according to you, should be considered the best director ever just because Ferngully 2.0 er... I mean Avatar sold so well is ridiculous. Contemporary video games look better than the CGI he uses. I'm not even kidding about that.
this link provides a little overview for people who just watched the dark knight but its still pretty shallow and you should watch the movie again and try to understand what it says about humans their feeling their nature their interactions etc etc
On July 16 2011 01:43 altec1011 wrote: This movie will break records. It will surpass avatar's records. It will be the best superhero movie of all time, and one of the best movies of this decade. I am waiting patiently...
I don't see how mindless popcorn entertainment can even hope to compete with the likes of "There Will Be Blood" or "No Country for Old Men."
By not being mindless? There's more to being a good movie than simply having deep, philosophical themes. And no, having to 'think about the plot' doesn't make it good or 'deep' either. That's actually shitty storytelling and narrative. You should have to think about themes and interpretations (that are deliberately left up to the viewer.)
Not saying the two movies you mentioned didn't have those, but so did TDK actually. Just because you wrote it off as mindless and didn't bother to explore its themes doesn't make it any less true. Stop acting like a pretentious hipster. You probably can't even explain to me what the themes of No Country for Old Men are or the meaning of its brilliant ending.
On July 16 2011 01:43 altec1011 wrote: This movie will break records. It will surpass avatar's records. It will be the best superhero movie of all time, and one of the best movies of this decade. I am waiting patiently...
I don't see how mindless popcorn entertainment can even hope to compete with the likes of "There Will Be Blood" or "No Country for Old Men."
Somehow, I can imagine you swishing around some wine in a glass while making this statement with your eyes closed, and then giving a ripe ol' fart and reveling in its smell. I hate how this "What i like is smarter than what you like, and that makes me smarter" attitude that shows up so often in the general forum
TDK was a great film, tad over hyped, but certainly better than the majority of films that come out of hollywood.
It was dark for a comic book movie, but not for movies in general. You could say some of the themes were dark but it was PG-13 in the end (I doubt Warner Brothers and DC comics will ever allow an R-rated Batman movie).
I highly doubt TDKR will make more money or be a bigger success than TDK. TDK just had so much going for it. But I'm positive it will be the best final installment of any superhero trilogy thus far.
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