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On November 07 2010 07:20 evanthebouncy! wrote:this is such a good watch! I am late for work because of it but thanks!
Yeah i'm glad that someone watched it completely, cause it's not very short but i think it's worth watching even if it's satire it's based on true facts.
Also it's more about the foreign policy of the USA and not so much about the things that were going on inside the USA but it gives a good look about the procedures in the past.
I recommend this for people who are interested in historical coherences especially about the gulf war and such things.
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So you don't think we should get healthcare for everyone because you don't want to have to pay any of your money on it?
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On November 07 2010 08:20 kzn wrote:
Yes, and it is because they dont understand the scope of the analogy, just as you don't.
Okay man, you're so smart that apparently everyone else just cannot understand your amazing logic. That sounds a lot more likely than maybe you just making a retarded analogy and now trying to desperately defend it to maintain your credibility. Yup.
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On November 07 2010 07:11 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 06:33 Tufas wrote:
I study political science in Vienna and I think that some U.S. politicians are just to be called fascist.
Although we also have this right partys rising in the E.U. , we at least name them for that and try to deny political power as hard as we can. You seem to lack a whole lot of political conscience.
100 % of my friends and colleagues agree : How can you be against socialism. It is one of the great human achievements. HCR, best thing in the world. You need to help those who cannot help themselves. Wealth does not trickle down, nor ever will it.
This might still be a unipolar world with the U.S. to the A. on the top but this is going to change fast. You have to prepare for this now - Not only your typical enemys like china or russia, also india, brazil - to name few. And, in case you didnt know, the E.U. We want to be independent, get our oil reserves and trade in € and have our own army with camparable size to the U.N. in 2020.
Another big problem with the U.S. : In my eyes you should pay millions or billions to every country that your CIA overthrew in the last 50 years. This is not theoretical left wing propaganda, you did overthrow them. Exactly YOU ! Just kidding, but you always inherit the sins of your parents. The world police has to realize that democracys do not only have to maintain their own democracy but spread it.
I am more worried about the U.S. that I am about china... I think china will change a great bit in the right direction in the next years to come while I am not sure if the U.S.A. is willing to be just another country in this wide world. Well if you ever come down from your horse, we welcome you in our ranks.
EDIT : How can you be against gay marriage and abortion. Please dont be, this hurts your image su much.
And : Religion has nothing to do with politics. Try to keep it out of it. God bless America. Well, tell god to go and bless your family. The country as a whole is not religious, you are. Or not.b Pretty much the general swedish view as well if I dare say so.. However I do not agree with you about the European standard. Look at Italy = crazy horny old man who makes his own laws, and never steps down from power - pretty much a dictator. Also owner of the television companies if I remember correctly; France, Hungary, Finland, Denmark, Norway and Germany = pretty extreme racism; Greece just had an economical breakdown due to retarded politicians. Don't get me started about eastern europe in general. Let's just say that many of the countries there still live in the 40s. If you tell them Hitler is dead, they'll probably faint. Pretty recently Sweden got the right wing party in power, and I think like 4 ministers have been kicked out so far because they've been doing illegal stuff, and they just suck for the country overall. Also we've gotten the racist party in 5% - For you who didn't know you get the same percent of people in parliament as you had votes, so the'll be quite important, as there are two big blocks, and the nazis who can basically decide which option they like the best (however they probably wont ever be able to make any own proposals). I think the most left wing party left it's block though, possibly to negate the effects of the racists.. lol America's politics is shit, even the americans know that, but Europe is going down hill as well. The worst country is probably Italy though. Imho a working, democratic socialism would be the best for the world. The thing people always bring up is Soviet Russia, or Batshit Crazy Modern Time China, but none of those countries actually had socialism. Does everyone have the same amount of power, ie democracy in those countries? No, far from it. kkthxbb. Fascist countries call themselves socialistic, and all of a sudden it's bad to think of others, work together, have a free healthcare system, free college and share things in general (the values of socialism, for those of you who didn't know). Wow... P.S. Religion is made to make people stupid and obedient.. and it's worked quite well so far. Is there anywhere in any major religious book where it says you should think for yourself? No, it's strongly discouraged.
This is a very good post and what I think most Swedish people think of the USA. At lest the people that are not on the more extreme right wing.
http://www.wimp.com/crisescapitalism/
With this video I would like to start an discussion about IF america would fall and WHEN in that case.
I think that it's not that far away, guessing 15 years if the democrats keep the majority otherwise mabye 10.
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On November 07 2010 08:20 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +Here is a better analogy you should use: Everyone gains if they're given by the government a method of transport, but you don't see any attempts to redistribute income so everyone can have one. Except that analogy doesn't really work because we already do that, it's called public transportation. And it is consistently a massive failure too.
I would like to point out that in Sweden we have a very good public transportation system, but they also spend some money on it. So that is just pure lies.
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Something like that:
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No offense meant, but asking such a question warrants such an answer.
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On November 07 2010 08:20 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 07:19 Ferrose wrote:On November 07 2010 04:59 kzn wrote:
everyone is guaranteed lifesaving medical care in the US already (which they shouldn't be)). Why not? I'm curious to hear your reasoning on this one. In all honesty, I'm not the one who has to establish a "why not". My answer is that nobody has yet been able to provide a decent reason why they should have the authority to force me to spend money that I worked for on something that they've picked. Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 07:22 Krigwin wrote:
If you actually think this there is something seriously wrong with you. And I don't mean "you're evil!" or "you're a bad person if you disagree with me" wrong, I mean mental disorder, not sufficient education, was raised in the forest by wolves type of seriously wrong, because your logic is bizarre and alien.
They are not even close to identical. A Ferrari is not a "utility gain", it's a type of goddamn car. I understand the comparison you're attempting to make, but the literal analogy you're actually making now does not work at all. That is a utility gain. Nothing you've said makes it at all different from healthcare in terms of anything but scale. If everyone pools their money and buys healthcare for everyone, everyone benefits. If everyone pools their money and buys Ferraris for everyone, everyone benefits. Thus, "everyone benefits" is not sufficient as a reason to have universal healthcare. Show nested quote +Here is a better analogy you should use: Everyone gains if they're given by the government a method of transport, but you don't see any attempts to redistribute income so everyone can have one. Except that analogy doesn't really work because we already do that, it's called public transportation. And it is consistently a massive failure too. Show nested quote +There's a reason why every single person responding to you has pointed out how stupid your analogy was. Yes, and it is because they dont understand the scope of the analogy, just as you don't.
And yet, the US currently has a national debt of 13.690.520.231.885$. (13 trillion dollars right? We don't use the same counting scale). You rather spend money on wars than on helping fellow americans who perhaps lost their jobs, or maybe just works with something that doesn't provide a huge salary (school teachers and such).
There are examples of americans who have had a good steady income all their lives, and when they're about 50-60 they get some kind of disease that won't go away, and the repeated huge costs make them go bankrupt, so they have to sell their homes etc.. that's just macabre..
I don't get how the right wing americans don't want to pay taxes, but are pro war.
Cuba has a better well fair system than the US. Enough said.
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On November 07 2010 08:52 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 08:20 kzn wrote:On November 07 2010 07:19 Ferrose wrote:On November 07 2010 04:59 kzn wrote:
everyone is guaranteed lifesaving medical care in the US already (which they shouldn't be)). Why not? I'm curious to hear your reasoning on this one. In all honesty, I'm not the one who has to establish a "why not". My answer is that nobody has yet been able to provide a decent reason why they should have the authority to force me to spend money that I worked for on something that they've picked. On November 07 2010 07:22 Krigwin wrote:
If you actually think this there is something seriously wrong with you. And I don't mean "you're evil!" or "you're a bad person if you disagree with me" wrong, I mean mental disorder, not sufficient education, was raised in the forest by wolves type of seriously wrong, because your logic is bizarre and alien.
They are not even close to identical. A Ferrari is not a "utility gain", it's a type of goddamn car. I understand the comparison you're attempting to make, but the literal analogy you're actually making now does not work at all. That is a utility gain. Nothing you've said makes it at all different from healthcare in terms of anything but scale. If everyone pools their money and buys healthcare for everyone, everyone benefits. If everyone pools their money and buys Ferraris for everyone, everyone benefits. Thus, "everyone benefits" is not sufficient as a reason to have universal healthcare. Here is a better analogy you should use: Everyone gains if they're given by the government a method of transport, but you don't see any attempts to redistribute income so everyone can have one. Except that analogy doesn't really work because we already do that, it's called public transportation. And it is consistently a massive failure too. There's a reason why every single person responding to you has pointed out how stupid your analogy was. Yes, and it is because they dont understand the scope of the analogy, just as you don't. And yet, the US currently has a national debt of 13.690.520.231.885$. (13 trillion dollars right? We don't use the same counting scale). You rather spend money on wars than on helping fellow americans who perhaps lost their jobs, or maybe just works with something that doesn't provide a huge salary (school teachers and such). There are examples of americans who have had a good steady income all their lives, and when they're about 50-60 they get some kind of disease that won't go away, and the repeated huge costs make them go bankrupt, so they have to sell their homes etc.. that's just macabre.. I don't get how the right wing americans don't want to pay taxes, but are pro war. Cuba has a better well fair system than the US. Enough said.
I think that most Americans would be for healthcare for all. As long as they don't have to pay anything for it.
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On November 07 2010 08:52 Euronyme wrote:
And yet, the US currently has a national debt of 13.690.520.231.885$. (13 trillion dollars right? We don't use the same counting scale). You rather spend money on wars than on helping fellow americans who perhaps lost their jobs, or maybe just works with something that doesn't provide a huge salary (school teachers and such).
You realize that the vast majority of our national debt is the result of Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, the Department of Education, and other "social welfare" spending, right?
There are examples of americans who have had a good steady income all their lives, and when they're about 50-60 they get some kind of disease that won't go away, and the repeated huge costs make them go bankrupt, so they have to sell their homes etc.. that's just macabre..
Its macabre forcing everyone else to pay for their treatment too.
I don't get how the right wing americans don't want to pay taxes, but are pro war.
Cuba has a better well fair system than the US. Enough said.
Cuba is communist, so no shit.
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Let's just get rid of SS, medicare/aid, and the DoE. What do we do now? The poorest people have no healthcare, old people have none if they can't afford it, and our kids have no schools to go to, unless they can afford private school.
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Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, the Department of Education, and other "social welfare" spending does cost alot, no shit.
perhaps if `the Us´ started chopping up that 1 trillion military pie `the Us´ could get somewhere quicker
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On November 07 2010 09:05 kzn wrote:
You realize that the vast majority of our national debt is the result of Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, the Department of Education, and other "social welfare" spending, right?
Budgets are generally passed as a whole, so I don't know how you figure these things contribute to the debt. The debt is spending minus income, simply put. One could just as easily say the debt is the result of the existence of the military, drug law enforcement, or even tax cuts followed by stagnant or increased spending. Majority of spending could be accounted for by the programs we use to buy off and subsidize the elderly, sure.
Social Security is silly to include on a list of debt causers anyway since it has a designated tax that still runs surpluses.
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Excellent, this one made my night  Thank you
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On November 07 2010 08:55 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 08:52 Euronyme wrote:On November 07 2010 08:20 kzn wrote:On November 07 2010 07:19 Ferrose wrote:On November 07 2010 04:59 kzn wrote:
everyone is guaranteed lifesaving medical care in the US already (which they shouldn't be)). Why not? I'm curious to hear your reasoning on this one. In all honesty, I'm not the one who has to establish a "why not". My answer is that nobody has yet been able to provide a decent reason why they should have the authority to force me to spend money that I worked for on something that they've picked. On November 07 2010 07:22 Krigwin wrote:
If you actually think this there is something seriously wrong with you. And I don't mean "you're evil!" or "you're a bad person if you disagree with me" wrong, I mean mental disorder, not sufficient education, was raised in the forest by wolves type of seriously wrong, because your logic is bizarre and alien.
They are not even close to identical. A Ferrari is not a "utility gain", it's a type of goddamn car. I understand the comparison you're attempting to make, but the literal analogy you're actually making now does not work at all. That is a utility gain. Nothing you've said makes it at all different from healthcare in terms of anything but scale. If everyone pools their money and buys healthcare for everyone, everyone benefits. If everyone pools their money and buys Ferraris for everyone, everyone benefits. Thus, "everyone benefits" is not sufficient as a reason to have universal healthcare. Here is a better analogy you should use: Everyone gains if they're given by the government a method of transport, but you don't see any attempts to redistribute income so everyone can have one. Except that analogy doesn't really work because we already do that, it's called public transportation. And it is consistently a massive failure too. There's a reason why every single person responding to you has pointed out how stupid your analogy was. Yes, and it is because they dont understand the scope of the analogy, just as you don't. And yet, the US currently has a national debt of 13.690.520.231.885$. (13 trillion dollars right? We don't use the same counting scale). You rather spend money on wars than on helping fellow americans who perhaps lost their jobs, or maybe just works with something that doesn't provide a huge salary (school teachers and such). There are examples of americans who have had a good steady income all their lives, and when they're about 50-60 they get some kind of disease that won't go away, and the repeated huge costs make them go bankrupt, so they have to sell their homes etc.. that's just macabre.. I don't get how the right wing americans don't want to pay taxes, but are pro war. Cuba has a better well fair system than the US. Enough said. I think that most Americans would be for healthcare for all. As long as they don't have to pay anything for it.
Thank you. Quote of the day. MOST Americans would agree to save lives, as long as it doesn't cost them a penny.
Real classy.
What kind of a monster are you?
How come it already works, and has worked for the last 70 or so years in every other western world country, but that in the US it's completely out of the question?
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On November 07 2010 09:14 Ferrose wrote:
Let's just get rid of SS, medicare/aid, and the DoE. What do we do now?
Cut taxes by 20+%
The poorest people have no healthcare,
Too bad.
old people have none if they can't afford it,
Maybe they shouldn't be completely retarded and go into retirement with no savings.
and our kids have no schools to go to, unless they can afford private school.
Yeah, no. If private schooling didn't have to compete with public, you'd have plenty of cheaper schools that would still outperform current public schooling. And its not like people couldn't afford it with 20% more disposable income.
So, yeah, sounds good to me.
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On November 07 2010 09:30 kzn wrote:Too bad.
All I can say is, "Wow. >.<"
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^hahaha (edit; @kzn). I would love to see the comic tragedy of a country under your policies if I did not have to live in it.
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On November 07 2010 09:36 Servolisk wrote:
^hahaha (edit; @kzn). I would love to see the comic tragedy of a country under your policies if I did not have to live in it.
The poor people would die out fast.
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On November 07 2010 09:34 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 09:30 kzn wrote:The poorest people have no healthcare, Too bad. All I can say is, "Wow. >.<"
All I can say is you are massively overestimating the number of people who are too poor to afford basic health insurance.
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On November 07 2010 09:43 kzn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2010 09:34 Ferrose wrote:On November 07 2010 09:30 kzn wrote:The poorest people have no healthcare, Too bad. All I can say is, "Wow. >.<" All I can say is you are massively overestimating the number of people who are too poor to afford basic health insurance.
Okay...and then the people who can't are just told "sux2bu lulz?"
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