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Taosu
Ukraine1074 Posts
On November 24 2010 03:10 SaltTheWound wrote: North Korea is just so bad. I hate this country... So sad the attackes south Korea. Cant believe it. The affair is way more complicated man. | ||
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
On November 24 2010 03:10 nosliw wrote: Has anyone figured out why the North fired? "Early Tuesday morning (local time), North Korean military commanders contacted their counterparts in the South and demanded that South Korean Marines cease a military exercise that included the firing of live ammunition. The exercise was in South Korean territory, an island to the west of the peninsula, and the ammunition was being fired to the south, away from the North Koreans. The South Koreans refused to comply, and the North opened fire with long-range heavy artillery, pounding a South Korean military base and surrounding civilian areas." http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/11/23/matt-gurney-china-mouthes-platitudes-while-its-ally-provokes-war/#ixzz1689w5WnN | ||
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
On November 24 2010 03:10 nosliw wrote: Has anyone figured out why the North fired? apparently south korean ships provoked them. i dont know; all the sources i've read so far are from western sources or from south korea i can see how south korea would be bias and from all the lectures i've had on western perspectives on overseas conflicts, i can't be 100% confident that it is all north koreas fault im not saying or supporting either side. i'm just really open to learn what the causes of the attack from both sides were. thats all. south korea does military exercises too dont they? i'm pretty sure they dont pubicly document all of them either. i dont think any military in the world would document everything they did. maybe something happened that provoked north korea. or maybe it was the other way around and nkorea did something to provoke the south and the south attacked first and nkorea retaliated. who knows obviously there are numerous possibilities. i just cant see why people are making such like.. one liner blind sided comments. | ||
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oRacLeGosu
Norway151 Posts
On November 24 2010 03:12 JodoYodo wrote: South Korea's technology outpaces North Korea's. Yep..NKR has very old equipment for the most part. The moral of the NKR army is also just a sharade. They have nothing to fight for..they win by losing. Koreans are koreans..families are divided because of a few psychoes. | ||
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Grettin
42394 Posts
Web based research about NK's army. Still gives some kind of picture what SK would be facing against. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?162240-Bluffer-s-Guide-North-Korea-strikes!-(2009) | ||
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Impervious
Canada4217 Posts
On November 24 2010 02:31 LazyMacro wrote: I think the thing that worries me the most is that if N. Korea should make another aggressive act, won't a war be started? I'm not entirely sure of the military capabilities of N. Korea, but if they have nuclear weapons isn't that of major concern? I guess it's more how they could deliver the warheads, right? What I mean is if N. Korea and S. Korea get into a shooting war, and each respective country's allies get in the mix, wouldn't the threat of a nuclear strike from NK against the US or another ally be of concern? Or is what I'm reading about NK not having anywhere near that capability correct? It sounds like their only real area of influence/threat would be S. Korea. Most of the artillery in the NK could probably fire on Seoul (at least, most of it should have the range for it)..... Should they use a mix of high explosive and incendiary rounds (high explosives to damage utilities and communication as well as prevent first responders from helping out and incendiary rounds to do the real damage), a concentrated barrage of a small chunk of their ~18k artillery guns (a lot of them are mortars, which would be useless for a barrage), for a period of a few minutes (it would take a while to coordinate a response afterall), the damage would definitely have been done. You'd end up with firestorms in the city..... For those who don't know what a firestorm in an urban setting is, look it up. It happened in Tokyo and Hamburg in WW2 (among other places and times), and were absolutely devastating, without requiring a nuke. + Show Spoiler + One of the most terrifying firestorms resulted from one bombing raid against Hamburg, on 27 July 1943, shortly before midnight. A number of factors combined to give the enormous destruction that followed; the unusually dry and warm weather, the concentration of the bombing in one area and that the city's firefighters were unable to reach the initial fires — the high explosive "Cookies" used in the early part of the raid had prevented them getting into the center of the city from the periphery where they were working on the results of the 24th. The bombings culminated in the spawning of the so-called "Feuersturm" (firestorm). Quite literally a tornado of fire, this phenomenon created a huge outdoor blast furnace, containing winds of up to 240 km/h (150 mph) and reaching temperatures of 800 °C (1,500 °F). It caused asphalt on the streets to burst into flame, cooked people to death in air-raid shelters, sucked pedestrians off the sidewalks like leaves into a vacuum cleaner and incinerated some eight square miles (21 km²) of the city. Most of the 40,000 casualties caused by Operation Gomorrah happened on this single night. - Wikipedia And you'd be worried about a single nuke (if they have it)? With the amount of artillery at their disposal, they could do as much damage in only a few minutes as a well placed nuke could. And could likely keep the barrage up for hours before being dealt with. It would be a war of pounding eachother into submission with ranged weaponry, because of the terrain..... And they still have a massive stockpile of chemical weapons as well..... It's not good for either side, nor the world as a whole..... Yea, WP and most other incindiary weapons are banned from use against civillian targets, but we're talking about NK here..... And they'll definitely have them at their disposal (since they're commonly used for screening and illumination). | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
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deek
Scotland69 Posts
"Early Tuesday morning (local time), North Korean military commanders contacted their counterparts in the South and demanded that South Korean Marines cease a military exercise that included the firing of live ammunition. The exercise was in South Korean territory, an island to the west of the peninsula, and the ammunition was being fired to the south, away from the North Koreans. The South Koreans refused to comply, and the North opened fire with long-range heavy artillery, pounding a South Korean military base and surrounding civilian areas" Even though the south korean government have stated that they were firing close to the maritime line "but didnt cross it" also the ammunition was deffo fired at the least to the west or directly to the north again korean government sources said the west earlier but later said they were firing close to the maritime border. It seems unlikely that the north koreans did just randomly decide to fire considering only a few days ago they were requesting to go into the south for humanitarian talks, although this could be the work of Kim Jung-un who I think was given a role governing over the military, while his father might be looking for a peaceful solution for his son to govern in. | ||
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iamnotabadguy
20 Posts
On November 24 2010 03:22 ProoM wrote: hmmm, I might be a little offtopic, but does S Korea (officially) have nuclear bombs? lol they dont need nuclear bombs,South Korea and Turkey in history best friend countrys,and Turkey have 10 million army,just realize now if South Korea need help,Turkey own North Korea User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
-rok navy exercise near the DISPUTED sea border -rok fires exercise shots towards the south of the yellow sea. -dprk outpost picks up audible of artillery fire -dprk responds by firing their artillery towards the island this is if we believe both sides of the story and try to come up with how it could have started. dprk says rok started. rok says they never fired towards north, but south. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On November 24 2010 03:22 ProoM wrote: hmmm, I might be a little offtopic, but does S Korea (officially) have nuclear bombs? they have the knowledge and technology to create nukes but they do not have them. | ||
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Taosu
Ukraine1074 Posts
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optical630
United Kingdom768 Posts
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Mawi
Sweden4365 Posts
But from what i heard this was just a warning because south korea practiced at an island near North Korea so that is why they fired. | ||
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Consolidate
United States829 Posts
Rough summary of the situation 1. North Korea claims that its attack was in retaliation to South Korean artillery fire. 2. South Korean officials admit to firing artillery within maritime borders as part of a military exercise, but strongly condemn the North Korean aggression and promise to respond if any further attacks occur. 3. China/US/Russia urge both nations to exercise restraint. Speculation: 1. North Korea posturing to gain negotiating leverage in order to receive more aid. 2. North Korea flexing military strength in order to instill confidence among its populace. 3. North Korea flexing military strength in order to convince the outside world that the its upcoming succession of power will not change the nation's foreign policy | ||
zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
On November 24 2010 03:23 iamnotabadguy wrote: lol they dont need nuclear bombs,South Korea and Turkey in history best friend countrys,and Turkey have 10 million army,just realize now if South Korea need help,Turkey own North Korea Stop posting this nonsense in this thread ok? | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
The so called police of the world finished iraq and afganistan! What about somalia, sudan, North Korea, etc.. etc! ohh i forgot they don't have oil... :| User was warned for this post | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On November 24 2010 03:26 Taosu wrote: yup. border dispute seems like the core problem that causes this conflict. ![[image loading]](http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/img/special/070813_p05_will02.jpg) | ||
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Z3kk
4099 Posts
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Robstickle
Great Britain406 Posts
On November 24 2010 03:14 Mazer wrote: "Early Tuesday morning (local time), North Korean military commanders contacted their counterparts in the South and demanded that South Korean Marines cease a military exercise that included the firing of live ammunition. The exercise was in South Korean territory, an island to the west of the peninsula, and the ammunition was being fired to the south, away from the North Koreans. The South Koreans refused to comply, and the North opened fire with long-range heavy artillery, pounding a South Korean military base and surrounding civilian areas." http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/11/23/matt-gurney-china-mouthes-platitudes-while-its-ally-provokes-war/#ixzz1689w5WnN And they probably want something to use as propoganda to make their people love Kim Jong Un some more. "Evil traitorous South Korean puppets of the imperialistic American regime attack North Korea but quick decisive action by Kim Jong Un protects the dignity of the Worker's Party." Or something like that. | ||
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