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If it's only the impedance that's different, the 250 ohms version should be no more than 5 dB quieter. Use a music player like foobar2000 and set the volume control (not the system volume) to -5 dB and see if all your music is loud enough then, with system volume at whatever you want. If the 80 ohms is loud enough at -5 dB, then the 250 ohms should be fine with the current setup.
Honestly I'm not sure if there's that much difference between the different Beyerdynamic versions of the same headphones, except the Pro versions having different housing and clamping a little harder. The Pro 80 ohms version is popular, and I don't think there's anything wrong with just using that.
Every sound card with a headphone output has a headphone amplifier. It just might not be as good as a more expensive, dedicated amp. But as always, particularly with audio products, higher price does not necessarily mean higher quality. If you're satisfied with the sound, it's loud enough, and there are no problem, probably there's not much need to get an external amp.
If you really want to get something, FiiO E9 is a commercial product around $120 that can drive 600 ohms Beyerdynamics and more. I don't necessarily recommend it, just saying that it exists in that price range. There are probably many portable amps around that price or less with enough power too. Or even just a dual-battery CMoy, though those are kind of dangerous if one battery decides to come loose or die way before the other.
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On September 24 2011 18:53 HuggyBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 16:20 Buckus wrote:
Any decent NON-noise isolating earbuds (I have to hear things around me or I dont feel comfortable) for 20 - 50 bucks Yuin PK3?
These hands down for actual earbuds in that price range
On a side note, I can't find my Yuin PK2 ;_;
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I use a Sennheiser HD650. Haven't found an amp for it yet, but one day, one day.
Does anyone have some recommendations for amplifiers for this headset?
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Oh shit, gaming headsets?... I guess this will be on my list for the unnecessary gaming pheripheral spending?
the joking side, I havent really felt the need for one, but hey who knows? after reading this thread the next thing I know will be doing the research all day and wait for the shipment like my dog waiting for his meal lol
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Thanks Myrmidon. Assuming for arguments sake the amp behaved identically on all 3 models they should be the same. So essentially the 80ohm 250ohm and 600ohm versions of the DT770pro are the same.
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On September 26 2011 08:20 Naicella wrote:
Thanks Myrmidon. Assuming for arguments sake the amp behaved identically on all 3 models they should be the same. So essentially the 80ohm 250ohm and 600ohm versions of the DT770pro are the same.
Mostly, I think. I mean, the higher impedance version may have thinner wires in the voice coil or more windings or something like that, which is theoretically better?
For example check the differences here between the consumer Beyerdynamic DT 880 32/250/600 ohms versions (there isn't much, other than the impedance and thus how loud each is, but the 32 ohms version does look a little bit less controlled maybe, in the impulse response):
http://www.innerfidelity.com/headphone-data-sheet-downloads
And keep in mind the difference between the 32 and 600 ohms models should probably be more between your 80 ohms and the 250 ohms.
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@Absurd Bunny
Shure/Sony perhaps? Personally I find that once you buy your first pair of audiophile headphones, you suddenly stop liking bass, because you would discover all the hidden details in all your tracks, and at the same time how much bass distracts from that. I personally don't know, but I quite like my Atomic Floyds, it is just that they are below your price range.
Oh and the Monster turbines ARE good! I've auditioned them before :D
Just remember to find a headphone shop that allows you to audition before buying. Your ears are better than any review!
@Myrmidon
Actually I thought the best point about the card is the DAC! From a EE perspective it seems comparable with many DACs costing thousands.
@Naicella/Myrmidon
I believe (again from a EE perspective) higher impedence headphones are actually EASIER on the amplifier, as for the same power, they draw less current, resulting in less waste heat in the transistors and less noise/distortion. Also when feedback loop circuits run with higher gain they are more stable (again, less distortion). I did design and sell a couple amps to my friends for fun :D
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On September 26 2011 07:47 ster wrote:
I use a Sennheiser HD650. Haven't found an amp for it yet, but one day, one day.
Does anyone have some recommendations for amplifiers for this headset?
I'm planning to get one in the future and have somewhat decided on the Little Dot Mk III for it. It's a lot cheaper than other amps in its range.
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On September 26 2011 22:07 isparavanje wrote:
@Myrmidon
Actually I thought the best point about the card is the DAC! From a EE perspective it seems comparable with many DACs costing thousands.
@Naicella/Myrmidon
I believe (again from a EE perspective) higher impedence headphones are actually EASIER on the amplifier, as for the same power, they draw less current, resulting in less waste heat in the transistors and less noise/distortion. Also when feedback loop circuits run with higher gain they are more stable (again, less distortion). I did design and sell a couple amps to my friends for fun :D
Yeah that's true about higher impedance being easier to drive accurately from an electrical point of view. But regarding the different Beyerdynamics versions, I think there's probably a small mechanical difference as well, as a result of the construction. It's not just the impedance, though for many amps, the difference in the impedance for the electrical load on the amp may ultimately have a greater impact on performance than the other things? Hard to say. I have no clue how the mechanical differences would have an impact on the movement of the coil and so on.
That might be a fair assessment of the card too. But I suspect that many pro audio interfaces would have similar or maybe better performance in the D/A, without costing thousands. Some would have the advantage of working with mains power and maybe being able to fit some larger components if necessary, than what would fit on a sound card. It's just that a lot of audiophile DACs and other gear have exorbitant prices, from some combination of (1) snake oil marketing, (2) really expensive and cool-looking enclosures, and (3) low volume of production so relatively high overhead and production costs for each product sold.
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Not a big fan of full sized earphones. I'm an IEM guy mostly, with the best full sized cans I've owned only being the HD25-II's. Lack of portability kills full sized headphones for me, even though they'll sound better with a proper setup.
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Well having lost my PK2, I was debating whether to buy PK1 and an amp but decided it cost too much money 
So went IEM hunting and just ordered a Vsonic GR07
Super excited for when it comes~
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I use SS Siberia, but I was a avid Sennheiser user in the past, but economy didnt allow me to buy good headphones when I bought the Siberia set.
God I wish I could afford some really good headphones+external amp. It's such a huge difference in sound TT
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Do people that buy the high end headphones generally buy descrete sound cards and/or amps as well? I know that it's often not recommended in the computer build thread in the tech forum to buy a descrete sound card so I'm just curious.
Also, since I'm not too happy with my current sound with headphones (a cheaper sennheiser variant) in combination with a realtek alc 892 I was wondering if someone could give me some advice of how to best spend my money to improve the sound. Let say I buy something like a pair of sennheiser 558's, would that be sufficient in itself? I guess there must be some sweet spot where the soundcard/lack of amp gives a better pair of headphones little gain.
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meaning to listen mp3 or to game ?
i cant understand the votings seems horrible bad for me ... like gaming headset or a inexpensive mp3 ?
i have a inexpensive headset for gaming O_o like i think every other one i know have to ^^ like one of this 20-30€ headsets from like saturn ...
so i cant rly vote its ... well bad possibilities
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On September 30 2011 23:21 gruff wrote:
Do people that buy the high end headphones generally buy descrete sound cards and/or amps as well? I know that it's often not recommended in the computer build thread in the tech forum to buy a descrete sound card so I'm just curious.
Also, since I'm not too happy with my current sound with headphones (a cheaper sennheiser variant) in combination with a realtek alc 892 I was wondering if someone could give me some advice of how to best spend my money to improve the sound. Let say I buy something like a pair of sennheiser 558's, would that be sufficient in itself? I guess there must be some sweet spot where the soundcard/lack of amp gives a better pair of headphones little gain.
Well the onboard soundcard is pretty good, unless you are using an ancient machine
You will benefit more from a more from spending more on a headphone than buying a new sound card
Since the Sennheiser 558 is 50Ohms I don't think it needs a dedicated amp source.
I'm sure your computer can handle it fine 
Edit:
My VSonic GR07 came in!
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YYmd7.jpg) <3
Hmmm... the reviews I read are actually for the majority really close to what I felt!
When you first pop it in and listen to it... nothing "wow" pops out.
However, doesn't mean it's boring or anything.
If you keep listening to it, you begin to appreciate it more
Like the bass extension and impact, clear mids, and sparkling highs all work seemingly together with no emphasis on any part, resulting in nothing popping out immediately.
However, I'm a little bit disappointed on the mids. I kind of wanted a liquid, super forward midrange like my Yuin PK2s but obviously these are a lot more balanced. So I don't enjoy listening to vocal pieces as much on these. However, the bass impact really makes up for it and makes other genres like trance a lot more enjoyable
Overall, very good :D
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My gaming headset recently snapped so I decided to upgrade to something with a bit better sound quality for my audio needs since I use an external mic anyway. I don't know a whole terrible lot about headphones at all, so I just went to my local guitar center and asked the reps there to give me something cheap that would work for my needs (after answering a few questions).
So, he tells me the best value I'm going to get for a lower to mid range headphones from that store would probably be the Shure SRH 240's. They were only 40 something dollars, so I gave them a try. They're very comfortable. A nice design that looks pretty smooth (and the black doesn't show fingerprints!). They're not the most portable thing in the world, though, if that's what you're looking for. They're certainly much better than my gaming headset ever was. The bass seemed pretty well balanced (though there's something a tiny bit off about it) and the mid and highs are there; A very nice sound, but there's something not 100% right about it, though certainly miles ahead of the earbuds you'd get with your ipod, etc. Also features pretty nice noise cancellation (not active noise cancellation) for listening privacy or to drone out outside distractions. Overall, I'd rate them a good value for anyone wanting to enter into a bit better sound quality who's not super fussy about their headphones.
![[image loading]](http://www.musicalinstrumentswarehouse.com/images/4102/shure-srh240-pro-quality-headphones-black.jpg)
Also, my friend really swears by Sennheiser (sp?) headphones. I asked the rep at the store about them, and he said they were definitely a quality product, but tended to be a bit more on the pricey side and if I wasn't really sure of the sound I wanted, Senheissers aren't always the best choice, and that he couldn't really explain why. I like these shure phones, but I'm thinking of maybe upgrading sometime in the nearish future and just keep the shures for my ipod, etc. As I said, there's something that just isn't 100% about the sound I can't put my finger on. Could someone who's used senheiser products in the past perhaps enlighten me as to what the rep was saying about them not being the best if you weren't really sure about the sound you want? I generally listen to a lot of EDM/Electronica as well as a wide array of rock, Hardcore, punk, and various alternative and I generally like my bass a bit more pronounced. My freind swears by them, but I don't want to drop 100-200 dollars and find out that the match isn't quite right for me a few weeks on down the line. Thanks!
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To be fair, no headphone can be the "best" choice for everyone. Everyone has certain wants/qualities in their headphones that they want. The Sennheisers are known for their darker warmer tone, and the so called Sennheiser Veil, so if you like that type of sound, then go for it!
You can try to get an idea of how different headphones sound by reading reviews and stuff, but the best way to obviously know for sure whether you like the headphone sound or not is to try it out yourself. Various places might let you try out headphones like Guitar Center, and if you don't like them, you can always return!
Also you need to be more specific in what you are looking in a headphone.
Do you want it closed or open?
Circumaural or Supraural?
How important is comfort?
For $100-200 a very safe bet would be the Audio-Technicia ATH-M50. Very popular cans and recommended very often to with good bass and great all-around
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@JSH
Onboard soundcards do not make the mark, imo. You can hear the difference between onboard sound and a DAC/discrete card quite easily.
@Arisen
Grados are very very very uncomfortable by my experience, but for $100+ the SR125i are pretty much THE rock headphones. Bass is *slightly* lacking, but I'm not a basshead by any means. Why don't you find a local headphone store that allows you to "audition" some headphones?
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