EPTi think people are over generalizing hipsters. just like how some asians dislike math and some black people dislike fried chicken, cool hipsters can exist. hipsters don't bother me, i live in san francisco.
Hipster article by co-founder of Vice - Page 3
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
i think people are over generalizing hipsters. just like how some asians dislike math and some black people dislike fried chicken, cool hipsters can exist. hipsters don't bother me, i live in san francisco. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
While I haven't met a whole lot of trust fund hipsters (I do know a few...), I've met a whole lot that live in a rich suburb with parents that makes well over 300k a year... If there's one thing I will admit I'm jealous about, it's the fact that they don't have to work and they have no debt. (At least most of the ones I know. I can't speak for the greater majority of them...) As for whether they are "better" than previous trendy subcultures I would certainly say that they are better off, but that's because the whole world is better off. They don't need to buy music because we have MP3's now, which weren't available to previous subcultures. They can easily record and distribute it without record labels because we have dirt cheap and amazing recording equipment available today and the internet has networked the world in a way no previous generation has ever seen. I don't know how you could use that as an argument to say that they are somehow "better" than previous generations since such things weren't even available back then. It's a pretty stupid argument to make if only for that reason. I suppose my question would be, "Have they made more of what they have than the previous generations did of what they had?" and "What's the legacy that they will ultimately leave behind?" I don't think we're really going to be able to answer these questions until the current brand of "hipsterdom" (or whatever) has come and gone and by then, I suspect that they'll be the ones griping about some new group of douchebags who find a way to up the notch of douchebaggery. | ||
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Peanutsc
United States277 Posts
On November 09 2010 10:35 LegendaryZ wrote: I suppose my question would be, "Have they made more of what they have than the previous generations did of what they had?" and "What's the legacy that they will ultimately leave behind?" I don't think we're really going to be able to answer these questions until the current brand of "hipsterdom" (or whatever) has come and gone and by then, I suspect that they'll be the ones griping about some new group of douchebags who find a way to up the notch of douchebaggery. Note that the author specifically addresses your questions: “But what about their legacy?” I was recently asked by New York magazine. “What will they have left behind after it’s all said and done?” This question gets on my nerves. “Music and fashion,” I answered incredulously. Since when are young people responsible for leaving us with anything more? Have you heard their politics? I don’t want these people voting. I want them doing what they do best: Fun. The greasers were about rock ’n’ roll and making out in rumble seats. The beatniks gave us some good books, but they were mostly about shocking their parents by dancing with Negroes. The only thing the mods cared about outside of dancing and getting laid was fighting Elvis fans. Boomers, who are masters at glorifying their past, insist they stopped a war, but we all know it was Kissinger’s relentless bombing that ended it. Hippies were horny stoners. Though I was one of them, I’m happy to admit punks were more preening peacocks with guitars than anarchists smashing the state. Rap evolved from parties in the South Bronx. The list goes on, and it’s always just teenagers partying. I believe one of the author's main points is that questions like the ones you posed are not very relevant to youth culture, or at least the vast majority of it. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
If it's irrelevant to evaluate youth culture, then why is he doing it in the first place? Obviously it is relevant because youth culture matters. Those parties in the South Bronx turned out to have a huge impact on the world as did the hippies with their sex and drugs, even if it was just "teenagers partying." If these questions didn't matter, people wouldn't be discussing them in such depth. Understanding ourselves and the things that influence the world around us gives us important information in showing us where we're headed as a society. To marginalize the impact they'll have on the world to "music and fashion" is just horribly misguided in my opinion. | ||
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gLyo
United States2410 Posts
On November 09 2010 10:27 javy925 wrote: No self-respecting person out of high school says "look at me, I'm so fucking cool." Grow up. This is not what my post meant, and I am kind of offended that you told me to grow up and implied that am still in high school. I simply meant that hipsters are cool (in the classic sense, you know? I explained this more in another post) and people want to be cool because it represents, essentially, freedom. | ||
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Blackhawk13
United States442 Posts
On November 09 2010 09:30 gLyo wrote: If you don't like them it's probably because you wish you were one. They are fucking cool and everyone wants to be cool. This is just such a stupid statement. You can't say something like this and expect not to get flamed. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
I went to high school with a lot of kids who could be considered hipsters. I grew up in a pretty well-off city though. And while not all of them are douches, most of them were pretty poorly dressed fashion- wise, IMO. | ||
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Katkishka
United States649 Posts
Let them do what they wanna do; if someone's a douche they're a douche. Doesn't matter if they're a hipster or not. It's just like if I hated the guy above me for enjoying anime (which I don't); I don't particularly enjoy anime, I don't really care about it. Does that mean it's OK for me to hate it? Not really. Does it mean that I should hate the fanbase? I don't think so, as they've never harmed me directly or otherwise. People are so intolerant. | ||
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CommanderFluffy
Taiwan1059 Posts
On November 09 2010 11:13 Ferrose wrote: I don't get the whole "being cool" or "belonging to a group" thing with young people. I'm an eighteen year old college kid, but I despise other people my age. I just want to play video games, and watch anime and sports. And I'm totally happy with my life as it is. That is incredibly sad. | ||
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javy_
United States1677 Posts
On November 09 2010 10:55 gLyo wrote: This is not what my post meant, and I am kind of offended that you told me to grow up and implied that am still in high school. I simply meant that hipsters are cool (in the classic sense, you know? I explained this more in another post) and people want to be cool because it represents, essentially, freedom. Explain how being cool represents freedom and how do you define freedom. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
Why is it sad? | ||
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Peanutsc
United States277 Posts
On November 09 2010 10:49 LegendaryZ wrote: No, he doesn't address my questions at all. His arguments all base themselves on the fact that the world has progressed, not that subculture has progressed any further than a previous generation. If he's going to make a claim that they're "better" at what they do than a previous generation, then you've got to bring up something about them as a culture that's better than their predecessors, not just the things they happen to have access to. If it's irrelevant to evaluate youth culture, then why is he doing it in the first place? Obviously it is relevant because youth culture matters. Those parties in the South Bronx turned out to have a huge impact on the world as did the hippies with their sex and drugs, even if it was just "teenagers partying." If these questions didn't matter, people wouldn't be discussing them in such depth. Understanding ourselves and the things that influence the world around us gives us important information in showing us where we're headed as a society. To marginalize the impact they'll have on the world to "music and fashion" is just horribly misguided in my opinion. I would respectfully point out that perhaps one of the biggest reasons they are "better" at what they do (according to the author) is that the world has progressed, and that the hipsters have a culture of taking advantage of that progression in an interesting way - a way which is very efficient and creative towards achieving the goal of youth culture, which he interprets as just having fun. It is definitely not irrelevant to evaluate youth culture. Youth culture is not irrelevant, so it deserves some kind of evaluation. I think the author is saying that many people are going about that evaluation in a way that doesn't see youth culture as an end in and of itself instead of a means to an end (destroying/uplifting the world, etc.). Your point that, in hindsight, youth culture CAN have a major impact on society/the world is well taken. It is too early to have that kind of hindsight insight, since it's still going on now. I think his point is that it's a mistake to try to have these kinds of insights now (which is what a lot of people are doing), because it unfairly makes hipsters out to be some kind of disease upon society. Certainly there are parts of youth culture that have a significant legacy - there are and always will be young people who do incredible things that have an immediate (or nearly immediate) impact on the world. I think McInnes is saying that trying to judge all of youth culture by this standard is a mistake. | ||
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gLyo
United States2410 Posts
On November 09 2010 11:24 javy925 wrote: Explain how being cool represents freedom and how do you define freedom. OK – remember that Family Guy episode where Meg gets asked out by the guy who plays by his own rules and nobody else's (not even his own)? That's cool, that's freedom. That guy is obviously a parody of "cool youth culture." A parody of a hipster. Obviously being Cool doesn't really grant that sort of freedom but I believe that it is the lure. Everybody wants it at least a little, and the ones who get upset about it are the ones who want it the most, just like anything else. | ||
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dNo_O
United States233 Posts
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CommanderFluffy
Taiwan1059 Posts
I dont' mean to derail thread, but cmon dude. You just want to play video games and watch cartoons while in college. I guess it's not fair for me to judge. It's your life to waste, not mine. | ||
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lakritzc
Sweden164 Posts
I have many homies who would fall under the category hipster, I don't listen to the same music as them, as for that matter I don't care, they're still cool people. I don't believe in generic stereotypes, like if somebody talks like an elitist about their music and shit, that's them, individually. It's pathetic to wrap people in a group and label them. And that's peace. | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
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OTIX
Sweden491 Posts
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Quanticfograw
United States2053 Posts
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On November 09 2010 11:43 CommanderFluffy wrote: I dont' mean to derail thread, but cmon dude. You just want to play video games and watch cartoons while in college. I guess it's not fair for me to judge. It's your life to waste, not mine. What's so bad about playing video games? I play them in my free time. I honestly don't see how that's wasting my life. What would you rather me do with my time? And I think you should get a better understanding of anime before associating them with childish cartoons. | ||
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