EPTThe case of the bullied kid Casey - Page 36
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Note: a number of sources are saying that Beast Master Casey has been suspended for 4 days and that the rat boy was suspended for 21. Look around for more sources please. | ||
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cujo2k
Canada1044 Posts
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Abductedonut
United States324 Posts
On March 15 2011 13:53 cujo2k wrote: O_O why would he get suspended for self-defense; that's one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while. If they had their way, you'd go to jail for stabbing a guy when you're in a life or death self-defensive situation. Hopefully it's not true though~ Because in the eyes of the school you don't respond to violence with violence. It doesn't matter whether it comes from bullying or a fight. And besides, he brought a hydrogen bomb to a fist fight. But it's totally worth it, I probably would have done much worse to that kid. ( A body slam hurts for a couple of days, what I'd do to him would hurt for years.) | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 15 2011 13:53 cujo2k wrote: O_O why would he get suspended for self-defense; that's one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while. If they had their way, you'd go to jail for stabbing a guy when you're in a life or death self-defensive situation. Hopefully it's not true though~ Becuase he resorted to violence, it's more of a well we still gotta do something to him kind of thing. Like we know he's right and all but it's not like we can let him go unpunished, If you hurt someone you should be prepared for something like that. But then again, defeating the bully was worth it and more important | ||
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crown77
United States157 Posts
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men1kmati
United States165 Posts
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YejinYejin
United States1053 Posts
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greyarea
Australia31 Posts
On March 15 2011 13:53 cujo2k wrote: O_O why would he get suspended for self-defense; that's one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while. If they had their way, you'd go to jail for stabbing a guy when you're in a life or death self-defensive situation. Hopefully it's not true though~ The other side of it is that if he were to walk away from it without any punishment, it would fuel future resentment/bullying because of the 'unfairness' of the situation. He would be seen as special/favoured, and Australia has a pretty serious tall poppy thing going on. | ||
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Skithiryx
Australia648 Posts
On March 15 2011 13:58 Abductedonut wrote: Because in the eyes of the school you don't respond to violence with violence. It doesn't matter whether it comes from bullying or a fight. And besides, he brought a hydrogen bomb to a fist fight. But it's totally worth it, I probably would have done much worse to that kid. ( A body slam hurts for a couple of days, what I'd do to him would hurt for years.) +1 to this, having went through many many years of bullying in school any form of retaliation or "hitting back" actually lands you in more trouble then them, the Australian schools stance on it is you tell the teachers, the teachers yell at the kid a little, the kid comes back and bullies you even worse, they never get any serious repercussions, I remember once when one of them superheated a metal ruler in chem then slapped it on the back of my leg(severe burn) all he got was a two day Inner school suspension where he just played his ds for two days. Australian schooling is very very far behind in these things and it gets worse the further and further you get away from cities. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Lochat
United States270 Posts
You claim that a kid may break his neck and leave him paralyzed for life, I have to ask you: Do you think mental abuse inflicted towards a child for years upon years isn't going to damage him for the rest of his life? The slam breaking his neck is going to be as life-changing as many kids who endured emotional abuse to the point it destroyed them, as stuff like school shootings would attest to. Not to mention the idea of trying to blame the victim for his reasonable self defense is absurd to begin with. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On March 15 2011 14:06 Lochat wrote: Personally, while never bullied, I'm curious as to why those are defending the bully. You claim that a kid may break his neck and leave him paralyzed for life, I have to ask you: Do you think mental abuse inflicted towards a child for years upon years isn't going to damage him for the rest of his life? The slam breaking his neck is going to be as life-changing as many kids who endured emotional abuse to the point it destroyed them, as stuff like school shootings would attest to. Not to mention the idea of trying to blame the victim for his reasonable self defense is absurd to begin with. Violence doesn't justify violence, contrary to popular belief. It may be what he "deserved", but that doesn't make it right. The victim isn't being blamed for starting a fight. He's being blamed for using violence. It's purely an objective viewpoint on violence itself that the school has to take a stance on. Did you not notice how Casey's sentence was 5 times shorter than the other kid's? | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 15 2011 14:06 Lochat wrote: Personally, while never bullied, I'm curious as to why those are defending the bully. You claim that a kid may break his neck and leave him paralyzed for life, I have to ask you: Do you think mental abuse inflicted towards a child for years upon years isn't going to damage him for the rest of his life? The slam breaking his neck is going to be as life-changing as many kids who endured emotional abuse to the point it destroyed them, as stuff like school shootings would attest to. Not to mention the idea of trying to blame the victim for his reasonable self defense is absurd to begin with. Really it's just that violence is wrong no matter how you justify it, when I fought back against those kids in elementary school I knew I was doing the wrong thing, but It's also something that must be done. Violence is wrong, but if I must do wrong to survive so be it, I am ready to carry the consequences. That was how it worked for me anyways. | ||
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SwiftSpear
Canada355 Posts
On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote: I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid. Rather would've seen Casey beat the shit out of that smaller kid, which he easily could have, rather take it to that level. With great size, comes great responsibility. This post enrages me. If you are being physically assaulted, to me, you're in the right to incapacitate whoever is assaulting you. If they get hurt in the process, it's their own damn fault for starting a fight in the first place. If Casey had then started kicking the kid while he was on the ground, I would agree with you. But until you are no longer at threat of being further attacked, anything you do is justified as self defense. | ||
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Yoshinaka
New Zealand50 Posts
On March 15 2011 14:11 Zeke50100 wrote: Violence doesn't justify violence, contrary to popular belief. It may be what he "deserved", but that doesn't make it right. The victim isn't being blamed for starting a fight. He's being blamed for using violence. It's purely an objective viewpoint on violence itself that the school has to take a stance on. Did you not notice how Casey's sentence was 5 times shorter than the other kid's? What did America do when the Muslims crashed a plane into their building? They didnt tell the teachers on them thats for sure. Realistically ever since the beginning of man, violence has been fought with violence | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 15 2011 14:21 SwiftSpear wrote: This post enrages me. If you are being physically assaulted, to me, you're in the right to incapacitate whoever is assaulting you. If they get hurt in the process, it's their own damn fault for starting a fight in the first place. If Casey had then started kicking the kid while he was on the ground, I would agree with you. But until you are no longer at threat of being further attacked, anything you do is justified as self defense. I agree, when you're in a fight you're not in a postion to hold back, If your in a fight you're going to do what is going to hurt your enemy the most. That kind of naive thinking is gonna get someone killed one day. Remember no matter what you're more important than them | ||
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Joementum
787 Posts
It was sophomore year for me when I did. Some black jock that was always calling me a racist names backed me into a corner and started trying to egg me on. When I just ignored him, he started pushing me around and eventually grabbed my shirt. I kneed him right in the nuts and started wailing on his face afterward. He never even made eye contact with me again. GG asshole. The one thing I can't fucking stand in school systems though, is that you can't fight back. If you fight back, you get suspended no matter what. How does that work? One day, in an art class, a kid jumped out of his seat and onto my friend, that was talking to me and NO ONE else. The kid started wailing on my friend and my friend somehow got up, threw the kid to the ground and fought back. My friend got suspended for 7 days, while the other guy only got 5 days. Why? Because the other kid got bloodied up. In the eyes of the school system, you're supposed to sit there and take a beating for no fucking reason. Video: http://www.sportsgrid.com/media/video-of-bully-victim-body-slamming-his-antagonizer-goes-viral-media-firestorm-clouds-form/ | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
On March 15 2011 14:11 Zeke50100 wrote: Violence doesn't justify violence, contrary to popular belief. It may be what he "deserved", but that doesn't make it right. The victim isn't being blamed for starting a fight. He's being blamed for using violence. It's purely an objective viewpoint on violence itself that the school has to take a stance on. Did you not notice how Casey's sentence was 5 times shorter than the other kid's? violence doesnt justify violence? how the hell not? we're all entitled to our own well being, and when someone violates that you have every right to do what you have to do change that, by ANY means necessary. self defense is something that should never ever been argued over. | ||
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j0k3r
United States577 Posts
I support Casey's actions. I know what it's like being bullied although I was never assaulted physically like that. The psychological harm just extends itself after getting hit in the face like that I can imagine. The school must uphold equal standards and their code of conduct, which is why I understand the 4-day suspension. Really, he did no wrong and I doubt kids will mess with him again knowing that he has the balls to do something about it. | ||
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
He was hurt and he lashed out physically, which is probably something he doesn't do very often. You can tell he didn't really know what he was doing and he was just trying to fight back. If an adult did something like that, it is surely taking it too far. I do not believe that is the case here. A child's signature on a contract is not binding because it is often likely that he does not have the experience or knowledge that would allow him to understand the consequences of what he is signing. Similarly, a child lashing out does not have the experience or discipline to know how badly he is going to hurt the person. He, in regards to his decision making and what he is capable of understanding, did absolutely nothing wrong. It is also ludicrous to expect a child to have developed philosophically complex values that would remind him (while being punched in the face) that you don't fight violence with violence. | ||
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