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oRacLeGosu
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway151 Posts
November 23 2010 15:47 GMT
#1321
Know that South Korea is actually a lot more powerful today than NKR militarily even without allies. China would not support NKR in a situation like this. It is an "unprovoked" attack. This attack is being called the the most serious since the war in the 50's.
a.k.a. [iNF]cALLe - member of TL since around 2002..account dead.
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4221 Posts
November 23 2010 15:50 GMT
#1322
On November 24 2010 00:42 Kezzer wrote:
wow this is scary... makes me think of all those times playing an assassin in a video game to kill some important figure that is committing genocide/starting a war. Where are those assassins now? :/

Wouldn't help the cause..... They'd be turned into martyrs for the cause.....
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
November 23 2010 15:52 GMT
#1323
The main reason why China "appears" to support NK is because it's their backyard. And any war there means a flood of refuges plus if the "invading" forces wins, China will have to border another superpower. Do you think US wants share border with Russia or UK ?
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
November 23 2010 15:53 GMT
#1324
On November 24 2010 00:50 Impervious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 00:42 Kezzer wrote:
wow this is scary... makes me think of all those times playing an assassin in a video game to kill some important figure that is committing genocide/starting a war. Where are those assassins now? :/

Wouldn't help the cause..... They'd be turned into martyrs for the cause.....

Then there's the whole 'stepping down to their level' thing going on. If we're running around assassinating (assuming that's even possible) leaders here and there, who the fuck are we to condemn them? An assassination would just give NK a million reason to escalate the conflict.
Kyhol
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2575 Posts
November 23 2010 15:53 GMT
#1325
I'd pull a fast one on NK. I would tell them that everythings cool and give them w/e they wanted. In the meantime I would do a sneak attack from underground. Bloody genius.
Wishing you well.
DoubleZee
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada556 Posts
November 23 2010 15:54 GMT
#1326
If it ever came to war why wouldn't China throw NKR under the bus? China has too much to lose and not enough to gain by backing NKR militarily. Anyway, it would take a lot more than this for SK to even consider another full scale war. How many millions of people are within range of NKR shells?
Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
November 23 2010 15:54 GMT
#1327
On November 24 2010 00:52 mmdmmd wrote:
The main reason why China "appears" to support NK is because it's their backyard. And any war there means a flood of refuges plus if the "invading" forces wins, China will have to border another superpower. Do you think US wants share border with Russia or UK ?


They wouldn't mind the UK but you make a valid point, China does not want foreign troops in its backyard and thus will support NK if SK gets support from the west.
WriterXiao8~~
DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
November 23 2010 15:58 GMT
#1328
On November 24 2010 00:53 Khol wrote:
I'd pull a fast one on NK. I would tell them that everythings cool and give them w/e they wanted. In the meantime I would do a sneak attack from underground. Bloody genius.


wow, how could no one ever think about that?!?

seriously, who wants to deal with an army that gives nothing on the Geneva Conventions, millions of (possibly starving) fugitives and a destabilisation of a whole region?
sNes.
Profile Joined June 2008
United States377 Posts
November 23 2010 15:59 GMT
#1329
you sc2 players who are in SK should probally head home asap before this gets any worse..just my take
Heroes get remembered but Legends never die
Ajunta
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany522 Posts
November 23 2010 16:00 GMT
#1330
On November 24 2010 00:54 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 00:52 mmdmmd wrote:
The main reason why China "appears" to support NK is because it's their backyard. And any war there means a flood of refuges plus if the "invading" forces wins, China will have to border another superpower. Do you think US wants share border with Russia or UK ?


They wouldn't mind the UK but you make a valid point, China does not want foreign troops in its backyard and thus will support NK if SK gets support from the west.


In case things get worse I feel that China's best course of action is to personally "take care" of NK. This way they would avoid having US and EU troops in their backyard and also settle things between SK and NK, thus saving millions of lives.
Cedwyn
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada58 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 16:01:02
November 23 2010 16:00 GMT
#1331
It seems illogical for the US to support SKR offensively in this conflict because they have nothing to gain. Plus I am sure most of the US civilians would concur that sending troops to an ally when they just got them from the East would be a strain on their country.

However other countries may lend a hand - probably not on the level of say the problems in the middle east, but more of a defensive aid to SKR (including the US in this case). I am sure SKR can handle their own given their radical growth over NKR.

But we all know this will blow over like the marine boat crap that happened a few years ago.
GrazerRinge
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
999 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 16:09:03
November 23 2010 16:03 GMT
#1332
How long is SK gonna let NK do that kinda shit?? When there is nothing left to blow up???
When SK becomes so poor as fuck like NK is now?

Srly, the politic of SK is just shitty as kespa...and i say it as legit Korean citizen...what makes me really sad...all these shits all the time and no solution although this issue is more then 3 6 decades old...

I mean about 9 years ago SK "bought" NK to sit on the table and have some "peace" talk what came out as the biggest bullshit what could ever happen.

SK has developed quite well in economical way. but since there were no master plan at all and all these happened in so short time, there is no clear structure there especially politics.

+ Show Spoiler +
If you mods are gonna warn or ban me, go ahead, but i doubt there is no other way to describe the current situation then this way...really, when you research the recent history between SK and NK, you wont believe what kinda retarded shit has been going on. Just unbelievable
"Successful people don't talk much. They listen and take action."
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
November 23 2010 16:04 GMT
#1333
On November 24 2010 00:45 Mo0Rauder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 00:30 Taosu wrote:
On November 24 2010 00:28 Consolidate wrote:
The issue of right or wrong isn't in dispute. The consensus feeling among the civilized world is that continued existence of the state of North Korea is a crime against humanity.

If they had oil deposits there's no doubt they would receive their doze of Democracy long ago, like Iraq and Afghanistan did. But luckily for them the outcome of this operation won't cover the expenses of the civilized world.


The reason why N.K is allowed to exist is China. China gets a massive amount of its Coal and Silicon from North Korea, and when North Korea has this regime in power it is very easy for China to get those resources for its growing economy.

Think of Civilization, if you have played it. When a city-state has a resources you need say, aluminum(in this case silicon) you just toss them a bunch of shitty low tech units (in this case artillery) and some gold and they hand that silicon, I mean aluminum, right over on a silver platter.

Then comes the city-state alerts:

"North Korea has a dispute with South Korea and seeks immediate Military action!"-"North Korea has a dispute with South Korea and seeks immediate Military action!"-"North Korea has a dispute with South Korea and seeks immediate Military action!"

China can ignore the messages for a long time, but after awhile China's will have to do something either giving N.Korea more gold and military units, or they will have to give in to the demand, or else they can't get that precious ALUMINUM mmm...

Unfortunately this is the real-world and not Civ(in Civ city-states don't attack one-another. In the real world fucked up regimes do what they want until the rest of the world stops them).

This factor along with the free-world governments having terrible economic macro and not being able stabilize the financial issues quickly enough could lead to a very horrible situation in the Korean peninsula.

My heart definitely goes out to anyone in or with loved ones in this ongoing crisis.
<3


Do you have a source for outline-ing China and NK's trade agreements? I've had difficulty finding reliable information.
Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 16:09:21
November 23 2010 16:05 GMT
#1334
Hopefully they do the correct thing and move to further sanction the shit out of the country.

I guess we all know what that military parade was about.

+ Show Spoiler +
Also, lol college kids. "Fuck you Dear Leader, I only had one page to go in my paper about relations between North and South Korea and now I have to rewrite the whole thing. "

To be fair I felt the same way when this happened the week my US/Israel relations paper was due.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
November 23 2010 16:06 GMT
#1335
On November 23 2010 23:36 kamikami wrote:
At this rate NK will win in the long term, just like North VietNam in the past. Just defend and don't attack is not the way you win control over anything. South Vietnam fell because of that, and so will South Korea.

What the hell are you talking about. NK and SK now are very difference from what N.VN and S.VN 40 years ago. Try to learn your facts first before posting something like this, since I will not derail this thread and argue with you on this matter.
Terran
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
November 23 2010 16:08 GMT
#1336
On November 24 2010 01:03 GrazerRinge wrote:
How long is SK gonna let NK do that kinda shit?? When there is nothing left to blow??? When SK becomes so poor as fuck like NK is?

Srly, the politic of SK is just shitty as kespa...and i say it as legit Korean citizen...what makes me really sad...

I mean SK "bought" NK to sit on the table and have some "peace" talk what came out as the biggest bullshit could ever happend. SK has developed quite well in economical way. but since there were no master plan at all and all these happened in so short time, its now just bunch of bricks which begins to fall apart.

If you mods are gonna warn or ban me, go ahead, but i doubt there is no other way to describe the current situation then this way.

Martyrdom is a sad way to express your opinion. But I doubt there will be war to be honest. There will only be a war only if North Korea sends their army across the DMZ.
Taosu
Profile Joined August 2010
Ukraine1074 Posts
November 23 2010 16:09 GMT
#1337
On November 24 2010 01:03 GrazerRinge wrote:
How long is SK gonna let NK do that kinda shit?? When there is nothing left to blow??? When SK becomes so poor as fuck like NK is?

Srly, the politic of SK is just shitty as kespa...and i say it as legit Korean citizen...what makes me really sad...

I mean SK "bought" NK to sit on the table and have some "peace" talk what came out as the biggest bullshit could ever happend. SK has developed quite well in economical way. but since there were no master plan at all and all these happened in so short time, its now just bunch of bricks which begins to fall apart.

If you mods are gonna warn or ban me, go ahead, but i doubt there is no other way to describe the current situation then this way.

Do you believe in the possibility of Koreas' unification?
Also fan of Hyuk, Pure, free, Action, Stats, Leta, Horang2, Snow, Flying, Shuttle, Movie, Paralyze
mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
November 23 2010 16:10 GMT
#1338
On November 24 2010 01:04 Consolidate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 00:45 Mo0Rauder wrote:
On November 24 2010 00:30 Taosu wrote:
On November 24 2010 00:28 Consolidate wrote:
The issue of right or wrong isn't in dispute. The consensus feeling among the civilized world is that continued existence of the state of North Korea is a crime against humanity.

If they had oil deposits there's no doubt they would receive their doze of Democracy long ago, like Iraq and Afghanistan did. But luckily for them the outcome of this operation won't cover the expenses of the civilized world.


The reason why N.K is allowed to exist is China. China gets a massive amount of its Coal and Silicon from North Korea, and when North Korea has this regime in power it is very easy for China to get those resources for its growing economy.

Think of Civilization, if you have played it. When a city-state has a resources you need say, aluminum(in this case silicon) you just toss them a bunch of shitty low tech units (in this case artillery) and some gold and they hand that silicon, I mean aluminum, right over on a silver platter.

Then comes the city-state alerts:

"North Korea has a dispute with South Korea and seeks immediate Military action!"-"North Korea has a dispute with South Korea and seeks immediate Military action!"-"North Korea has a dispute with South Korea and seeks immediate Military action!"

China can ignore the messages for a long time, but after awhile China's will have to do something either giving N.Korea more gold and military units, or they will have to give in to the demand, or else they can't get that precious ALUMINUM mmm...

Unfortunately this is the real-world and not Civ(in Civ city-states don't attack one-another. In the real world fucked up regimes do what they want until the rest of the world stops them).

This factor along with the free-world governments having terrible economic macro and not being able stabilize the financial issues quickly enough could lead to a very horrible situation in the Korean peninsula.

My heart definitely goes out to anyone in or with loved ones in this ongoing crisis.
<3


Do you have a source for outline-ing China and NK's trade agreements? I've had difficulty finding reliable information.


I hope he didn't get that from Civilization, cause that's the only thing he mentioned in there.
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
November 23 2010 16:11 GMT
#1339
On November 24 2010 01:00 Cedwyn wrote:
It seems illogical for the US to support SKR offensively in this conflict because they have nothing to gain. Plus I am sure most of the US civilians would concur that sending troops to an ally when they just got them from the East would be a strain on their country.

However other countries may lend a hand - probably not on the level of say the problems in the middle east, but more of a defensive aid to SKR (including the US in this case). I am sure SKR can handle their own given their radical growth over NKR.

But we all know this will blow over like the marine boat crap that happened a few years ago.


Hard to say how well South Korea would fair in a war against North Korea. While SK's military has a significant technological edge, manpower-wise, NK's military outnumbers them roughly 4 to 1. Given the obvious proximity between the two nations, a DPRK invasion would be a significant cause for concern.
Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 23 2010 16:14 GMT
#1340
On November 24 2010 01:11 Consolidate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 01:00 Cedwyn wrote:
It seems illogical for the US to support SKR offensively in this conflict because they have nothing to gain. Plus I am sure most of the US civilians would concur that sending troops to an ally when they just got them from the East would be a strain on their country.

However other countries may lend a hand - probably not on the level of say the problems in the middle east, but more of a defensive aid to SKR (including the US in this case). I am sure SKR can handle their own given their radical growth over NKR.

But we all know this will blow over like the marine boat crap that happened a few years ago.


Hard to say how well South Korea would fair in a war against North Korea. While SK's military has a significant technological edge, manpower-wise, NK's military outnumbers them roughly 4 to 1. Given the obvious proximity between the two nations, a DPRK invasion would be a significant cause for concern.


South Korea would butcher North Korea's military if North Korea attacked. The terrain heavily favors defense. Just look at how many North Koreans/Chinese that the US killed during the Korean War. The real concern would be North Korea bombarding Seoul out of spite.
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