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Peanutsc
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United States277 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-09 00:44:55
November 09 2010 00:04 GMT
#1
I got linked to this really great article over an email list, and I thought people might find it interesting. Note that it's aimed at an older audience, probably aged 30+.

NOTE: ARTICLE LINK IS NSFW BECAUSE OF PICS IN SIDEBAR

Hey Teacher, Leave Those Kids Alone!
By Gavin McInnes

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UCLA recently hosted a panel to discuss youth culture and, as “one of hipsterdom’s primary architects,” I was asked to come along. I showed up late for the event wearing nothing but a pair of pants and holding a bottle of beer, treating the whole scene like the cafeteria in Animal House, because that’s both fun and funny. The other panelists were mostly bloggers, magazine publishers and young entrepreneurs employed by the hipster trend. That includes the history professor who used the word “Negrification” with a straight face.

[Rest of article below]
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For those of you old fogies still perplexed by the term, a “hipster” is a young person (between the ages of 18-25) with an enthusiasm for contemporary alternative pop culture, primarily music and fashion. They wear over-sized glasses with brightly colored frames, tight pants, neon “ironic” T-shirts and Chuck Taylors.Their musical tastes run the gamut; so do their ethnic and social backgrounds. Oh yeah, and they read Vice magazine and Street Carnage, both of which came out of my head.

The most common misconception about these kids is they are trust-fund posers who buy what they’re told and shamelessly steal both black and white working-class culture. These patronizing criticisms almost always come from the previous generation who are mad at the world for letting them age and are desperate to prove that today, youth is more wasted on the young than ever before. I’ve been accused of defending hipsters because they made me rich, but the real reason I never turn down an opportunity to speak at these events is I love exposing this transparent gripe for what it is: sour grapes. The kids are all right.

“But what about their legacy?” I was recently asked by New York magazine. “What will they have left behind after it’s all said and done?” This question gets on my nerves. “Music and fashion,” I answered incredulously. Since when are young people responsible for leaving us with anything more? Have you heard their politics? I don’t want these people voting. I want them doing what they do best: Fun. The greasers were about rock ’n’ roll and making out in rumble seats. The beatniks gave us some good books, but they were mostly about shocking their parents by dancing with Negroes. The only thing the mods cared about outside of dancing and getting laid was fighting Elvis fans. Boomers, who are masters at glorifying their past, insist they stopped a war, but we all know it was Kissinger’s relentless bombing that ended it. Hippies were horny stoners. Though I was one of them, I’m happy to admit punks were more preening peacocks with guitars than anarchists smashing the state. Rap evolved from parties in the South Bronx. The list goes on, and it’s always just teenagers partying.

There are two things that make the hipster subculture unique. One: They’re better than their predecessors. Two: Everyone says they’re worse.

“Die Hipster Scum” is a common sticker and T-shirt here in New York. Time Out magazine had a cover story called “Why the Hipster Must Die” and Gawker has campaigned to end the trend entirely. Last year, a magazine called n+1 held a panel condemning hipsterdom as “white power” because it is somehow inexorably linked to gentrification.

The first question moderator Christian Lorentzen asked the UCLA panel was, “Why do they hate us?” I found this particularly ironic because he was the one who wrote the Time Out feature. I confronted him about this, and he said he did it for the paycheck and didn’t believe what he wrote. I told him the question should be, “Why do YOU hate us?” but went on to explain what’s really going on.

Now that being a teenager is permissible well into one’s 40s, you have old people within the youth-culture scene bitching about “the kids today.” Imagine Clint Eastwood’s character from Gran Torino if he was still at the club. “This goddamned kid calls himself a DJ?” he’d ask with a PBR in his hand and a trucker hat to hide his bald spot. “He doesn’t even know how to beatmix, for chrissakes. It’s just a pile of fucking MP3s.” The old will always see the young as naive and arrogant—they are. The only difference today is the old person is writing about nightlife for a twenty-something zine instead of worrying about his mortgage and winterizing his lawn (which is coming up soon, guys—I’d recommend at least four bags of lime if you’re around evergreens).

Everyone else on the panel handled the question similarly and the consensus seemed to be that hipster-bashing is lame. “It’s like when an old Brooklyn goombah calls someone a ‘pretty boy,’” I said to the crowd. “He’s calling the guy attractive and young. Insults like that say a lot more about the insulter than the insultee.”

There were a lot more laughs than political discourse, but one statement made me blow a gasket. Professor Mary Corey was discussing the history of cool. She had it right for the most part. It began in the mid-50s with movies such as The Wild One and Rebel Without a Cause. Marlon Brando put the motorcycle-riding WWII vets on the map, and then James Dean defined teenagers as an independent demographic with its own set of rules. Since then, we’ve had these ten-year blips of subcultures where kids invent new music and fashion, and have a great time sowing their wild oats.

The anger began when Corey brought up Normal Mailer’s essay “The White Negro,” where he talks about cool culture pre-40s as white people mimicking blacks, but I became enraged when Corey twisted it into a smug attack on the “bourgeoisie” and how youth culture was always about ripping off the poor. I interrupted her by asking if there was anything more bourgeois than being a professor—being paid to pontificate about leisure movements and then taking off every seventh year to go ruminate in Paris. Hearing today’s kids called mindless consumers drives me nuts. They get their clothes at secondhand shops, and the ones they do buy have fewer logos than when I was their age. They don’t buy music. They steal it. They can create their own band out of nothing by mixing samples and genres and new instruments, and they get these songs to their fans without a record label. They’re not stealing anything from blacks. They are black. Mailer’s essay is a half-century old, and today’s incarnation of cool is more inclusive than any before it. We all know how misogynist the hippies really were. The Free Love movement was only a groovy way to take advantage of women. Punk pretended to be open to everyone, but an Afro Mohawk was about as common as a well-respected white rapper. Today’s kids couldn’t care less who’s black, gay, rich or poor.

“Which brings me to my next point,” I said, “Where did this theory begin that hipsters are all rich posers?” I’ve met thousands of them over the years and have yet to meet a soul who lives off a trust fund. (I’ve met plenty of trust-fund kids, but they’re more into being fabulous in Monaco than going to see a punk band.) They have the same amount of money young people have always had: barely any. They don’t drink Pabst because they’re trying to appropriate working-class culture. They’re drinking it because it’s cheap. They drive track bikes because they don’t get stolen. They listen to iPods because it’s the most musical bang for your buck. When you look into modern youth culture and examine all the criticisms, one truth becomes impossible to ignore: Today’s kids are the best. They are savvier, better connected, more informed, less consumerist and more capable of everything—including partying—than my generation or yours. Believe me, cassette tapes were a fucking pain in the ass.

We like to pretend things are getting worse and our entire civilization is on the verge of collapse, but the opposite is true. We’ve never been wealthier. Food’s never been cheaper or more abundant. Water’s never been cleaner. The air’s the least polluted it’s been in 100 years. We’ve never lived longer. It only makes sense that cool would follow suit. Instead of griping about it and trying to find ways to rain on their parade, it’s time academics and culture critics stood aside and let the kids have some fun. Being cool has never been cooler, and if you think their shirts are too loud, you’re too old.

-GAVIN McINNES

UPDATE: The retarded notion that the whole Hipster thing is rooted in some kind of racism is gaining traction. Most notably in this ridiculous New York Mag piece. After the UCLA talk, I asked the N+1 guy what the fuck that’s all about and he said it had something to do with gentrification. Then he added that the result of their debate last year was there WASN’T a link and “Besides, the whole thing was a joke anyway.” Which is precisely what I’m screaming.

For the record, I think NY Media hates hipsters because these journalists are predominantly nerds and nerds hate any kind of “cool culture” because it makes them feel left out. Next time you read an article about how evil and irrelevant cool people are, Google image the author.



Peanut's Take
Although I have friends who are self-identified hipsters, I've always been somewhat suspicious and resentful of them. I admittedly bought the "trust fund kiddies" story hook, line, and sinker. Gavin McInnes not only has made me more of a fan of hipsters than I was before (not saying much), but it's given me a new perspective on myself.

We like to pretend things are getting worse and our entire civilization is on the verge of collapse, but the opposite is true. We’ve never been wealthier. Food’s never been cheaper or more abundant. Water’s never been cleaner. The air’s the least polluted it’s been in 100 years. We’ve never lived longer. It only makes sense that cool would follow suit. Instead of griping about it and trying to find ways to rain on their parade, it’s time academics and culture critics stood aside and let the kids have some fun. Being cool has never been cooler, and if you think their shirts are too loud, you’re too old.


I completely agree with this. I know so many people who spend way too much precious time and energy moaning over how the world's going to shit and people don't care and Western culture is decadent and crumbling and there are no new ideas anymore and this is all contributing to the fall of society/Earth/the human race as we know it. Instead of pointing at hipsters (or video games, or consumerism, etc.) as the essence of what is wrong with society, I think more people should actually look at what these "evil influences" are and understand them better, and realize that they're here to stay, and work with them.

For the record, I think NY Media hates hipsters because these journalists are predominantly nerds and nerds hate any kind of “cool culture” because it makes them feel left out. Next time you read an article about how evil and irrelevant cool people are, Google image the author.


It hurts because it's true, at least from my perspective. I am a huge nerd who largely prefers to surround herself with huge nerds - why else am I in Silicon Valley? - but there have certainly been times when I've daydreamed wistfully about being able to pull off a spiky haircut and aviators and this-and-that vintage and thigh high leather boots or day-glo chucks and just walk down the street like I don't give a fuck about anything. Does this mean I'm going to drop everything and move to Williamsburg, Brooklyn to shop thrift stores all day and party at night using various controlled substances? Of course not. I'd much rather play ladder games 4 hours a day on battlenet and spend other time on non-thrift-store-related things that are more meaningful to me. Does this mean that my vague resentment against hipsters was rooted in jealousy? Absolutely. Count me guilty of sour grapes.

I want to hear people's thoughts on this. Have you had encounters with hipsters, or are you even a hipster yourself? What have you found?


Edit: People have noted that there was a similar thread about hipsterdom posted at the end of September in this venerable forum. Since that OP was about hipsters being terrible, I'd argue that this is the belated response to that sentiment. However, there needs to be something new added to the discussion.

There are two things that make the hipster subculture unique. One: They’re better than their predecessors. Two: Everyone says they’re worse.
[...]
When you look into modern youth culture and examine all the criticisms, one truth becomes impossible to ignore: Today’s kids are the best. They are savvier, better connected, more informed, less consumerist and more capable of everything—including partying—than my generation or yours. Believe me, cassette tapes were a fucking pain in the ass.


Are hipsters better than previous "cool" subcultures, as this author claims?
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
November 09 2010 00:07 GMT
#2
the problem with hipsters in my experience is their willingness to be douchebags to people who aren't hipsters. these my just be the hipsters around here though.
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DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
November 09 2010 00:11 GMT
#3
On November 09 2010 09:07 Caller wrote:
the problem with hipsters in my experience is their willingness to be douchebags to people who aren't hipsters. these my just be the hipsters around here though.


Ahh, Caller's back!

Anyway. I do dislike a lot of hipsters but I also get called a hipster a lot. The problem I have with hipsters is the same problem you do. But I don't have a problem with the culture (except for the dead-endedness of it).
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Blackhawk13
Profile Joined April 2010
United States442 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-09 00:12:37
November 09 2010 00:11 GMT
#4
For the record, I think NY Media hates hipsters because these journalists are predominantly nerds and nerds hate any kind of “cool culture”


People past highschool even use the word "cool" to describe a group of people? News to me.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
November 09 2010 00:13 GMT
#5
Ugh... Im going to sound dumb. But what's a hipster?
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King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-09 00:20:21
November 09 2010 00:16 GMT
#6
Can't stand hipsters.

And I'm their age.

One thing he completely missed was that even a large part of the hipster's generation can't stand them. Or at least none of the people I know can stand them, though that might be the case of similar people or something.

Just like how the emo kids couldn't be stood earlier in the decade by most of their age group, hipsters are the same.

Different look, same ol shit.

I'll admit I haven't met/seen a lot of hipsters, but the ones I have met have are usually annoying, and look down on people. They all sort of come off as elitist, pretending what they listen to is the best (though every genre has these types, their entire movement seems to be like that). I don't believe I'm influenced by the fact that I'm a nerd and I'm jealous (seriously? Basically every nerd I've met has no problems being a nerd), and not because of what I listen to either because really, because I don't believe in looking down on someone just because they like a certain type of music, sure I disparage the music, but I don't disparage the person.
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
November 09 2010 00:16 GMT
#7
the problem with hipsters is that they make journalists think they have a great idea for a story when, in fact, they really, really don't.
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Seide
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States831 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-09 00:25:22
November 09 2010 00:17 GMT
#8
It depends, in any culture or movement there will still be a diversity of people.
I have met hipsters who are just slightly better dressed trailer trash, I have also met hipsters who are quite intelligent.

The thing is most of that inteligent subset, dont really indentify themselves as hipsters, they just are who they are. If you aked them "Are you a hipster?" they would just shrug. They just are who they are on a daily basis, they dont really care about putting on an image to the outside world. They jsut follow their tastes, and hang people with similar tasted.

Whereas the trailer trash is trying to stick in in your face with their "yeah im a hipster yeah look at me, im so good" routine.

Be who you feel like being. People have different tastes and enjoy different crowds. No problem with that, until you start demeaning other people who have tastes that differ from yours; then you are just degenerate trash, no matter what "cultural movement" you identify with.
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McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
November 09 2010 00:19 GMT
#9
On November 09 2010 09:13 IntoTheWow wrote:
Ugh... Im going to sound dumb. But what's a hipster?

You're probably going to start an endless tirade with this question.
High five :---)
HobbitGotGame
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada178 Posts
November 09 2010 00:20 GMT
#10
Electronic music is getting cooler, hipsters are driving up the prices for events.

Bastards.
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
November 09 2010 00:22 GMT
#11
You may want to mention that the article link is NSFW because of the pictures in the sidebar.
Peanutsc
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States277 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-09 00:23:55
November 09 2010 00:22 GMT
#12
On November 09 2010 09:13 IntoTheWow wrote:
Ugh... Im going to sound dumb. But what's a hipster?


The definition of hipster is pretty fuzzy, so this isn't a dumb question. Here's what wikipedia says:

Hipster is a slang term that first appeared in the 1940s, and was revived in the 1990s and 2000s often to describe types of young, recently settled urban middle class adults and older teenagers with interests in non-mainstream fashion and culture, particularly alternative music, indie rock, independent film, magazines such as Vice and Clash, and websites like Pitchfork Media.[1] In some contexts, hipsters are also referred to as scenesters.[2]

"Hipster" has been used in sometimes contradictory ways, making it difficult to precisely define "hipster culture" because it is a "mutating, trans-Atlantic melting pot of styles, tastes and behavior[s]."[1] One commentator argues that "hipsterism fetishizes the authentic" elements of all of the "fringe movements of the postwar era—beat, hippie, punk, even grunge," and draws on the "cultural stores of every unmelted ethnicity" and "gay style", and "regurgitates it with a winking inauthenticity."[3]


For a more visual definition of hipster, use google image search or the excellent website latfh.com.

@kinky: noted, thanks.
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HalfnHalf
Profile Joined May 2010
United States90 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-09 00:26:12
November 09 2010 00:22 GMT
#13
On November 09 2010 09:13 IntoTheWow wrote:
Ugh... Im going to sound dumb. But what's a hipster?


A really really short definition would be someone who tries to be as ironic as possible with what they wear and what they do.
debasers
Profile Joined August 2010
737 Posts
November 09 2010 00:25 GMT
#14
My music taste if pretty hipsterish, i am kinda elitist in many aspects, but i'm not a hipster, because hipsters are douchebags
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
November 09 2010 00:25 GMT
#15
Every time I see somebody riding a fixed gear bike around I want to drop kick them off of it. Every time one of them comes into a local joint and orders PBR to be ironic I want to drop the jukebox on them.

I don't have anger or rage issues. I have hipster issues.
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Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
November 09 2010 00:26 GMT
#16
We had an article about this a month ago. I'm pretty sure nothing new will come out of this one. Pseudo bohemian kids with money to spend thanks to their parents. What else is new.
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Peanutsc
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States277 Posts
November 09 2010 00:26 GMT
#17
On November 09 2010 09:26 Emon_ wrote:
We had an article about this a month ago. I'm pretty sure nothing new will come out of this one. Pseudo bohemian kids with money to spend thanks to their parents. What else is new.


Nice trolling dude.
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chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
November 09 2010 00:29 GMT
#18
On November 09 2010 09:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Every time I see somebody riding a fixed gear bike around I want to drop kick them off of it. Every time one of them comes into a local joint and orders PBR to be ironic I want to drop the jukebox on them.

I don't have anger or rage issues. I have hipster issues.


i order pbr's because they're cheap. what the fuck is ironic about that?
:O
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
November 09 2010 00:30 GMT
#19
This was the other recent topic on hipsters http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=156716
gLyo
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United States2410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-09 00:32:48
November 09 2010 00:30 GMT
#20
This guy Gavin McInnes is dead right. Nothing make me roll my eyes quicker than people ragging on hipsters. If you don't like them it's probably because you wish you were one. They are fucking cool and everyone wants to be cool.

The most interesting statement here is actually his claim that hipsters are better than hippies, beats, etc. I don't know about that. Youth culture has pretty much always been about the same things, like McInnes said, so I'm not sure if hipsters are better by any measure. PBR is not the cheapest beer, fixies are not the cheapest bikes (and they most certainly get stolen), iPods are not the most bang for your buck. Hipsters usually have these things not because they are affordable, as McInnes suggests, but because they are identifiers, which is totally okay. We all have them. Hipsters are just maintaining the youth culture status quo until the next thing comes along.
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