EPTWhy would you want a war that can only end in mutual destruction for both Koreas?
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Blanke
Canada180 Posts
Why would you want a war that can only end in mutual destruction for both Koreas? | ||
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mahkan
United States153 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On November 27 2010 11:40 hirschigrad06 wrote: Hopefully nothing too bad happens. Hopefully nothing happens at all. I would hate to see some sort of war happening. Especially with everyone that I know in South Korea... | ||
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Norada
China482 Posts
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On November 27 2010 11:53 Norada wrote: the news here in guangzhou,china said that south korea admitted to attacking first. obviously that's a lie but the reasoning for saying this could be explained with later actions by china. What the fuck lol? | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On November 27 2010 11:19 Blanke wrote: A disturbing video I found of South Koreans looking rather intent on annihlating North Korea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQdjoF7opsg Why would you want a war that can only end in mutual destruction for both Koreas? Mutual destruction? Hardly. Completely understandable for a segment of South Koreans to want war, decades of North Korean aggression and taunting and blatant attacks against SK civilians, military personnel, etc. War should always be a last resort, but in the case of North Korea I can't fault some people for desiring an end to decades of this sort of behavior. | ||
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ReDeSCh
United States37 Posts
and the war will happen in korean soil... and with nk not afraid to throw nukes everywhere.. it could completely obliterate the korean peninsula.. its small as it is... and small groups of communistic backstabbing groups can occur... as major korean corps (such as samsung) gain so much power and divide the lower and the upper class further and further.... it is a century old disagreement between two ideas... who is to say that one is right over the other? i believe two ideas can co-exist.. just not with crazy ass leaders such as kim jung-il blaming shit on sk. i've always wanted the north and the south to be united.. just never with a war.. cuz with a war. it only gives birth to another disagreement... more hate. | ||
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Craton
United States17274 Posts
On November 27 2010 08:54 Grettin wrote: Actually i would like to see some kind of source of that where it is actually proven so. Haven't seen one. (And yes, i saw the MBC news one, but it really can't prove anything at this point) Last time it was pretty "clear" that it exploded wrongly if it would have been a torpedo. And like a pages back someone posted, there was a Russian scientist who found leads that it wasn't a torpedo attack. http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/cheonan-destroyed-north-korean-torpedoes http://english.ruvr.ru/2010/05/18/8020517.html http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6460FC20100507 I shouldn't have to Google for you ._. | ||
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All.In
United States214 Posts
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Duban
United States548 Posts
On November 27 2010 12:30 ReDeSCh wrote: its a tough situation... if a war was to occur, it will most likely be china/nk/russia(maybe?) vs. us/sk/jp... and the war will happen in korean soil... and with nk not afraid to throw nukes everywhere.. Nothing personal but all of that is rather misinformed. Russia is with the rest of the world on that matter and while China is split even they've been forced to step back from some of NK's actions. They probably won't enjoy a NATO occupied state on their border but they won't get involved. Basically it would be everyone in the world except china vs NK. When it comes to nukes NK only has nukes in the technical sense. They have nukes in the same sense that i have a 20 ton bolder in my backyard i could use to crush you and your house. Technically it's true, but i have no way of picking up that bolder and crushing your house with it. Similarly N Korea has no platform by which they can deploy them. They would have to drive it in with a truck and hope it doesn't get blown up or stopped. Even then we're talking about nukes with half the yield of the hiroshima/nagasaki weapons and 1/100th that of a modern thermonuclear weapon. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On November 27 2010 12:46 Odyssey.561 wrote: redesch you couldn't be more wrong if you tryed. China isn't going to back NK or Russia either. If U.S. goes to war with NK it will be from them attacking our troops. Also China owns half of our economy almost there not going to go to war with us over NK. If a war happens US will bomb NK for a couple days if NK uses nukes the rest of the world will join in on the beat down. The only thing NK has going is US wants to minimize collateral damage in SK. Either way all i'm saying is china wont back NK garunteed and Russia could care less either way. Russia will join with who they think will win if WW3 ever happened. Much like the French in every war. The NK leaders need to be removed though there phycotic. Finland and Sweden wont, well perhaps humanitarian help after war is over. | ||
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Blanke
Canada180 Posts
- The US and SK forces plan to practice some military drills this weekend. What purpose do military drills have aside from prepping you for war? -However, the US will not initiate first strike on NK for fear of retaliation from China, whether it be in militaristic or economic form. - That being said, China wants to defuse the situation and intensely disapproves of these scheduled drills this weekend, and would like nothing more than to see the USS Washington bugger off immediately. - Knowing the US military though, getting stuff done means never backing down, regardless of the outcome. To step down at this stage would publicly admit to the humilation of being lesser than China, no matter how they may try to cover it up. It seems like a total clusterfuck of finger-pointing that will require much time to sort out, time that the Korean Peninsula probably can't afford. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On November 27 2010 12:46 Odyssey.561 wrote: redesch you couldn't be more wrong if you tryed. China isn't going to back NK or Russia either. If U.S. goes to war with NK it will be from them attacking our troops. Also China owns half of our economy almost there not going to go to war with us over NK. If a war happens US will bomb NK for a couple days if NK uses nukes the rest of the world will join in on the beat down. The only thing NK has going is US wants to minimize collateral damage in SK. Either way all i'm saying is china wont back NK garunteed and Russia could care less either way. Russia will join with who they think will win if WW3 ever happened. Much like the French in every war. The NK leaders need to be removed though there phycotic. Sorry but read head article on CNN tonight . http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/26/koreas.crisis/index.html?hpt=T1 China pissed off about Us - South Korean Exersize Near North Korea. World war 3 China, North Korea, Iran, Lebananon, Pakistan etc. Vs US and allies (Russia will side with US we are now their allies trust me Russia is in bed with the US now) | ||
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Duban
United States548 Posts
Sorry but read head article on CNN tonight . http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/26/koreas.crisis/index.html?hpt=T1 China pissed off about Us - South Korean Exersize Near North Korea. World war 3 China, North Korea, Iran, Lebananon, Pakistan etc. Vs US and allies (Russia will side with US we are now their allies trust me Russia is in bed with the US now) And? China doesn't like the plan, but that's a far cry from "china is going to war over this". Without the US china would collapse, and likewise for the US without China. After that Iran is a Shiite Muslim theocracy compared to atheist N Korea. They would rather side with a mostly Christian US than even consider helping N Korea. Not to mention most of Lebanon is very westernized and Pakistan is strongly allied with the US. | ||
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Elegy
United States1629 Posts
On November 27 2010 13:11 XRaDiiX wrote: Sorry but read head article on CNN tonight . http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/26/koreas.crisis/index.html?hpt=T1 China pissed off about Us - South Korean Exersize Near North Korea. World war 3 China, North Korea, Iran, Lebananon, Pakistan etc. Vs US and allies (Russia will side with US we are now their allies trust me Russia is in bed with the US now) Not even close, man. This sort of post is simply completely misinformed. Lebanon? Are you serious? Pakistan? Not even to mention the China + NK + Iran leap you make here... I suggest you do some research and maybe talk to a few people who are slightly more aware of international issues and alliances before making such claims again. On November 27 2010 12:57 Blanke wrote: I've been thinking about the big picture here, and some things just don't add up. Maybe someone can clarify this for me. Basically, this is how I see the situation: - The US and SK forces plan to practice some military drills this weekend. What purpose do military drills have aside from prepping you for war? -However, the US will not initiate first strike on NK for fear of retaliation from China, whether it be in militaristic or economic form. - That being said, China wants to defuse the situation and intensely disapproves of these scheduled drills this weekend, and would like nothing more than to see the USS Washington bugger off immediately. - Knowing the US military though, getting stuff done means never backing down, regardless of the outcome. To step down at this stage would publicly admit to the humilation of being lesser than China, no matter how they may try to cover it up. It seems like a total clusterfuck of finger-pointing that will require much time to sort out, time that the Korean Peninsula probably can't afford. Military drills are always occuring, it's what they do. The purpose of drills is for preparation in case of war, yes. You'll find the US runs drills and naval exercises all the time and therse are commonplace in the extreme. The US isn't going to not initiate conflict because of fear from China, it won't do it because of political fallout at home and abroad + the desire to avoid deaths resulting from a serious conflict with a nation that can level Seoul if it needed to. China's ""retaliation"" won't mean shit and you won't find a credible expert on foreign affairs saying that China would risk war over North Korea, not in today's world. 1950s was a completely different world in terms of power relationships and risk/reward for participating in armed conflict. On November 27 2010 12:30 ReDeSCh wrote: its a tough situation... if a war was to occur, it will most likely be china/nk/russia(maybe?) vs. us/sk/jp... and the war will happen in korean soil... and with nk not afraid to throw nukes everywhere.. it could completely obliterate the korean peninsula.. its small as it is... and small groups of communistic backstabbing groups can occur... as major korean corps (such as samsung) gain so much power and divide the lower and the upper class further and further.... it is a century old disagreement between two ideas... who is to say that one is right over the other? i believe two ideas can co-exist.. just not with crazy ass leaders such as kim jung-il blaming shit on sk. i've always wanted the north and the south to be united.. just never with a war.. cuz with a war. it only gives birth to another disagreement... more hate. And as others have said, this is so completely wrong that it pretty much defies common sense =P | ||
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Dr.Kill-Joy
United States627 Posts
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
On November 27 2010 13:20 Dr.Kill-Joy wrote: I could of sworn the Chinese is the peace maker right now. They will side with whoever is attacked first. Last time i read. Which I thought is holding this together of not starting a war. Another nonsense post in this thread. Dr. Kill-Joy even confuses the contraction "'ve" with the word "of." On topic, this crisis is pretty much over. Eventually North Korea will become an open, capitalist country and may even unify with South Korea. | ||
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Lowkin
Canada232 Posts
On November 27 2010 13:31 Zealotdriver wrote: Another nonsense post in this thread. Dr. Kill-Joy even confuses the contraction "'ve" with the word "of." On topic, this crisis is pretty much over. Eventually North Korea will become an open, capitalist country and may even unify with South Korea. Great that's good news to hear..... What exactly are you basing this theory of yours on? | ||
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Dr.Kill-Joy
United States627 Posts
Like i said Chinese is the determining factor if there will ever be another war. Edit: If you don't think so go look at what the Chinese exports to each country that will be involved with this. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On November 27 2010 13:20 Elegy wrote: Not even close, man. This sort of post is simply completely misinformed. Lebanon? Are you serious? Pakistan? Not even to mention the China + NK + Iran leap you make here... I suggest you do some research and maybe talk to a few people who are slightly more aware of international issues and alliances before making such claims again. Pakistan is not allied with The US u have serious issues India is now with the US didn't they just have that big trip to their with all the economic leaders corporations etc. BTW India pakistanis hate eachother. China hate Indians too. They have disputes about the border lines all the time BTW don't come to criticize someone so harshly when you yourself have no clue to international alliances. North Korea is very interested in other countries that are enemies of the US because they need other countries to share tech/trade agreements with not just China. Obviously i'm being a little sarcastic about the middles eastern countries all allied with China but Its more likely for some of the ones i mentioned to ally with China because they are direct enemies of the US. Russia is leaning more toward being on the US side recently look it up Bud You are the misinformed one sorry but. Don't make substantial claims when you don't know yourself You do realise how angry China is at the US for the new arms Deal with Taiwan ( Territory China claims is theirs) Recently. | ||
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