EPTThe case of the bullied kid Casey - Page 30
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Note: a number of sources are saying that Beast Master Casey has been suspended for 4 days and that the rat boy was suspended for 21. Look around for more sources please. | ||
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arterian
Canada1157 Posts
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maliceee
United States634 Posts
On March 15 2011 08:24 Husnan wrote: I'm not a troll. And this isn't bullshit either. I teach kids age 11 to 18, I think I'd know about it. What I'm saying is what seems to be a very, very rare occurrence in France seems to be the common standard in the US. That's all. If you're gonna see anti-americanism in that, then you're a lost cause. Youre that teacher that has students being bullied in front of you and has no idea. Congratulations. this had nothing to do with the US in the first place. Funny part of that video is the little shit's friend backing off when he sees him bodyslammed then timidly walks up knowing if that kid wanted to he could fuck him up. | ||
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sureshot_
United States257 Posts
On March 15 2011 08:31 progeny wrote: totally got what he deserved. But what is that older girl in the back doing? Standing there watching a group of people gang up on someone and then after its over saying i think you need to back off. People like her is the main reason bullying exist. QFT. People need to act, get help, and solve the problem before it even starts. Society puts so much pressure on the kid getting bullied to call for an adult or find help, but if you have ever been in such a situation I think you'll find that it's an extremely difficult demand (whether mentally or physically, mostly mentally). You're not going to give up your integrity, reputation and the absence of a black eye to go find an adult when the conflict is standing right in front of you. There are people who sit on the sidelines and watch this happen all the time and don't think much of it. Why? Because they aren't the ones getting bullied. If more people got up and actually stepped in I think this wouldn't be nearly as big of a problem. | ||
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backtoback
Canada1276 Posts
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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
On March 15 2011 03:08 Kennigit wrote: This brought a tear to my eye - i had very similar experience happen to me in elementary school. I started grade 1 in scotland (you start when you are 4 1/2 ish) so i was always a year younger when i moved back to Canada and US. In my math class in grade 7 this kid would pick on me every day sitting behind me, slapping my head etc. One day he slapped my ears with both his hands and in rage/instinct i grabbed my metal ruler, turned around and stabbed it through his hand lol. Suspended for a week. Never bullied again. GG. So no, i don't think Casey went too far. Too far would have been jumping on him and pounding his short little head into the ground. Did you hear everyone gasp in awe as that kid went down lol? I doubt people will fuck with him much when he gets back to school;. edit: to add to this, i go to college with the kid now and one night he was drunk and broke down into tears apologizing for being a dick when he was younger. Kids. Summed up how I feel Kennigit. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On March 15 2011 08:32 Husnan wrote: Dude, I'm 26... It's not like I'm an old grandma who forgot how it was back then... My high school years are not that far back and I can tell you for a fact that this didn't happen. Not to me, not to any of my friends, or classmates, not to my brothers, not to my friends' brothers, or my brothers' friends, not to anyone. And I don't know what this nonsense is about teachers and their views on their students. I know which of my students get drunk on weekends, I know which ones smoke weed, and a lot more than that. But ok, I missed the part where it said it was in Australia. So I guess it's not a US-only thing. Nevertheless, it's pretty common in the US as well judging by the comments from Americans in this thread and from the pop-culture references I've been able to grab (The Simpsons, Malcolm in the Middle, etc..) And I stand by my statement that this is not a common thing in France. At all. Another person using their personal experiences to generalize a country and attack America (even when the article isn't about America, lmao). Typical. BTW In Spain around 7% of kids between 9 and 16 are victims of extreme bullying. A 2000 report on what many Spanish experts call "abuse among equals" in secondary schools noted that the country's "classrooms, school playgrounds, hallways and bathrooms ... often become regular sites for violent episodes." In France, almost 13% of students say they've been the target of multiple bullying incidents, while the number of violent incidents in schools — including verbal attacks, fighting and theft, as well as bullying — rose from 72,000 during the 2002-03 school year to 81,000 one year later. In Germany, the percentage of pupils who say they've been involved in physical violence has doubled within a generation, from 5% in the 1970s to 10% today. "The threshold has been lowered substantially," says Werner Ebner, a former teacher in the town of Riederich in southern Germany. "Kids resort to physical violence much more readily." In late November in South Wales, cancer surviver Bianca Powell, 12, suffered minor burns when a bully set fire to her hair, which had just grown back after four years of chemotherapy. That same month, the National Confederation of Parent-Teacher Associations, a British national education charity, released results of a survey that reflects growing concerns about bullying. Of the 1,682 British parents surveyed, 21% said their children had been bullied at school in the past year; of those, 57% were attacked verbally and 27% physically. Source: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1018034-1,00.html 13% is pretty damn prevalent for multiple incidents. But ok. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
I was bullied alot during my entire school years, wasn't half a year I wasn't in a brawl, one time tho they were 2 vs 1 and I headbutted one of them unconsiouss and the other one was just like that kid, halting and quite groggy. The best time ever and probably one of the best feelings of my life was when one of the head bullies (who was smaller than me) was alone vs me, ended up with me hjumping on his head. Got a charge of assult on me but was free'd due to "flow". | ||
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cydereal
United States193 Posts
Coming from the perspective of someone who was bullied, every time someone pushed me around, the last thing I wanted was a confrontation. I wanted to go back into the shadows where I could play Starcraft and be with friends. The kids that came after me all did so because I was an easy target. One day in Freshman year a kid picked a fight with me on the lunch grounds, and I bull rushed him. He had a separated shoulder, and I had my pride. It didn't solve the issue outright. Bullies like this never act alone, and for weeks afterward I had to deal with his friends trying to stir things up. It died down once it became clear that I was prepared to hit back if they hit me, and that I could do serious damage to them. Unfortunately, this is part of growing up. Kids are little turds to one another, and in some cases, simply backing away from the confrontation doesn't stop it before it gets worse. | ||
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sOvrn
United States678 Posts
On March 15 2011 08:35 maliceee wrote: Youre that teacher that has students being bullied in front of you and has no idea. Congratulations. this had nothing to do with the US in the first place. I think you're being too hard on this guy. I'm going to assume France is somewhat similar to spain, where I grew up, and in many of those schools there are a lot less students per grade then in the united states. In my high school for example we had around 50 students in total for any particular grade and bullying US style NEVER happened while when I lived in the US during middle school, it was common to see. In spain, there were a group of kids that were the "weird ones" and were made fun of but there was never any sort of physical violence towards them. In fact, there was only one fight in my four years of high school and that was the guys from my grade vs the guys from a grade higher and that was it. I wouldn't say bullying never happens in France/ Spain, but I would not be surprised if the percentage of bullying was much higher in the US than in France/Spain. Hell, I can't even think of the Spanish world for "bully," while in the US the word has a very specific meaning. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32051 Posts
On March 15 2011 08:32 Husnan wrote: Dude, I'm 26... It's not like I'm an old grandma who forgot how it was back then... My high school years are not that far back and I can tell you for a fact that this didn't happen. Not to me, not to any of my friends, or classmates, not to my brothers, not to my friends' brothers, or my brothers' friends, not to anyone. And I don't know what this nonsense is about teachers and their views on their students. I know which of my students get drunk on weekends, I know which ones smoke weed, and a lot more than that. But ok, I missed the part where it said it was in Australia. So I guess it's not a US-only thing. Nevertheless, it's pretty common in the US as well judging by the comments from Americans in this thread and from the pop-culture references I've been able to grab (The Simpsons, Malcolm in the Middle, etc..) And I stand by my statement that this is not a common thing in France. At all. the only comment ive seen on this site that approaches this level of ignorance is when whatisprotoss went on for a whole thread babbling about how depression doesnt exist in korea. its kind of like ahmadinejad saying homosexuality doesnt exist in Iran, wooooo weee! | ||
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Husnan
France298 Posts
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
And I stand by my statement that this is not a common thing in France. At all. Im quite confused as to what deluded world you live in, just during my exchange in france I witnessed quite a bit of bullying and I was told it was quite common, as it is in sweden. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On March 15 2011 03:08 Kennigit wrote: This brought a tear to my eye - i had very similar experience happen to me in elementary school. I started grade 1 in scotland (you start when you are 4 1/2 ish) so i was always a year younger when i moved back to Canada and US. In my math class in grade 7 this kid would pick on me every day sitting behind me, slapping my head etc. One day he slapped my ears with both his hands and in rage/instinct i grabbed my metal ruler, turned around and stabbed it through his hand lol. Suspended for a week. Never bullied again. GG. So no, i don't think Casey went too far. Too far would have been jumping on him and pounding his short little head into the ground. Did you hear everyone gasp in awe as that kid went down lol? I doubt people will fuck with him much when he gets back to school;. edit: to add to this, i go to college with the kid now and one night he was drunk and broke down into tears apologizing for being a dick when he was younger. Kids. LOL similar story from me kennigit. I accidentally tripped some kids 'girlfriend' in 7th grade, so i reached down to help her up and was apologising when the kid ran up and did the stupid shoulder push i-wanna-start-a-fight-in-the-worst-possible-position-but-also-want-to-seem-like-i'm-snuggling-in-bed-with-you thing. So i did what any normal person would do, i told him to go away and i laughed in his face. and then he punched me in the head, and tried to pin me against the wall and choke me. so i bent back his arm and stabbed him in the hand with a pencil told him to leave me alone. he then IMMEDIATELY walks off to tell a teacher what happened to get me in trouble, and i tell him, hey it's not worth it don't worry about it we're both fine, don't get us both in trouble. he ignores me and gets us both suspended ugh. and i had a dress rehearsal for the musical i was in that day  btw i waited until I could justify hurting him to do anything, punching in the head and pushing to me was nothing, i waited until he was trying to strangle me, and i still got suspended, the kid would have had a couple broken bones if i knew i was going to be suspended anyway. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On March 15 2011 08:50 Husnan wrote: I didn't say it didn't exist, I said it was a rare occurence. 13% of kids reporting being repeatedly bullying constitutes "rare"? What, did you think we had like a 50% ratio in the U.S. or something? | ||
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marigold
Belgium10 Posts
But that kid absolutely deserved his beat down, hope it stops, as the worst thing of those bullying has very little to do with physical damage. The years he's passing now are very important to shape his personality, and going through it as a bullied kid has potential to damage your entire life. | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
I also agree with the school's decision of giving Casey a 4 days suspension, for a bullied kid to react like that is an incredible shock, I have been in his same spot throughout a large part of my school career and teachers were holding me more guilty for retaliating than the bullies. My favorite reddit comment on this topic was "If I were his father I would take 4 days off to eat pizza and play videogames with him". The child reacted out of instinct and without his parents, his parents need to give something back to him. A lot of large kids which were bullied in school end up being extremely afraid of violence and of hurting anyone. If Casey had broke the kid's neck his life would have been fucked, and my parents as an example were always forcing this concept on me and that prevented me for the longest time from retaliating. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
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legaton
France1763 Posts
Still, public school in France are really really different depending on the place you are talking about. The downtown high-schools in beautiful eighteen century buildings and high-schools in the poor neighborhoods of the periphery are a world apart. You can find bullying in both, but the forms will be different. Things will be less physical in the downtown. But fights are actually uncommon in public schools. Sadly, when they happen, they happen outside the school perimeter, and we can't do shit about it (specially when it is related to neighborhood conflicts). And oh yeah, you are nuts about cheering for the Casey kid, what he did was extremely dangerous and a knee injury is pretty serious. They are degrees in the response you can have against violence, and slamming somebody against a concrete playground is way too much. I understand the fact that he snapped, but as a teaching institution, you can't approve that kind of behavior (even if the fact that it exists proves you weren't doing a good work before). | ||
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AyeH
United States534 Posts
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Facedriller
Sweden275 Posts
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