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On March 15 2011 14:46 Babyfactory wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 14:39 Zeke50100 wrote:On March 15 2011 14:32 PhiliBiRD wrote:On March 15 2011 14:11 Zeke50100 wrote:On March 15 2011 14:06 Lochat wrote:
Personally, while never bullied, I'm curious as to why those are defending the bully.
You claim that a kid may break his neck and leave him paralyzed for life, I have to ask you:
Do you think mental abuse inflicted towards a child for years upon years isn't going to damage him for the rest of his life? The slam breaking his neck is going to be as life-changing as many kids who endured emotional abuse to the point it destroyed them, as stuff like school shootings would attest to.
Not to mention the idea of trying to blame the victim for his reasonable self defense is absurd to begin with. Violence doesn't justify violence, contrary to popular belief. It may be what he "deserved", but that doesn't make it right. The victim isn't being blamed for starting a fight. He's being blamed for using violence. It's purely an objective viewpoint on violence itself that the school has to take a stance on. Did you not notice how Casey's sentence was 5 times shorter than the other kid's? violence doesnt justify violence? how the hell not? we're all entitled to our own well being, and when someone violates that you have every right to do what you have to do change that, by ANY means necessary. self defense is something that should never ever been argued over. If somebody killed your best friend, should you kill their best friend? It's for vengeance, right? It's all right? That's ridiculous. You're playing a game of "he started it!" at that point. Two wrongs don't make a right in this case. I understand that sometimes, it's just impossible to enforce a peaceful resolution to everything. However, letting "some" violence slip by (unpunished), saying "some" violence is okay, creates a grey area that's a pain to deal with. For example, raping is wrong, and we should reinforce that. Doesn't matter if they raped you first. What great strawman arguments you made! You're an idiot. He's saying for self-defense, not retribution, vengeance or justice. He's talking about the right to being secure in your person. You've probably heard the expression, "Your rights end where my nose begins". If someone assaults you, if you feel threatened and the only way to protect yourself is to disable the attacker, then violence is the answer. A peaceful resolution should always trump a violent one, but saying that a violence isn't a justifiable response to violence is ignorance. edit: I'm glad Casey stood up for himself. He did use excessive force, but he knew when to back off. The kid wasn't going to do anything after that blow, and Casey knew it. Casey just stood his ground because he was being ganged up on, he was probably afraid to turn around since the scum bags would attack him from behind. I highly doubt that these kids will antagonize Casey again; however, I do fear that the moron he demolished might retaliate with something more lethal to redeem his reputation. edit 2: Just a side note on the use of "excessive force", it was justified. You don't restrain someone who brought friends to a fight. I've learned that one the hard way. The body slam sent a clear message and disabled the attacker. In situations like this you aren't looking to "fight with honor", "restrain", or "run away", because you doing so only serves to risk the chance of being ganged up on or being attacked from behind.
Calm down boys, All Zedek50100 is saying is that it is the SCHOOL's policy (and mind you, policy of ALL Australian schools) that Violence is empirically wrong. Whether this is a left-over of Biblical ethics, or for whatever reason - it is the SCHOOL's policy that violence is wrong.
Casey is being punished for using violence when he could have told the teacher straight up from the first time he was ever harassed. However, Casey may be stuck in a school where teachers are just plain bad and have no idea how to respond to bullying. In that case Casey might as well violate school rules, which is where Babyfactory, your point comes in. Casey needs to be secure in his learning environment. Bullying scars people for life no kidding.
Essentially, the whole argument boils down to the harsh truth that the Education system needs to be implemented PROPERLY, where bullies get let's say 3 warnings before they are suspended, and if they ever harass the kid again they will be expelled. A report should also be filed to the police, just in case the bully wants to get-the-bullied-kid-back for dobbing on him. So a good education system will
1. teach students the lifetime psychosocial effects bullying has on victims
2. have a robust system to totally punish a bully, including police monitoring and juvenile detention should he try to 'hunt down' a past victim for revenge etc
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On March 15 2011 14:49 jalstar wrote:You never do that to someone weaker than you, he should have just grabbed his arms. 
Are you fucking kidding me? The kid walked up to him and PUNCHED HIS FUCKING FACE....
He aimed for jawline, a knockout. Imagine if rat boy actually did connect, 1/100000 chance, with the sweet spot and Beast Master Casey goes down....you think both the kids don't start stomping?
Beast Master Casey laid down the law, and walked away. True G for life.
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As someone who was bullied in primary school and the early years of high school, I have absolutely no sympathy for the scrawny kid. Well done to Casey for standing up for himself, and I hope he hears of the overwhelming support he's receiving from people all over the world. It'd definitely cure some of the psychological damage he's suffered throughout his life.
That said though, I do think the 4/21 day suspensions are fair. Even if it was 7/21 or something I'd still agree with it - as long as the scrawny kid is punished more severely than Casey.
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i grew up in tennessee; where the body slam is a completely appropriate response to someone taking a swing at you in school
glad noone bullied me 
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These are my views on the facts given to us. Although it's quite biased to my own opinion.
+ Show Spoiler +I believe in self-defense. Are we to accept things as they are? Do you want to be bullied every day of your life to the point where you might commit suicide? No one can understand a position from the eyes of the bullied lest one suffers from it themselves. A third person's objective only sees the view shown to them. They can't see the situation from the inside unless they are actually a part of it. This gives reason to why people are saying "this is wrong" or "this is right."
Was Casey's action too harsh? Should he have punched the kid? Should he walk away? Should he have asked for help? Should he accept the treatment he was receiving?
I personally don't believe it was too harsh. The way the kid landed was in a way where his life would not be threatened. Sure if angled wrong, things may turn for the worse.
Had Casey punched or fought back, it would have turned into a long/short fight with both sides probably nailing at each other. It may even be worse on Casey's end, because there was more than one bully at the scene; the bullies could easily have ganged up on him. Not only that, but even if he fought back, what makes you think the bullying will end. Casey's action was quick and decisive as it seemed to end with what we saw. This action had a big affect with the people witnessing the action, including the bully. Not only that, this fight is available on video streaming sites and many people are now aware of the situation. People are now more aware of bullying; this leads to people to think twice before creating or watching a situation such as this.
Had Casey walked away, it would not change anything. The bullies will be back. The picking will go on. In fact, the bully knew he was videotaped and was watched by others (he danced around like he knew how to fight which was himself trying to impress the girls/guys/friends around), he most likely wouldn't let him walk away (Casey was pinned to a wall after all).
We don't know whether or not Casey sought help from teachers/relatives. We are only looking at the facts we do know, the information given to us. What if he already sought help? The fact that he is still alive (not coming to a conclusion of suicide) means that he knows there are people there for him; he probably has family and friends that care for him. If he spoke with a teacher, the teacher is limited to the options that can help Casey. They can't result to violence. They are left with simply trying to discipline the bully. The bully being disciplined will be annoyed at Casey telling on him. This leads to the bully acting even more aggressive to show dominance. The teacher could talk to the bully's parents, but if the child has become what he has become. What actions could the parents do to change them if they were the ones who raised the child to what he is today, even if unintentionally letting them become a bad person?
Had Casey accepted his "punishment," it would not change anything but the fact that the bullies still have their easy target. Bullying will continue and nothing will end.
The school's action on the suspension on Casey is fine. It is to uphold whatever they claim and it gives Casey time to reflect over what just happened. The suspension on the bully should be taken to more extreme measures. It is my opinion that bullying is a huge problem. Schools claim they are dealing with the problem, but the fact is, they aren't doing enough about it. Bullying should be taken more seriously. Simply saying, "Oh, hey bullied that kid. Now we got a situation. Let's just give him a suspension for x amount of days and maybe he learns his lesson," is not going to work.
Even if a school tries their best to decrease the amount of bullying, it is extremely hard for them to do so. They are the adults. They do not walk in the same atmosphere as students do. Students act differently, such as hide their intentions or actions, when the awareness of an adult is near. This is one reason why schools can't do too much about bullying on their own.
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Eagerly awaiting the debut of Casey 'Beastmaster' McLargeHuge into the UFC!
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i'm really surprised by the number of people who say that the little kid 100% deserved it. the fat guy picked up the guy and smashed his head into the ground. don't get me wrong, i think bullying is awful and schools tend to turn a blind eye, but fuck i cringed watching that. obviously i don't really see casey as being wrong here either, he was in the heat of the moment and he's not likely to be able to control his emotions too well when there's someone punching you in your face (albeit pretty weakly). just saying i think people are being too hard on the bully
is teamliquid full of people who were bullied when they were younger and are now actively seeking bloodthirsty revenge or something? how can picking up someone 1/3 your size and smashing their head into the ground be completely justified? bet you people think murderers should be put to death by the same way they kill their victims. very immature eye for an eye mentality.
however i never had any problems with bullies throughout my entire schooling because i grew up in a very good area fortunately, but i know plenty of people who have.
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On March 15 2011 15:45 radialis wrote:
i'm really surprised by the number of people who say that the little kid 100% deserved it. the fat guy picked up the guy and smashed his head into the ground. don't get me wrong, i think bullying is awful and schools tend to turn a blind eye, but fuck i cringed watching that. obviously i don't really see casey as being wrong here either, he was in the heat of the moment and he's not likely to be able to control his emotions too well when there's someone punching you in your face (albeit pretty weakly). just saying i think people are being too hard on the bully
is teamliquid full of people who were bullied when they were younger and are now seeking revenge or something? how can picking up someone 1/3 your size and smashing their head into the ground be completely justified? bet you people think murderers should be put to death by the same way they kill their victims. very immature eye for an eye mentality.
however i never had any problems with bullies throughout my entire schooling because i grew up in a very good area fortunately, but i know plenty of people who have.
It's not eye for eye, but self defense. If Casey had done the SAME thing to that kid, but without any reasons (such as being bullied), I would say that he completely over reacted.
The fact is that kid poked the bear, so he got what he deserved. Would I have done the same in the situation? Maybe. I don't think I would've picked him up, but I would've definitely done something to make sure he fucking knew that the next time he thought about picking on me, he would remember what I did last time.
If you poke a bear, don't be surprised when you get your god damn face ripped off.
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For those of you who think that Casey went too far because he could have killed the guy, consider the many other cases of bullying that resulted in the victim committing suicide. Even if Casey accidentally killed the guy(highly unlikely in any case) such prolonged bullying could very well have resulted in Casey dying instead. In my opinion, both parties were committing equally dangerous actions, except Casey was doing it in self-defence.
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On March 15 2011 15:49 Derme wrote:
For those of you who think that Casey went too far because he could have killed the guy, consider the many other cases of bullying that resulted in the victim committing suicide. Even if Casey accidentally killed the guy(highly unlikely in any case) such prolonged bullying could very well have resulted in Casey dying instead. In my opinion, both parties were committing equally dangerous actions, except Casey was doing it in self-defence.
and consider the many cases of school massacres
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On March 15 2011 15:51 radialis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 15:49 Derme wrote:
For those of you who think that Casey went too far because he could have killed the guy, consider the many other cases of bullying that resulted in the victim committing suicide. Even if Casey accidentally killed the guy(highly unlikely in any case) such prolonged bullying could very well have resulted in Casey dying instead. In my opinion, both parties were committing equally dangerous actions, except Casey was doing it in self-defence. and consider the many cases of school massacres
The suicides far outnumber the massacres, I believe.
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On March 15 2011 16:01 Joementum wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 15:51 radialis wrote:On March 15 2011 15:49 Derme wrote:
For those of you who think that Casey went too far because he could have killed the guy, consider the many other cases of bullying that resulted in the victim committing suicide. Even if Casey accidentally killed the guy(highly unlikely in any case) such prolonged bullying could very well have resulted in Casey dying instead. In my opinion, both parties were committing equally dangerous actions, except Casey was doing it in self-defence. and consider the many cases of school massacres The suicides far outnumber the massacres, I believe.
yeah that's true, but suicide usually isn't just because of bullying, it's a multitude of factors
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for those that think he took it to far... eat a %$^$%^ that's right i said it... if you have been bullied for years you are going to snap and hurt some one ... getting bullied is wrong... and i give props to the kid that let them know what they were doing was wrong. did he hurt them sure... but they fully deserved it.... i got expelled from school from a similar case like this... only i broke one of the kids arm and nose. I was never bullied again fyi i snapped like this kid after 4-5 years on constant bullying so let it be a lesson to stupid people that think they are tough because its 2 or 3 or 4 vs 1 person.
Sad thing is more than half of you responding have never been bullied at all and probably did some bullying yourself.
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On March 15 2011 15:49 Derme wrote:
For those of you who think that Casey went too far because he could have killed the guy, consider the many other cases of bullying that resulted in the victim committing suicide. Even if Casey accidentally killed the guy(highly unlikely in any case) such prolonged bullying could very well have resulted in Casey dying instead. In my opinion, both parties were committing equally dangerous actions, except Casey was doing it in self-defence.
Even barring extreme things like suicide, bullying like that can really mess people up psychologically. Hopefully Casey isn't traumatized already, but bullying like that will probably cause him to react to provocation with violence instinctively into his adulthood.
My best friends was bullied a lot in middle school/early high school and ended up snapping on more than one person in self-defense. He's now 21 and still if people provoke him reacts with violence and then feels horrible and guilty about it as soon as it's over. He goes out of his way to avoid physical situations, but it's hard to control if someone is fucking with him. It's very sad, and I wouldn't really feel pity if he did break the bully's neck.
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I think it's quite apparent that the real problem is that the bullying was allowed to occur in the first place. Both Casey and the bully were very young and very likely did not fully understand the significance of their actions. Adults, in particular those employed by the school, do (or should) understand the significance of bullying and should have stepped in before it reached this point. The failure is on the system/society that allowed such a situation to occur in the first place.
With that being said, Casey was clearly the victim here and reacted in a very reasonable (albeit dangerous) way. Every person has a breaking point, and at some point every person has a right to take whatever actions are necessary to defend themselves. Casey retaliating to the bullying was entirely reasonable and expected. What the bullies were doing was not reasonable and inexcusable. Should Casey have utilized such a dangerous means of defending himself? No, because the bully could have been seriously or permanently injured. But that doesn't change the fact that Casey's reaction was perfectly understandable.
The fact that Casey's violent reaction was so reasonable and expected is the exact reason why bullying should not be tolerated and why it's so important for schools and society to prevent it. Bullying is a terrible thing to be subjected to, and it can have some serious ramifications on a person's mental health. There are many documented cases of victims of bullying reacting extremely, whether it be suicide, extreme retaliation (escalating the violence in self defense), or going postal. None of us should be surprised by how Casey reacted in self defense, whether you agree with how he defended himself or not, and I don't believe anyone has any right to expect anything else from him in such terrible circumstances.
Bottom line: The root of the problem is that the bullying was allowed to occur. If it hadn't, Casey would never have had to defend himself in any manner. Everything that happened afterward was to be expected under the circumstances. If anyone has a problem with the results (i.e. body slam), they should look at what was the real cause (bullying) and who was responsible (the adults that should have been preventing bullying).
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On March 15 2011 15:44 hoppipolla wrote:
Eagerly awaiting the debut of Casey 'Beastmaster' McLargeHuge into the UFC!
UFC 130 Anderson Silva vs Casey 'Beastmaster' McLargeHuge
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On March 15 2011 16:30 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
I think it's quite apparent that the real problem is that the bullying was allowed to occur in the first place. Both Casey and the bully were very young and very likely did not fully understand the significance of their actions. Adults, in particular those employed by the school, do (or should) understand the significance of bullying and should have stepped in before it reached this point. The failure is on the system/society that allowed such a situation to occur in the first place.
With that being said, Casey was clearly the victim here and reacted in a very reasonable (albeit dangerous) way. Every person has a breaking point, and at some point every person has a right to take whatever actions are necessary to defend themselves. Casey retaliating to the bullying was entirely reasonable and expected. What the bullies were doing was not reasonable and inexcusable. Should Casey have utilized such a dangerous means of defending himself? No, because the bully could have been seriously or permanently injured. But that doesn't change the fact that Casey's reaction was perfectly understandable.
The fact that Casey's violent reaction was so reasonable and expected is the exact reason why bullying should not be tolerated and why it's so important for schools and society to prevent it. Bullying is a terrible thing to be subjected to, and it can have some serious ramifications on a person's mental health. There are many documented cases of victims of bullying reacting extremely, whether it be suicide, extreme retaliation (escalating the violence in self defense), or going postal. None of us should be surprised by how Casey reacted in self defense, whether you agree with how he defended himself or not, and I don't believe anyone has any right to expect anything else from him in such terrible circumstances.
Bottom line: The root of the problem is that the bullying was allowed to occur. If it hadn't, Casey would never have had to defend himself in any manner. Everything that happened afterward was to be expected under the circumstances. If anyone has a problem with the results (i.e. body slam), they should look at what was the real cause (bullying) and who was responsible (the adults that should have been preventing bullying).
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Damn. Is it possible the diagnosis could be wrong? Couldn't something else, in addition to the ankle broke? An arm, maybe a fractured femur perhaps?
I'm so depressed about this.
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