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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.
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On March 17 2011 02:42 DarkGeneral wrote:
A crisis of this magnitude unites the people, and they achieve amazing things.
But why does this have to happen? Why do people have to suffer, so many people plunged into pain, so many of them not deserving it....
gah, what does life mean?
Because it's only when you have lost, or you are about to lose something, that you start thinking what would your life be without it.
I am amazed of the Japanese people. They can be blamed for a lot of things, but they are the most hard-worker and respectful people I've seen. The world should look at them when planning security protocols.
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On March 17 2011 02:43 Craton wrote:
Even found time to plant a row of shrubs in just the 4 days. I wonder how many crews they have doing work at this rate around the country.
Japan is pretty crazy when it comes to construction. I was in Tokyo, Japan for a three month period from May 2008 to August 2008 and when I first got there they were just starting construction on the building across from my apt. By the end of July the building was already painted and ready for rent. It was five floors high if I remember correctly.
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On March 17 2011 02:37 RoosterSamurai wrote:Wow! I wish they had road workers like that in Delaware- "The state of never-ending roadwork."
Yeah seriously, where I live in Ohio has had freeway construction for 2 years now... I'n the same 2 miles stretch of road.
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On March 17 2011 02:50 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 02:43 Craton wrote:
Even found time to plant a row of shrubs in just the 4 days. I wonder how many crews they have doing work at this rate around the country. Japan is pretty crazy when it comes to construction. I was in Tokyo, Japan for a three month period from May 2008 to August 2008 and when I first got there they were just starting construction on the building across from my apt. By the end of July the building was already painted and ready for rent. It was five floors high if I remember correctly.
Haha yeah, it's pretty sick that picture but still so true. During my time there I've seen many as effective roadworks or construction of buildings. Remember one day just seeing a new 25 story building popping up after being there for like 3 months. Same with roadworks, one day in the evening a street is not paved and they just started working the next day the huge street of I don't know how long is finished. But again the most insane thing is with the buildings. It's like wtf are people doing at home, they are not using more people either...
Also that 10 day thingy I don't remember but it was all over some were even saying 7 days I believe, that after that amount of time there is no danger from the heat of the rods and no risk of meltdown or such since the radiation reach such a low levels after that many days.
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On March 17 2011 02:24 Draconicfire wrote:Wow. Thats actually really really cool.
FUCK YES JAPAN.
fighting!
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On March 17 2011 00:24 chaoser wrote:
Edano just said minutes ago that if someone were in the 20 KM evacuated area for 24 hours a day, for a whole year at the present levels of radiation, MAYBE they will get health risks. So there ya go, it's not 100% safe but it's not chernobyl or even three mile island for that matter.
It's not the present level that people are worried about, it's possible future levels. If the increase in radiation cannot be stopped, the level inside/close to the power plant might rise to levels that could make it impossible for people to work there without getting serious radiation sickness.
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I haven't heard reports of crime or anything looting. Everyone Japan seems to be very resilient. Unlike some countries *coughs katrina* where we act like complete fucking savages.
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On March 17 2011 03:14 Danneth wrote:
I haven't heard reports of crime or anything looting. Everyone Japan seems to be very resilient. Unlike some countries *coughs katrina* where we act like complete fucking savages.
This picture sums it all up
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Canada9720 Posts
On March 16 2011 14:47 furymonkey wrote:
Does anyone know what protection is made for the central control room of a nuclear power plant, I'd imagine some sort of radiation shielding is probably exists, but not enough for catastrophic radation leak, and that is why it isn't safe to stay in the control room right now.
If some 6 inch of lead is shielding the control room, would it make any difference? If so do you think it's not implemented to avoid high cost?
yeah, i was wondering the same thing. i'm not sure if this has been posted, but i read a great article that was originally written by some blog, then edited with facts by MIT's nuclear engineering department:
http://mitnse.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/?mit
the whole article is really interesting, but i'll post some key excerpts:
The entire primary loop of the nuclear reactor – the pressure vessel, pipes, and pumps that contain the coolant (water) – are housed in the containment structure. This structure is the fourth barrier to radioactive material release. The containment structure is a hermetically (air tight) sealed, very thick structure made of steel and concrete. This structure is designed, built and tested for one single purpose: To contain, indefinitely, a complete core meltdown
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It is worth mentioning at this point that the nuclear fuel in a reactor can never cause a nuclear explosion like a nuclear bomb. At Chernobyl, the explosion was caused by excessive pressure buildup, hydrogen explosion and rupture of all structures, propelling molten core material into the environment. Note that Chernobyl did not have a containment structure as a barrier to the environment. Why that did not and will not happen in Japan, is discussed further below.
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As mentioned previously, steam and other gases are vented. Some of these gases are radioactive fission products, but they exist in small quantities. Therefore, when the operators started venting the system, some radioactive gases were released to the environment in a controlled manner (ie in small quantities through filters and scrubbers). While some of these gases are radioactive, they did not pose a significant risk to public safety to even the workers on site. This procedure is justified as its consequences are very low, especially when compared to the potential consequences of not venting and risking the containment structures’ integrity.
so, the article answers your question by saying that the entire reactor is encased by a large container that's made up of steel and concrete, that's designed to indefinitely contain a meltdown. they maintain it is impossible for what happened at chernobyl to happen in japan
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On March 17 2011 02:46 Sorkoas wrote:At Swedish TV they were interviewing some reindeer owners who apparently are seriously worried about nuclear waste reaching us from Japan. First I was laughing but then it made me rage when I realized she wasn't even kidding. Really, WTF? http://playrapport.se/#/video/2362105
This is the correct link for the raindeer; http://playrapport.se/#/video/2362378
I was on the way home from work today when I heard some people on the subway that was talking about how they have to buy Iodine tablets after reading the swedish newspaper.
It's abit over the top don't you think?
I was planning on going to Tokyo in april but I guess I will donate the cash that i've saved up for it, is there any good site that you can recommend?
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On March 17 2011 03:14 Danneth wrote:
I haven't heard reports of crime or anything looting. Everyone Japan seems to be very resilient. Unlike some countries *coughs katrina* where we act like complete fucking savages.
Well one of the factors in looting is that the store owners were not exactly around immediately after katrina. How can you buy things when your bank is closed and the store is closed? A lot of the businesses in japan are still open and they aren't price gouging.
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
On March 17 2011 03:14 Danneth wrote:
I haven't heard reports of crime or anything looting. Everyone Japan seems to be very resilient. Unlike some countries *coughs katrina* where we act like complete fucking savages.
A salient lesson that can be applied from that tragedy was that the media will often report things that are absolutely false (e.g. reports of cannibalism in NO), which is exactly what seems to be happening here on a more extreme scale. I am frankly disgusted at the American media coverage right now -- its a sad day when blogs and Teamliquid provide more rational analysis than CNN or Obama cabinet officials.
In any case, I hope that the heros working in the reactor can resolve the situation.
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On March 17 2011 01:20 IntoTheWow wrote:
I don't think that really matters.
It just gives into the:
French reactors -> safe
Non-french reactors -> not safe
logic.
That is definitly not the real reason.
Basicly the Green party is using the accident because they have been saying that nuclear power is dangerous since at least three decades, so they want to make a national debate about energies ( they want to promote renevable energies ).
On the other hand, the government is using the accident because the current situation in Libya is extremely embarrassing for Sarkozy. His attempts to create a no-fly zone have been a complete failure and he didn't send help to the rebels ( even after recognizing their council lol ). Now that the rebellion will get crushed, they don't want people to talk about Libya.
Oh and should i mention that Saïf Al-Islam Ghadaffi called him a "clown" ? Really embarrassing indeed. Especially for a president at an all time low in the polls ( elections next year ) who wanted to regain some credibility as a leader.
Then of course there are all the journalists who are trying to get more audience with sensationalism.
Nobody here is saying that it has happened because non-French reactors aren't as safe. The nuclear lobby is kinda annoyed by the bad publicity to be honest and really i don't see them bragging about "superior reactors". Areva is pretty much quiet lol. Low profile ~
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On March 17 2011 03:19 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 03:14 Danneth wrote:
I haven't heard reports of crime or anything looting. Everyone Japan seems to be very resilient. Unlike some countries *coughs katrina* where we act like complete fucking savages. Well one of the factors in looting is that the store owners were not exactly around immediately after katrina. How can you buy things when your bank is closed and the store is closed? A lot of the businesses in japan are still open and they aren't price gouging.
People are starving in Tokyo right now. The stores have been sold out within hours of the quake.
The main reason people aren't looting is because everyone can just buy out entire stores, unfortunately...
There's also a lot of scams and pranks going on. It's not all peaches and flowers.
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On March 17 2011 03:19 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 03:14 Danneth wrote:
I haven't heard reports of crime or anything looting. Everyone Japan seems to be very resilient. Unlike some countries *coughs katrina* where we act like complete fucking savages. Well one of the factors in looting is that the store owners were not exactly around immediately after katrina. How can you buy things when your bank is closed and the store is closed? A lot of the businesses in japan are still open and they aren't price gouging.
There are towns that are completely destroyed making it open for looting. Just look at the pictures. The people who survive go to other areas to buy their stuff. People of Katrina could have done the same.
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On March 17 2011 03:19 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 03:14 Danneth wrote:
I haven't heard reports of crime or anything looting. Everyone Japan seems to be very resilient. Unlike some countries *coughs katrina* where we act like complete fucking savages. Well one of the factors in looting is that the store owners were not exactly around immediately after katrina. How can you buy things when your bank is closed and the store is closed? A lot of the businesses in japan are still open and they aren't price gouging.
To be fair, buying shoes and cloth is probably last thing in my mind when a diaster struck....
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On March 17 2011 03:19 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 03:14 Danneth wrote:
I haven't heard reports of crime or anything looting. Everyone Japan seems to be very resilient. Unlike some countries *coughs katrina* where we act like complete fucking savages. Well one of the factors in looting is that the store owners were not exactly around immediately after katrina. How can you buy things when your bank is closed and the store is closed? A lot of the businesses in japan are still open and they aren't price gouging.
If they were closed they would not get looted. Their society as a whole is on a completely another level than the one in the US.
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On March 17 2011 03:17 ThumperSD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2011 03:14 Danneth wrote:
I haven't heard reports of crime or anything looting. Everyone Japan seems to be very resilient. Unlike some countries *coughs katrina* where we act like complete fucking savages. This picture sums it all up
When I came back after having spent about a month in Japan the first thing I did was to go into a grocery store. Near the counter they had a small freezer for ice cream (for impulse purchases) and some a-hole had stuffed it with coke, for no reason at all other than to be an a-hole. Seeing that really made me miss Japan and made me despise people in our society even more. The contrast was just so sharp, going from people who are considerate about others to people who demonstratively don't give a fuck.
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1832: The AP news agency is quoting Tepco as saying a new power line is almost ready which could end the crisis. The disruption of power to the pumps which send coolant through the reactors is what led to their overheating.
From BBC, looks like things will hopefully be ok soon
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On March 16 2011 13:45 Cambium wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 12:42 chaoser wrote:
TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo
Worth tweeting, too, that TEPCO have not 'abandoned Fukushima', as suggested by various shocker headlines. 50 brave workers remain on site.
16 seconds ago
TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo
There has been no further report concerning the earlier earthquake alert. (12.40pm, March 16) I'm trying to match the timestamps, it seems like that rt is more recent; however, according to this article, the remaining 50 have been evacuated as well: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/03/15/2011-03-15_japan_nuclear_crisis_workers_halt_desperate_struggle_to_stop_meltdown_at_fukushi.htmlIt also mentioned that it's been upgraded to level 6, which makes it worse than 3MI, and 2nd worst in history only to Chernobyl.
The NY daily news is a garbage news source. They pretty much get their news from everyone else and they're pretty much a step away from being a tabloid newspaper.
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