EPTViews on construction of Mosque at Ground Zero - Page 29
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Rickson
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SweetNJoshSauce
United States468 Posts
It is obviously a slap in the face move but this is America so what do you expect? And for all those about to flame me: If I had it my way there would be no Churches or Mosques period. | ||
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tru_power22
Canada385 Posts
Maybe - maybe if it was on top of the old grounds I might have an issue with that (though more likely confusion than anything else really). But as it stands now this is blatant racism. | ||
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Spawkuring
United States755 Posts
On August 29 2010 10:59 SweetNJoshSauce wrote: Obviously they have a right to build there. But why there? I mean, really? This is obviously not going to increase tolerance or "build bridges." Anyone that says it will is completely clueless and has no sense of reality. It is obviously a slap in the face move but this is America so what do you expect? And for all those about to flame me: If I had it my way there would be no Churches or Mosques period. It never really started off as offensive though. As several posts earlier pointed out, people on the right were initially fine with the mosque until just recently when it suddenly became insensitive and provocative for no real reason. And to be honest, a lot of the issue is heavily blown out of proportion. Even though I say mosque, in reality it's just a community center that contains a mosque that's built several blocks away from the towers. It's really no different from many other public buildings that contain rooms dedicated to prayer for people from other cultures. The only reason it became an issue now is because people on the far right needed something to complain about. And let's be honest, the only people who are really pissed off are those that already hate muslims anyway. They'll hate muslims no matter what, so there's really no point in worrying about appeasing them because they'll never be satisfied. | ||
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vek
Australia936 Posts
All we see, straight from the American news reports, is a bunch of retards shouting "USA, USA, USA" as a "protest". Dick Morris spouting his "command center for terrorism" nonsense (lol) and of course comparing Islam to the Nazi party (more lol). To me it just seems the media is bored of the oil spill and has found something else to go on about, it's pretty much a non issue. | ||
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SweetNJoshSauce
United States468 Posts
On August 29 2010 11:57 Spawkuring wrote: It never really started off as offensive though. As several posts earlier pointed out, people on the right were initially fine with the mosque until just recently when it suddenly became insensitive and provocative for no real reason. And to be honest, a lot of the issue is heavily blown out of proportion. Even though I say mosque, in reality it's just a community center that contains a mosque that's built several blocks away from the towers. It's really no different from many other public buildings that contain rooms dedicated to prayer for people from other cultures. The only reason it became an issue now is because people on the far right needed something to complain about. And let's be honest, the only people who are really pissed off are those that already hate muslims anyway. They'll hate muslims no matter what, so there's really no point in worrying about appeasing them because they'll never be satisfied. You're right that the media didn't portray it as offensive to begin, but I found it offensive to begin with. And yes, its a "community center", but it has a mosque in it, so to me its just a mosque. Same goes for Christian community centers and their "youth groups": Just another name for a Church. I stand by my point though: Why there? How would you not see this hatred coming? I have no sympathy for the Muslims leading this project because all of this hatred and protest would be avoided if they used even the slightest bit of common sense and built it further from ground zero. Not everyone in America has forgotten about 9/11(although most have...) so this rage is justified. For the people that reply:You cant just group all of of Islam into the radical Islam category, your right. Just like you cant group every gun owner into a serial killing maniac. But it would still be incredibly distasteful and rude to build a 13 story Gun community center right next to Columbine would it not? | ||
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xbankx
703 Posts
On August 29 2010 15:44 SweetNJoshSauce wrote: You're right that the media didn't portray it as offensive to begin, but I found it offensive to begin with. And yes, its a "community center", but it has a mosque in it, so to me its just a mosque. Same goes for Christian community centers and their "youth groups": Just another name for a Church. I stand by my point though: Why there? How would you not see this hatred coming? I have no sympathy for the Muslims leading this project because all of this hatred and protest would be avoided if they used even the slightest bit of common sense and built it further from ground zero. Not everyone in America has forgotten about 9/11(although most have...) so this rage is justified. For the people that reply:You cant just group all of of Islam into the radical Islam category, your right. Just like you cant group every gun owner into a serial killing maniac. But it would still be incredibly distasteful and rude to build a 13 story Gun community center right next to Columbine would it not? If the gunshop is according to the zoning law of the local community then its fine. I mean didn't the NRA hold a meeting in Columbine the year after the shooting in the same town. This is America a place of law and order where law comes before all else. Mosque may be distasteful to some people but they got rights and you can't take them away. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
MURFREESBORO, Tenn. — Authorities are investigating a fire that damaged at least one construction vehicle at a Tennessee site where a new mosque is being built. Federal investigators won't say whether they believe the fire early Saturday was intentionally set at the suburban Nashville project, which has faced vehement opposition. Still, a spokeswoman for the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro said the fire has frightened the area's Muslim community. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives spokesman Eric Kehn said Sunday the investigation was still in an early phase. The FBI and local sheriff are also investigating. The center has been in the community for decades, and the new facility represents an expansion. Opponents, while citing traffic and parking issues, have also implied the center would be a haven for terrorists. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
“By preventing this mosque from being built, America is doing us a big favor,” Taliban operative Zabihullah tells NEWSWEEK. (Like many Afghans, he uses a single name.) “It’s providing us with more recruits, donations, and popular support.” http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/30/taliban-using-mosque-controversy-to-recruit.html | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
On August 31 2010 01:22 Zealotdriver wrote: To the idiots claiming that "the terrorists" would view this mosque project as a victory: the Taliban have spoken out against this mosque project. http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/30/taliban-using-mosque-controversy-to-recruit.html Makes sense. When you have wingnuts equating Islam with terrorists and the fact that the USA is fighting a "War on Terror", it doesn't take a genius to connect the dots. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On August 29 2010 15:44 SweetNJoshSauce wrote: You're right that the media didn't portray it as offensive to begin, but I found it offensive to begin with. And yes, its a "community center", but it has a mosque in it, so to me its just a mosque. Same goes for Christian community centers and their "youth groups": Just another name for a Church. I stand by my point though: Why there? How would you not see this hatred coming? I have no sympathy for the Muslims leading this project because all of this hatred and protest would be avoided if they used even the slightest bit of common sense and built it further from ground zero. Not everyone in America has forgotten about 9/11(although most have...) so this rage is justified. For the people that reply:You cant just group all of of Islam into the radical Islam category, your right. Just like you cant group every gun owner into a serial killing maniac. But it would still be incredibly distasteful and rude to build a 13 story Gun community center right next to Columbine would it not? Why not there? It's their right to do so. A mosque doesnt symbolize Terrorism unless you believe islam = terrorism. Nevermind the fact that it isn't being built by Ground Zero...more along the lines of A couple blocks away. What's "far enough" for you exactly? Hell it won't even look like a mosque. Just a regular building in the swarm of other buildings in New York This sort of ridiculous intolerance just gives the Taliban more support. If you're offended, that's frankly your problem. Luckily most of our laws in the US aren't built around what offends people. | ||
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The_Voidless
United States184 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 29 2010 15:44 SweetNJoshSauce wrote: You're right that the media didn't portray it as offensive to begin, but I found it offensive to begin with. And yes, its a "community center", but it has a mosque in it, so to me its just a mosque. Same goes for Christian community centers and their "youth groups": Just another name for a Church. I stand by my point though: Why there? How would you not see this hatred coming? I have no sympathy for the Muslims leading this project because all of this hatred and protest would be avoided if they used even the slightest bit of common sense and built it further from ground zero. Not everyone in America has forgotten about 9/11(although most have...) so this rage is justified. For the people that reply:You cant just group all of of Islam into the radical Islam category, your right. Just like you cant group every gun owner into a serial killing maniac. But it would still be incredibly distasteful and rude to build a 13 story Gun community center right next to Columbine would it not? While you raise a good point, I feel that the message that America must send to the Islamic world, a message of acceptance and tolerance and understanding that not all of Islam is radical and terrorist, is much much more important than protecting the sensitivities of people still affected by an event that happened almost a decade ago. I'm not saying that 9/11 shouldn't be remembered for all its horror. It should be and that should be respected. I lived through and experienced all of 9/11 and I fully understand how big of an issue it is. Even so, by denying the construction of a mosque, we are essentially telling the rest of the world that we do not tolerate Islam, that we are close-minded and grudge-holding. That's not right. We already have a lot of public relations issues with the rest of the world, not to mention the Islamic world. It would be wise not to compound those issues. | ||
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
They came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up. -- Martin Niemoller. Such a fan of that quote when people ask why I care at all about this. Also: http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/30/taliban-using-mosque-controversy-to-recruit.html “By preventing this mosque from being built, America is doing us a big favor,” Taliban operative Zabihullah tells NEWSWEEK. “It’s providing us with more recruits, donations, and popular support.” | ||
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Lazix
Australia378 Posts
On August 31 2010 01:22 Zealotdriver wrote: To the idiots claiming that "the terrorists" would view this mosque project as a victory: the Taliban have spoken out against this mosque project. http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/30/taliban-using-mosque-controversy-to-recruit.html I don't know how you can state an absolute like that. Whether you like it or not some Muslims will view it as a victory (some extremists rather) and some wont. Hopefully much more the latter, but that doesn't change the fact that the extremists do have opinions and I can't imagine they'd go liberal all of the sudden over this. Also not sure why you posted that Taliban quote because its not even relevant on whether they view the mosque as a victory or not. But rather why the prevention of the mosque is helping their cause. Not the same thing. | ||
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RoarMan
Canada745 Posts
On August 29 2010 05:55 Rickson wrote: I just read a couple of the pages not all so I dont know if this has been posted but I stand by Mayor Bloomberg. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWRJ17he__I This is an excellent speech. I'd have to agree with the OP, it's just a Mosque being built around Ground Zero. | ||
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
For a bunch of retards so obsessed with the constitution you'd think all these folks who are against it would be the first ones to say that is their RIGHT to build it there. But hey, hypocrisy isn't really anything new to them, so why start caring about it now. | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
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Pinworm45
Canada11 Posts
On August 31 2010 03:53 DamnCats wrote:For a bunch of retards so obsessed with the constitution you'd think all these folks who are against it would be the first ones to say that is their RIGHT to build it there. But hey, hypocrisy isn't really anything new to them, so why start caring about it now. Out of all the people against this mosque, I haven't seen a single one saying they don't have the RIGHT to build it there. They're merely saying it's in extremely poor taste and that they shouldn't do it. Just like the Phelps people have the RIGHT to picket soldiers' funerals with signs saying "thank god for dead soldiers". And I have the right to think they're assholes for it and wish they wouldn't do it. That's all people are saying. | ||
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