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TheAngelofDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2033 Posts
November 23 2010 15:12 GMT
#1281
So um....without sounding like a complete idiot, is it possible for war to break out over this incident if NK and SK continue the artillery attacks? 0_o
"Infestors are the suck" - LzGamer
Crackensan
Profile Joined August 2010
United States479 Posts
November 23 2010 15:13 GMT
#1282
On November 24 2010 00:12 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
So um....without sounding like a complete idiot, is it possible for war to break out over this incident if NK and SK continue the artillery attacks? 0_o


Yes.
Tasteless: "Well this strategy is made of balls"--Concerning Fruitdealer Vs. BoXeR
Taosu
Profile Joined August 2010
Ukraine1074 Posts
November 23 2010 15:14 GMT
#1283
On November 24 2010 00:12 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
So um....without sounding like a complete idiot, is it possible for war to break out over this incident if NK and SK continue the artillery attacks? 0_o

I think no. Nobody wants the war. NK will receive the donations they ask for and the situation will get calm for some time.
Also fan of Hyuk, Pure, free, Action, Stats, Leta, Horang2, Snow, Flying, Shuttle, Movie, Paralyze
oRacLeGosu
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway151 Posts
November 23 2010 15:14 GMT
#1284
This is NKR trying to get the US back on the six party talk's, and showing their total unpredictability, and thereby trying to force the world to give them(the leadership) money. There is no reasoning with NKR. They need a regime change, but the change wil most probably involve a nuclear bomb, or two.. and that is not acceptable.
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bjwithbraces
Profile Joined April 2010
United States549 Posts
November 23 2010 15:15 GMT
#1285
It will be interesting to see where this goes. The U.S. has withdrawn its nukes from there, but if South Korea asks for them kinda puts the U.S. between a rock and a hard spot, as they're trying to get rid of nukes yet they can't turn down an ally facing an escalating situation with a country with nuclear weapons.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
November 23 2010 15:15 GMT
#1286
On November 24 2010 00:12 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
So um....without sounding like a complete idiot, is it possible for war to break out over this incident if NK and SK continue the artillery attacks? 0_o


It can but i highly doubt it.

It will cost too much to go war with NK.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Crackensan
Profile Joined August 2010
United States479 Posts
November 23 2010 15:16 GMT
#1287
On November 24 2010 00:14 Taosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 00:12 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
So um....without sounding like a complete idiot, is it possible for war to break out over this incident if NK and SK continue the artillery attacks? 0_o

I think no. Nobody wants the war. NK will receive the donations they ask for and the situation will get calm for some time.


The isolationist regime, which has shown in the past it will not negotiate, may continue to press this as once again ignighting the flames of war. Whether South Korea wants to get into a war is no longer a consideration. Unless North Korea can show restrain, which it has proven it cannot, then South Korea unfortunatley will be once again plunged into armed conflict.
Tasteless: "Well this strategy is made of balls"--Concerning Fruitdealer Vs. BoXeR
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19053 Posts
November 23 2010 15:18 GMT
#1288
On November 24 2010 00:12 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
So um....without sounding like a complete idiot, is it possible for war to break out over this incident if NK and SK continue the artillery attacks? 0_o

The US and EU back SK, China backs DPRK. If SK and DPRK start a war, their respective allies will help out. WWI started in a similar way (Austria vs Serbia). There is a chance this could lead to WW3, but I believe it to be very small.

Hopefully this will get resolved without more violence.
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Taosu
Profile Joined August 2010
Ukraine1074 Posts
November 23 2010 15:20 GMT
#1289
On November 24 2010 00:16 Crackensan wrote:
The isolationist regime, which has shown in the past it will not negotiate, may continue to press this as once again ignighting the flames of war. Whether South Korea wants to get into a war is no longer a consideration. Unless North Korea can show restrain, which it has proven it cannot, then South Korea unfortunatley will be once again plunged into armed conflict.

In any variant there's no acceptable outcome. If the war breaks out NK cannot possibly win it. But on the other hand SK cannot possibly survive it. So all parties including China and NK themselves don't see any other way than just to preserve the status quo.
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supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
November 23 2010 15:20 GMT
#1290
On November 24 2010 00:18 tofucake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 00:12 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
So um....without sounding like a complete idiot, is it possible for war to break out over this incident if NK and SK continue the artillery attacks? 0_o

The US and EU back SK, China backs DPRK. If SK and DPRK start a war, their respective allies will help out. WWI started in a similar way (Austria vs Serbia). There is a chance this could lead to WW3, but I believe it to be very small.

Hopefully this will get resolved without more violence.


You can't bet on that yet. Although highly likely, they did state that they are looking into what actually happened.
ppp
Runsta
Profile Joined March 2008
United States161 Posts
November 23 2010 15:20 GMT
#1291
On November 24 2010 00:12 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
So um....without sounding like a complete idiot, is it possible for war to break out over this incident if NK and SK continue the artillery attacks? 0_o


Possible? Yes. Likely? That depends on how much military escalation happens and what rhetoric is used over the next 24 hours. I'd Guarantee that we are in negotiations with China as we speak over invading North Korea, if for nothing else but for the possibility that all hell breaks loose.
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
November 23 2010 15:20 GMT
#1292
On November 24 2010 00:09 mmdmmd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 23:44 kamikami wrote:
On November 23 2010 23:39 mmdmmd wrote:
1419: The New York Times reports that the South Korean Deputy Minister of Defence, Lee Yong-geul, has now acknowledged that artillery units were firing test shots on Tuesday afternoon close to the North Korean coast, from a battery on the South Korean island of Paeknyeongdo. But he denied that the shots crossed the disputed maritime border with North Korea.


Here is the important line.
"But he denied that the shots crossed the disputed maritime border with North Korea."

But I am sure NK see that location as their own land.

As someone mentioned earlier. Both side are lying


So when your neighbor shoots into the tree between your house and his house you should response by shooting directly into the room of his kids ?


The problem is,
you think: I am shooting at my tree.
they think: They are shooting my tree.


That is not qualified for shooting at anyone's kids. Why not shooting at the tree too ?

Seriously, they shot at a village, a civilian target. That's what make them wrong, there is no counter argument for that.
Khassar de Templari
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
November 23 2010 15:20 GMT
#1293
On November 24 2010 00:14 oRacLeGosu wrote:
This is NKR trying to get the US back on the six party talk's, and showing their total unpredictability, and thereby trying to force the world to give them(the leadership) money. There is no reasoning with NKR. They need a regime change, but the change wil most probably involve a nuclear bomb, or two.. and that is not acceptable.


A regime change is unlikely given the current state of affairs. North Korea is a virtual 1984-type authoritarian state. In their case however, the implicit weaknesses and unsustainability having such a system of government which would normally kill a regime are negated by the fact that North Korea has access to outside aid.
Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
Crackensan
Profile Joined August 2010
United States479 Posts
November 23 2010 15:21 GMT
#1294
I sincerly hope it does not come to an invasion of North Korea.

My heart will break because of it.

However, if that is the only course of action, due to the logic of the lesser of the two evils, then so be it.
Tasteless: "Well this strategy is made of balls"--Concerning Fruitdealer Vs. BoXeR
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 15:23:52
November 23 2010 15:23 GMT
#1295
On November 24 2010 00:18 tofucake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 00:12 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
So um....without sounding like a complete idiot, is it possible for war to break out over this incident if NK and SK continue the artillery attacks? 0_o

The US and EU back SK, China backs DPRK. If SK and DPRK start a war, their respective allies will help out. WWI started in a similar way (Austria vs Serbia). There is a chance this could lead to WW3, but I believe it to be very small.

Hopefully this will get resolved without more violence.


I Doubt China won't back N-Korea if the war starts. Atleast not militarily(troops etc.). Would cause too much problems between Eu and US etc. But they won't 'let' Sk and the allies attack NK without some kind of actions.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Consolidate
Profile Joined February 2010
United States829 Posts
November 23 2010 15:23 GMT
#1296
On November 24 2010 00:18 tofucake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 00:12 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
So um....without sounding like a complete idiot, is it possible for war to break out over this incident if NK and SK continue the artillery attacks? 0_o

The US and EU back SK, China backs DPRK. If SK and DPRK start a war, their respective allies will help out. WWI started in a similar way (Austria vs Serbia). There is a chance this could lead to WW3, but I believe it to be very small.

Hopefully this will get resolved without more violence.


The EU has pretty much no say in the matter. They have neither regional interests at stake nor military forces in the area. Let alone the fact that the EU's global influence has been steadily declining in general.
Creature posessed the the spirit of inquiry and bloodlust - Adventure Time
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4199 Posts
November 23 2010 15:24 GMT
#1297
To those who thinks that NK has nukes and are scared that they'd use them - I'd be more scared if NK decided to use incendiary or chemical weapons than any nukes they have..... NK has the 3rd largest stockpile of chemical weapons iirc, and incendiary explosives would be absolutely devastating in any urban environment..... Plus, they've gotta be easier to deploy.
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Teras
Profile Joined August 2010
Great Britain103 Posts
November 23 2010 15:26 GMT
#1298
On November 24 2010 00:18 tofucake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2010 00:12 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
So um....without sounding like a complete idiot, is it possible for war to break out over this incident if NK and SK continue the artillery attacks? 0_o

The US and EU back SK, China backs DPRK. If SK and DPRK start a war, their respective allies will help out. WWI started in a similar way (Austria vs Serbia). There is a chance this could lead to WW3, but I believe it to be very small.

Hopefully this will get resolved without more violence.



The EU isn't a singular military entity, it will be individual member states that would decide to go to war with N Korea if it does occur (I highly doubt this).

Don't view it as EU and US but more as NATO :>
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supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
November 23 2010 15:27 GMT
#1299
On November 24 2010 00:24 Impervious wrote:
To those who thinks that NK has nukes and are scared that they'd use them - I'd be more scared if NK decided to use incendiary or chemical weapons than any nukes they have..... NK has the 3rd largest stockpile of chemical weapons iirc, and incendiary explosives would be absolutely devastating in any urban environment..... Plus, they've gotta be easier to deploy.

Basically, North Korea is an explosive that's ready to explode anyday. Time goes by, and the explosion will get bigger. However, if we try to diffuse it right now, hell will break out.
ppp
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
November 23 2010 15:27 GMT
#1300
SK holding a military maneuver within visual range to NK wasn't the smartest thing to do if the neighbor is erratic and quick to anger. They gave the North an "excuse" to open fire. NK's reaction was certainly disproportionate, but to say it was completely unprovoked would be incorrect.
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