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UisTehSux
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States693 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 13:31:55
November 27 2010 13:30 GMT
#2241
Saw this on CNN front page this morning:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/27/koreas.crisis/index.html?hpt=T1

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Seoul, South Korea (CNN) -- Veterans of the South Korean military protested on the streets of the nation's capital Saturday, stating they were angry that their country's government had not done enough to respond to recent shelling by North Korea.
One group of protesters gathered near the defense ministry building Saturday. The crowd clashed with police officers, some charging and kicking officers.
The protests come as tensions between the Koreas are growing. On Tuesday, North Korea shelled South Korea's
Yeonpyeong Island, killing four South Koreans -- including two civilians -- and wounding 15 others.
North Korea said the South provoked the attack because shells from a South Korean military drill landed in the North's waters. South Korea was holding its annual Hoguk military drill when the North started its shelling.

On Saturday, North Korea's official Korean Central News Agency called reports of civilian casualties part of South Korea's "propaganda campaign."
"If that is true, it is very regrettable, but the enemy should be held responsible for the incident as it took such inhuman action as creating 'a human shield' by deploying civilians around artillery positions and inside military facilities before the launch of the provocation," the KCNA statement said.

Two South Korean marines were also killed in the shelling. On Saturday, hundreds of mourners attended their funeral, weeping before photos of the two men set among an array of flowers.
Meanwhile, the U.S. aircraft carrier George Washington is set to join South Korea's forces near the coasts of China and North Korea in a four-day military drill that starts Sunday.

Cmdr. Jeff Davis, public affairs officer for the U.S. 7th Fleet, told CNN Saturday that the military drills will begin around noon Sunday.
There will be no live firing element in the drills; live firing exercises can only take place in a designated training range or in a closed-off area at sea, Davis said, and such firing exercises are not possible given the amount of traffic in the area.
The drills will include anti-air attack and anti-surface-attack exercises, communications and data drills, expert exchanges, logistical support, and replenishment drills. For example, a Korean oil tanker will refuel a U.S. ship, Davis said.

On Friday, China appeared to criticize the U.S.-South Korean military exercise.
"We oppose any party to take any military acts in our exclusive economic zone without permission," Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said in a statement, according to the state-run Xinhua News Agency.

Xinhua quoted Chinese scholars who also criticized the planned drill by U.S. and South Korean (Republic of Korea) forces.

"The United States and ROK should not take sensitive and provocative military actions at such a sensitive time and place," said Maj. Gen. General Luo Yuan, a researcher with the Chinese People's Liberation Army's Military Science Academy.
He likened the planned exercise to "pouring oil onto flames."
But China, North Korea's largest trading partner, also called for an easing of tensions. "As the Korean Peninsula situation is highly complicated and sensitive, all parties concerned should stay calm and exercise restraint," Hong said.
The United States has described the drill as defensive in nature. The exercises were planned months ago, and are meant to underscore strong ties between South Korea and the United States, defense officials from both countries have said.

On Friday, South Korea named a new defense minister to replace the official who resigned Thursday amid criticism due to North Korea's sinking of a South Korean warship in March and Tuesday's deadly shelling.
North Korea has denied involvement in the sinking.
South Korea's government nominated Kim Kwan-jin as defense minister, a Blue House media official told CNN.

South Korean President Lee Myung-bak drew criticism for his initial statements after the Yeonpyeong bombardment, when he asked for a stern response but also called for de-escalatory measures to be taken. Later that day, Lee spoke to the military and urged heavy retaliation.

The Yeonpyeong attack was the first direct artillery assault on South Korea since 1953, when an armistice ended fighting, though both Koreas are still technically at war.


Highlights:

- North Korea calls reports of civilian casualties "propaganda".
- Funeral held for two South Korean marines.
- Demonstrators are seen charging and kicking police.
- The U.S.-South Korea drills will take place after North Korea shelled a South Korean island.

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Tension is rising it seems. :[
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Rodiel
Profile Joined August 2006
France573 Posts
November 27 2010 13:39 GMT
#2242
I just have a question because i know north korea and south korea got a long long time of "micro" war after the "real" one
During this micro war did north korea have kill south people like they do this year ? Because this year they have made 2 real attack
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
November 27 2010 13:50 GMT
#2243
On November 27 2010 22:39 Rodiel wrote:
I just have a question because i know north korea and south korea got a long long time of "micro" war after the "real" one
During this micro war did north korea have kill south people like they do this year ? Because this year they have made 2 real attack


Killing or not, this is not the "first" time something has happened between South and North Korea.

"1. Tried to assassinate Park, South Korean president, by sending special agents across the border. It came quite close to the presidential building but foiled.

2. Ordered a Japanese Korean to assasinate Park again. He failed but killed Park's wife.

3. Killed American soldier around the DMZ area with an ax. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe_murder_incident)

4. Tried to assasinate Chun, another South Korean president, when he was on trip to Burma. Failed to kill the president but succeeded in killing about 20 high government offcials.

5. Engaged in 3 naval battles in the last 15 years.

6. Sent 160 special agents in 1968 and 26 agents in 1996, causing fire fight.

7. Killed a South Korean civilian, in its "special" tourist area.

8. Tested a nuclear weapon. "


Thanks to someone who posted it earlier in this thread.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Starfox
Profile Joined April 2010
Austria699 Posts
November 27 2010 13:51 GMT
#2244
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/expats-recalled-as-north-korea-prepares-for-war-2145018.html

Vladnews agency, based in Vladivostok, reported that North Korean workers had left the town of Nakhodka en masse shortly after the escalation of tension on the Korean peninsula earlier this week. "Traders have left the kiosks and markets, workers have abandoned building sites, and North Korean secret service employees working in the region have joined them and left," the agency reported.
Greek Mythology 2.0: Imagine Sisyphos as a man who wants to watch all videos on youtube... and Tityos as one who HAS to watch all of them.
tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
November 27 2010 14:03 GMT
#2245
uhm that is actually scary :C
It does not need to be fun to be fun.
TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
November 27 2010 14:04 GMT
#2246
On November 27 2010 22:51 Starfox wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/expats-recalled-as-north-korea-prepares-for-war-2145018.html

Vladnews agency, based in Vladivostok, reported that North Korean workers had left the town of Nakhodka en masse shortly after the escalation of tension on the Korean peninsula earlier this week. "Traders have left the kiosks and markets, workers have abandoned building sites, and North Korean secret service employees working in the region have joined them and left," the agency reported.


Just saw that on another site. Doesn't look to good. :/
Rodiel
Profile Joined August 2006
France573 Posts
November 27 2010 14:07 GMT
#2247
On November 27 2010 22:50 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 22:39 Rodiel wrote:
I just have a question because i know north korea and south korea got a long long time of "micro" war after the "real" one
During this micro war did north korea have kill south people like they do this year ? Because this year they have made 2 real attack


Killing or not, this is not the "first" time something has happened between South and North Korea.

Show nested quote +
"1. Tried to assassinate Park, South Korean president, by sending special agents across the border. It came quite close to the presidential building but foiled.

2. Ordered a Japanese Korean to assasinate Park again. He failed but killed Park's wife.

3. Killed American soldier around the DMZ area with an ax. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe_murder_incident)

4. Tried to assasinate Chun, another South Korean president, when he was on trip to Burma. Failed to kill the president but succeeded in killing about 20 high government offcials.

5. Engaged in 3 naval battles in the last 15 years.

6. Sent 160 special agents in 1968 and 26 agents in 1996, causing fire fight.

7. Killed a South Korean civilian, in its "special" tourist area.

8. Tested a nuclear weapon. "


Thanks to someone who posted it earlier in this thread.


Ok, so this attack and the submarine are clearly huge i think
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3006 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 14:16:46
November 27 2010 14:13 GMT
#2248
On November 27 2010 23:07 Rodiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 22:50 Grettin wrote:
On November 27 2010 22:39 Rodiel wrote:
I just have a question because i know north korea and south korea got a long long time of "micro" war after the "real" one
During this micro war did north korea have kill south people like they do this year ? Because this year they have made 2 real attack


Killing or not, this is not the "first" time something has happened between South and North Korea.

"1. Tried to assassinate Park, South Korean president, by sending special agents across the border. It came quite close to the presidential building but foiled.

2. Ordered a Japanese Korean to assasinate Park again. He failed but killed Park's wife.

3. Killed American soldier around the DMZ area with an ax. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe_murder_incident)

4. Tried to assasinate Chun, another South Korean president, when he was on trip to Burma. Failed to kill the president but succeeded in killing about 20 high government offcials.

5. Engaged in 3 naval battles in the last 15 years.

6. Sent 160 special agents in 1968 and 26 agents in 1996, causing fire fight.

7. Killed a South Korean civilian, in its "special" tourist area.

8. Tested a nuclear weapon. "


Thanks to someone who posted it earlier in this thread.


Ok, so this attack and the submarine are clearly huge i think


Yes, also North Korean provacation/ assault on South Korea have been more frequent and more globally "attention catching'
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
bobcat
Profile Joined May 2010
United States488 Posts
November 27 2010 14:17 GMT
#2249
On November 23 2010 15:58 Skillz_Man wrote:
I'm not really sure what the situation is between NK and SK....



They had this litte war thing going on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Korean_War

you should check it out.
"I just want to see bobcat wrist deep in someone's mother's anus" 165 votes
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
November 27 2010 14:39 GMT
#2250
On November 27 2010 17:25 ComusLoM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 17:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
A bit OT but can someone tell me why the pallbearers are wearing masks?

[image loading]

I'm pretty sure the white masks are out of respect for the dead. Although I'd also like to know more.


its cos its cold really.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
November 27 2010 15:45 GMT
#2251
Apparently NK recalled 20k expats from Russia.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/expats-recalled-as-north-korea-prepares-for-war-2145018.html
twitch.tv/cratonz
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
November 27 2010 15:50 GMT
#2252
On November 28 2010 00:45 Craton wrote:
Apparently NK recalled 20k expats from Russia.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/expats-recalled-as-north-korea-prepares-for-war-2145018.html


Well, something is going to happen. I doubt they would recall those people back to hell hole without any "reason". Either they REALLY think Us/sk is going to do something which would start a war or they have their own plans..

Scary times nonetheless.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 16:01:59
November 27 2010 15:52 GMT
#2253
I do not think that there is a single significant party here that actually wants war.

NK: A slow escalation like this is not in their favour. The only strategic chance they have is some kind of surprise, lightning strike that takes advantage of their ground force superiority (and possible chemical WMD), captures key targets, and digs in before the US + allies can organize and respond. This would force the US + allies to commit to an urban + guerilla action on a larger scale than Afghanistan or Iraq. Any other option would be committing suicide (though most likely taking SK with them).

SK populace: I think the populace is largely pacifist in nature, despite these recent protests... no one wants war after decades of being a starving wasteland thanks to it. Metaphorically, it'd be a voluntary return to the stone age.

US + SK + friends: It's bascially a hostage situation. Any move on their part would basically condemn SK to economic ruin, which nobody wants.

China: I think this is a very distasteful situation. It's much like the relationship between US + Israel. For better of for worse, they have to put up appearances and back up their "ally", because after all they're responsible for creating it. I think it should be a source of national shame. The US backed SK, and now it's a modern, economically strong nation. China backed NK, and now it's a backwards shithole with a starving population and a lunatic dictator that could turn on its benefactor in a second. Go Communism! In any case, I think there is no chance of armed conflict between US and China. They're too much economic bedfellows, and too mired in the capitalist game to risk any chance of losing it all.

I think the conjecture about instability in NK's leadership and kim jong un's succession have some weight. This as well as the standard modus operandi of seeking aid and food bribes to stop its saber-rattling
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 18:22:17
November 27 2010 18:21 GMT
#2254
A little article how NK prevents airforce people defecting.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20101124.aspx

To avoid that possibility, North Korea warplanes are supplied with minimal fuel for training flights, and their ejection seats are disabled in peacetime.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Blanke
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada180 Posts
November 27 2010 18:21 GMT
#2255
Tomorrow. I think tomorrow is going to be the climax of this ongoing conflict. Either NK opens fire at the sight of joint US-SK military drills, or drops the charade and backs down.
We avoid risks in life to arrive safely at death.
Shigy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States346 Posts
November 27 2010 18:24 GMT
#2256
On November 27 2010 23:07 Rodiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2010 22:50 Grettin wrote:
On November 27 2010 22:39 Rodiel wrote:
I just have a question because i know north korea and south korea got a long long time of "micro" war after the "real" one
During this micro war did north korea have kill south people like they do this year ? Because this year they have made 2 real attack


Killing or not, this is not the "first" time something has happened between South and North Korea.

"1. Tried to assassinate Park, South Korean president, by sending special agents across the border. It came quite close to the presidential building but foiled.

2. Ordered a Japanese Korean to assasinate Park again. He failed but killed Park's wife.

3. Killed American soldier around the DMZ area with an ax. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe_murder_incident)

4. Tried to assasinate Chun, another South Korean president, when he was on trip to Burma. Failed to kill the president but succeeded in killing about 20 high government offcials.

5. Engaged in 3 naval battles in the last 15 years.

6. Sent 160 special agents in 1968 and 26 agents in 1996, causing fire fight.

7. Killed a South Korean civilian, in its "special" tourist area.

8. Tested a nuclear weapon. "


Thanks to someone who posted it earlier in this thread.


Ok, so this attack and the submarine are clearly huge i think



no, the point that's being made is that NK has done shit like this over the years following the 1953 armistice agreement. in the late 60s, hundreds of koreans and even americans were killed along the DMZ in small skirmishes and invasions described above. iirc they captured an american vessel and shot down an aircraft in this time period as well.

they've used the UNMAC (UN military armistice committee) historically, to negotiate with the US and other belligerents of the korean war into conceding relief and aid to the starving NK in exchange for non aggression,


we'll probably send a few bajillion tons of rice to them and call it a day
Blanke
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada180 Posts
November 27 2010 19:36 GMT
#2257
That Vladivostok story Starfox posted is the one crucial detail separating this encounter from the innumerable ones prior to it, most of which did in fact end with a few bajillion tons of rice being delivered.

We avoid risks in life to arrive safely at death.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 27 2010 19:44 GMT
#2258
Well, here it is. We're 7 hours from the exercises and today's the day we find out if I have to leave korea or not.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Coraz
Profile Joined May 2010
United States252 Posts
November 27 2010 19:49 GMT
#2259
South Korea fired into contested territory with North Korea warning them not to do so

USA has to provocateur wars to make excuses to bring aircraft carriers into the region that can launch onto mainland China

This is a response to the Chinese sub that fired an intercontinental ballistic missile off the coast of California 30 miles from San Diego

that's my take on it
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night terrors
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
China1284 Posts
November 27 2010 20:00 GMT
#2260
God damn.

This could end terribly.
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