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On November 09 2010 09:25 debasers wrote:
My music taste if pretty hipsterish, i am kinda elitist in many aspects, but i'm not a hipster, because hipsters are douchebags
this sums it up perfectly. hipster has no meaning except to be a chameleon insult that serves whatever purpose you need at the moment.
already this is treading the same ground as last month's hipster thread.
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hipsters aren't experts of music and fashion. they don't look for quality, they look for exclusivity. the best reference isn't rewarded, but the most obscure one.
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On November 09 2010 09:30 gLyo wrote:
This guy Gavin McInnes is dead right. Nothing make me roll my eyes quicker than people ragging on hipsters. If you don't like them it's probably because you wish you were one. They are fucking cool and everyone wants to be cool.
Is this serious?
I'm too used to trolling so I can't tell.
If it is then... *BOGGLE*
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On November 09 2010 09:30 gLyo wrote:
The most interesting statement here is actually his claim that hipsters are better than hippies, beats, etc. I don't know about that. Youth culture has pretty much always been about the same things, like McInnes said, so I'm not sure if hipsters are better by any measure. PBR is not the cheapest beer, fixies are not the cheapest bikes (and they most certainly get stolen), iPods are not the most bang for your buck. Hipsters usually have these things not because they are affordable, as McInnes suggests, but because they are identifiers, which is totally okay. We all have them. Hipsters are just maintaining the youth culture status quo until the next thing comes along.
This is a really good point. I'll note that in the OP.
I was actually unaware that there was a hipster thread from last month, although I guess from now on I'll try to search key words in anything I want to post so that I'm not being completely redundant (j/k) (not really). @kinky: thanks for linking.
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op pic has camel toe?
User was temp banned for this and many other crappy posts.
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Whats all this shit about hipsters lately? Who gives a fuck?
I'm not trying to troll btw.
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On November 09 2010 09:54 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Whats all this shit about hipsters lately? Who gives a fuck?
I'm not trying to troll btw.
aint no troll when you're speaking the truth
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On November 09 2010 09:39 King K. Rool wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 09:30 gLyo wrote:
This guy Gavin McInnes is dead right. Nothing make me roll my eyes quicker than people ragging on hipsters. If you don't like them it's probably because you wish you were one. They are fucking cool and everyone wants to be cool.
Is this serious? I'm too used to trolling so I can't tell. If it is then... *BOGGLE*
Yeah, I'm serious. Hipsters are the current in a long(ish) line of what most people would consider "cool" youth cultures. McInnes mentions this in the article, if you managed to read it. I don't mean subjective cool, like how TeamLiquid thinks StarCraft is cool. I mean objective cool; youth, rebellion, sex, drugs, rock 'n' roll, that sort of thing. It's a primal thing, I think. A lot of people, deep down (or not), are envious of the perceived freedom that being "cool" (being a hipster) brings.
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On November 09 2010 09:26 Emon_ wrote:
We had an article about this a month ago. I'm pretty sure nothing new will come out of this one. Pseudo bohemian kids with money to spend thanks to their parents. What else is new.
This is actually a great description. I also love how so many hipsters brush off criticism by thinking "Oh, they just want to be like us, but they cant. We're just to cool" Really helps prove the whole douchebag point
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Trendy subcultures like this are oh so lame.
Invariably their focus is on "being different" and freedom. Yet they accomplish this by creating a standard for one to follow to identify himself as a hipster - dress a certain way, listen to certain music, share this view of stuff.
It just plays to people's self-involved need to feel "special" and say "I'm not like everybody else". Anyone with half a mind can see right through the glittery facade. Lame.
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Is this only a northerner thing? Never heard of "hipsters" down here in the south
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On November 09 2010 09:55 gLyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 09:39 King K. Rool wrote:On November 09 2010 09:30 gLyo wrote:
This guy Gavin McInnes is dead right. Nothing make me roll my eyes quicker than people ragging on hipsters. If you don't like them it's probably because you wish you were one. They are fucking cool and everyone wants to be cool.
Is this serious? I'm too used to trolling so I can't tell. If it is then... *BOGGLE* Yeah, I'm serious. Hipsters are the current in a long(ish) line of what most people would consider "cool" youth cultures. McInnes mentions this in the article, if you managed to read it. I don't mean subjective cool, like how TeamLiquid thinks StarCraft is cool. I mean objective cool; youth, rebellion, sex, drugs, rock 'n' roll, that sort of thing. It's a primal thing, I think. A lot of people, deep down (or not), are envious of the perceived freedom that being "cool" (being a hipster) brings.
+1
I wonder if there's a hipster out there who secretly wishes he or she were better at video games, but then surfs a site like TL and realizes that they (plural pronoun but it's better than he/she) would have to spend way too much time getting to know the game intimately and probably would be called a noob if they ever tried to post about it and so decides not to because they're better at being a hipster than being a gamer. I'd love to talk to that person.
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I was always under the impression that hipsters were essentially people who figured what was just unpopular enough to be obscure, but not so much to be "uncool", and then latched on to it.
A lot of people got mad at the Scott Pilgrilm movie, for instance, because there was a feeling by some people that it was a "hipster" movie. Which is to say, the sort of people in that movie were not "real" gamers, who had played games for years, and genuinely loved them - but rather, people who had the guile to notice that video games (in particular, retro gaming, such as NES and SNES gaming) were "the in thing". The outrage came from the concept that these people had not gone through both the good and the bad (because being gamer hasn't really been a real recipe for being cool until recently), and that they were just taking on the benefits of being a gamer without the drawbacks.
I called the people who claimed this dumb, even though I could kinda see the merit. Mostly because I simply don't see it being acted out in practice - I just DON'T see hipsters on a daily basis. I couldn't ID one if you wanted me to. I like to listen to kinda-but-not-really-obscure turntablsm albums (Blockhead and DJ Shadow, etc) ,but this does this make ME a hipster? Hell if I know.
Also, to claim that it's just "nerrrrrrrrrrrrrrds" who dislike hipsters strikes me as a low-blow, and even if I don't dislike hipsters on principle, I do dislike the guy who said that.
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On November 09 2010 10:05 Mr. Cream wrote:
I was always under the impression that hipsters were essentially people who figured what was just unpopular enough to be obscure, but not so much to be "uncool", and then latched on to it.
A lot of people got mad at the Scott Pilgrilm movie, for instance, because there was a feeling by some people that it was a "hipster" movie. Which is to say, the sort of people in that movie were not "real" gamers, who had played games for years, and genuinely loved them - but rather, people who had the guile to notice that video games (in particular, retro gaming, such as NES and SNES gaming) were "the in thing". The outrage came from the concept that these people had not gone through both the good and the bad (because being gamer hasn't really been a real recipe for being cool until recently), and that they were just taking on the benefits of being a gamer without the drawbacks.
I called the people who claimed this dumb, even though I could kinda see the merit. Mostly because I simply don't see it being acted out in practice - I just DON'T see hipsters on a daily basis. I couldn't ID one if you wanted me to. I like to listen to kinda-but-not-really-obscure turntablsm albums (Blockhead and DJ Shadow, etc) ,but this does this make ME a hipster? Hell if I know.
Also, to claim that it's just "nerrrrrrrrrrrrrrds" who dislike hipsters strikes me as a low-blow, and even if I don't dislike hipsters on principle, I do dislike the guy who said that.
That's a really interesting point about the Scott Pilgrim movie - I wonder if, soon, Atari sets and NES game controller belts will become part of hipsterdom.
The author isn't claiming that it's "just" nerds who dislike hipsters - it's actually a whole lot of people who dislike hipsters, which is why he's felt compelled to write the article, I think. I pointed out the nerds thing because I particularly relate to it, and maybe other people on TL will too. It is a low blow in a sense, but it's only a low blow if you're sensitive to it, which probably means (definitely means, in my case) that it's true on some level.
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mmm every generation makes up a name to call a sub culture group to be able to generalize people in a dismissive way. every generation claims that the previous generation was stupid and that the future generation is even worse.
nothing new here.
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If you pay close attention, practically every "good" thing about "kids today" applies to all of us, not just hipsters. Well, except PBR, but you could substitute that with any other cheap beer.
In general, people who end up following trends like this are just there for the scene. There isn't really a defining message of hipsters, but in reality, the defining messages of the hippies had more to do with clean-cut college protesters then it did with naked people on LSD.
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Here's my take on why hipsters get so much hate. It's not because of what they wear and not because of what music they listen to. People hate them because of their attitudes; just like how nerds are stereotyped as being socially inept, hipsters are stereotyped as being arrogant, elitist douchebags.
Posts like these just keep on reinforcing this stereotype.
This guy Gavin McInnes is dead right. Nothing make me roll my eyes quicker than people ragging on hipsters. If you don't like them it's probably because you wish you were one. They are fucking cool and everyone wants to be cool.
I find it pretty ironic that hipster defenders are picking on nerds (most definitely due to the stereotypes fed to them by the media) and then on the same note whine about how the media treats hipsters unfairly.
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On November 09 2010 10:23 Stripe wrote:Here's my take on why hipsters get so much hate. It's not because of what they wear and not because of what music they listen to. People hate them because of their attitudes; just like how nerds are stereotyped as being socially inept, hipsters are stereotyped as being arrogant, elitist douchebags. Posts like these just keep on reinforcing this stereotype. Show nested quote +
This guy Gavin McInnes is dead right. Nothing make me roll my eyes quicker than people ragging on hipsters. If you don't like them it's probably because you wish you were one. They are fucking cool and everyone wants to be cool.
I find it pretty ironic that hipster defenders are picking on nerds (most definitely due to the stereotypes fed to them by the media) and then on the same note whine about how the media treats hipsters unfairly.
I am not that familiar with hipsters, I could care less what people do with their lives ... but the one person I know that has been referred to as a hipster is an extremely arrogant and extremely elitist, more so than anyone else that I know, I'm really happy she lives on the other side of the country and I don't see her often
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On November 09 2010 10:04 Reason.SC2 wrote:
Trendy subcultures like this are oh so lame.
Invariably their focus is on "being different" and freedom. Yet they accomplish this by creating a standard for one to follow to identify himself as a hipster - dress a certain way, listen to certain music, share this view of stuff.
It just plays to people's self-involved need to feel "special" and say "I'm not like everybody else". Anyone with half a mind can see right through the glittery facade. Lame.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts. Hipsters are simply a group of people trying so hard to be different and unique in order to feel special but end up falling to the conformity they tried to avoid.
On November 09 2010 09:30 gLyo wrote:
This guy Gavin McInnes is dead right. Nothing make me roll my eyes quicker than people ragging on hipsters. If you don't like them it's probably because you wish you were one. They are fucking cool and everyone wants to be cool.
No self-respecting person out of high school says "look at me, I'm so fucking cool." Grow up.
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