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cromat
Profile Joined May 2010
Afghanistan100 Posts
November 27 2010 20:01 GMT
#2261
not really sure but isn't it really easy for the rest of the world to snipe off kim ages before shit like this could have happened?
hello
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 20:20:45
November 27 2010 20:09 GMT
#2262
It's a latent form of gunboat diplomacy, except with its principles completely reversed. A hundred years ago a couple of gunboats off the coast of some Asiatic princedom was sufficient to cower the satrap into compliance. The point being a minor deployment of maritime power could assert a political influence out of all proportion to its effective capabilities.

Today you have these 100 000-ton behemoths with enough firepower to level a country, built and maintained at a considerable proportion of a nation's public wealth, cruising impotently around the coasts of the same Asiatic despots, with only bad effects.

There is something about these "joint naval exercises" which appear grotesquely out of date.

Pizarro conquered the Inca Empire with 2 wooden ships. If you told them about the Nuclear Carriers of the future they may have guessed our objective to be Mars or some such distant ambition. Upon being told of their real objectives, I wager they would not be so much nonplussed about our modern ships as at our modern men.
Duban
Profile Joined July 2009
United States548 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 20:32:26
November 27 2010 20:31 GMT
#2263
On November 28 2010 04:49 Coraz wrote:
South Korea fired into contested territory with North Korea warning them not to do so

USA has to provocateur wars to make excuses to bring aircraft carriers into the region that can launch onto mainland China

This is a response to the Chinese sub that fired an intercontinental ballistic missile off the coast of California 30 miles from San Diego

that's my take on it

That's really poorly informed on every level

1)The joint military exercises are held every year. How would we know that THIS YEAR it would become a serious issue.

2) Missiles being launched are subject to something called the coriolis effect. Basically ballistic missiles are launched high enough that the rotation of the earth effects the vapor trail and results in what looks like a corckscrew effect of the vapor trail. In the photographs this was not evident meaning the vapor trail stayed at relatively low altitudes, too low to be a ballistic missile.
An ignorant person makes a mistake. A stupid person makes it again.
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
November 27 2010 20:33 GMT
#2264
Man I hope China doesn't get involved if there's a war. I live in California.
Marines > everything
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-27 20:40:19
November 27 2010 20:39 GMT
#2265
On November 28 2010 05:33 vnlegend wrote:
Man I hope China doesn't get involved if there's a war. I live in California.


Slightly offtopic, but after watching some military parade videos of China's army, i really hope they don't get involved.. (well, if they are backing up SK, then yes of course.)

"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Reagalan
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2 Posts
November 27 2010 20:56 GMT
#2266
Pizarro also conquered the Incas by ambushing and assassinating their emperor, inadvertently spreading diseases the Incas had no immunities to, and taking advantage of an ongoing civil war.

I'm looking at this whole situation from the standpoint of a Risk Devo or Next Gen game (WC3 mods). North Korea is the guy who starts the game, attacks other 2g/turn countries because he "needs" them and fails, then turtles on a single 2g/turn country all game, staying alive only by the graces of a stronger player. Later on when he gets bored, he starts spamming chat and landing boats on unguarded cities, dying to get recognized or respected as anything more than a pest. Best way to get rid of him is a couple Battleship-SS.
wait...what?
Shigy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States346 Posts
November 27 2010 22:52 GMT
#2267
On November 28 2010 04:36 Blanke wrote:
That Vladivostok story Starfox posted is the one crucial detail separating this encounter from the innumerable ones prior to it, most of which did in fact end with a few bajillion tons of rice being delivered.


it's interesting, but not really firm evidence that war is around the corner. i'd suspect that if there were tens of thousands of workers in the soviet union during NK/SK skirmishes, that in light of potential military conflict - these workers would have been withdrawn to NK the same way.
Shigy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States346 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 00:33:39
November 27 2010 22:54 GMT
#2268
On November 28 2010 04:49 Coraz wrote:This is a response to the Chinese sub that fired an intercontinental ballistic missile off the coast of California 30 miles from San Diego


you shittin me? lol
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 00:39:30
November 28 2010 00:38 GMT
#2269
It has started..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11855162


no, not the war but the naval drill.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
November 28 2010 00:43 GMT
#2270
On November 28 2010 09:38 Grettin wrote:
It has started..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11855162


no, not the war but the naval drill.



LoL the article says "Sorth" Korea. Scary though
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Shigy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States346 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 00:49:41
November 28 2010 00:47 GMT
#2271
On November 28 2010 09:43 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2010 09:38 Grettin wrote:
It has started..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11855162


no, not the war but the naval drill.



LoL the article says "Sorth" Korea. Scary though



lul sweet typo, bbc has got sick engrish.


hopefully these events will lead to peaceful diplomacy
imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 01:14:42
November 28 2010 01:14 GMT
#2272
On November 28 2010 09:38 Grettin wrote:
It has started..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11855162


no, not the war but the naval drill.


shit i read the first sentence

and my heart dropped. whew......

anyway, hopefully it goes by without any further incidents.. my guess was NK's main aim with this whole fiasco was due to the change of power in the country, not because Kim Jong Il wants to go out with a bang.

And it makes sense that NK would not want a war too since it basically equates to the country's collapse.
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 01:36:37
November 28 2010 01:36 GMT
#2273
Alllright peeps. Some news:

N. Korea deploys SA-2 surface-to-air missiles near Yellow Sea border

Like this:
[image loading]

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/0200000000AEN20101128000700315.HTML
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Shura
Profile Joined November 2010
France54 Posts
November 28 2010 01:37 GMT
#2274
"N. Korea deploys SA-2 surface-to-air missiles near Yellow Sea border"

+ Show Spoiler +
SEOUL, Nov. 28 (Yonhap) -- North Korea has deployed SA-2 surface-to-air missiles to its west coast near the Yellow Sea border with South Korea as U.S.-led naval drills got underway in a show of force against the North's deadly artillery attack on a South Korean island earlier last week, government sources said Sunday.

"(The missiles) appear to be targeting our fighter jets that fly near the Northern Limit Line (NLL)," the source said on customary condition of anonymity, referring to the Yellow Sea border.

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/0200000000AEN20101128000700315.HTML


It will be a really close call ...
Teraldent
Profile Joined June 2010
United States89 Posts
November 28 2010 01:53 GMT
#2275
On November 28 2010 10:37 Shura wrote:
"N. Korea deploys SA-2 surface-to-air missiles near Yellow Sea border"

+ Show Spoiler +
SEOUL, Nov. 28 (Yonhap) -- North Korea has deployed SA-2 surface-to-air missiles to its west coast near the Yellow Sea border with South Korea as U.S.-led naval drills got underway in a show of force against the North's deadly artillery attack on a South Korean island earlier last week, government sources said Sunday.

"(The missiles) appear to be targeting our fighter jets that fly near the Northern Limit Line (NLL)," the source said on customary condition of anonymity, referring to the Yellow Sea border.

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/news/2010/11/28/0200000000AEN20101128000700315.HTML


It will be a really close call ...


wow things are really starting to get heated
Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
moochu
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia374 Posts
November 28 2010 01:55 GMT
#2276
Any idea how dangerous these surface to air missles are?
night terrors
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
China1284 Posts
November 28 2010 01:59 GMT
#2277
I dont think they intend to fire those. Just placed there to show off.
Through high and low, bisu boy, through high and low.
john6464
Profile Joined November 2010
Belize20 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-28 02:00:00
November 28 2010 01:59 GMT
#2278
South Korea: despach from the frontline of World War Three

Source: The Telegraph UK
yooyo
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7584 Posts
November 28 2010 02:03 GMT
#2279
They are completely irrelevant. The Navy boats there are equipped with photon lasers that can take between 1-2 minutes to dematerialize this projectiles, and that is what we had last year. I assume Raytheon has improved them to the point that it is under a minute, with the speed of light and nearly flawless tracking.

North Korea as well as China , both know that with just the current US Forces, it would take less then 25 minutes to completely level the entire western Chinese coast AND North Korean.

My stupid country is literally silently checkmating not just N.korea but also china.

This situation is far more dangerous for china then anybody else.

Quote me on this "S.korea is 100% safe"
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
November 28 2010 02:04 GMT
#2280
On November 28 2010 10:55 moochu wrote:
Any idea how dangerous these surface to air missles are?




Happy reading and watching. They are pretty dangerous, as missiles usually are..
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
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