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On August 31 2010 17:02 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 15:57 Half wrote:
My point: Islam is a religion that, like Christianity, is very broad and open to massive amounts of interpretation. I don't think Islam=terrorism. But I do think Islam=threat. And yes, i believe Christianity=threat as well.
In other words you view people with differences then your own as a threat. lool. It always amuses me to no end when Atheists (talking as an Atheist) basically become a mirror of those they hate, parroting demagogues and using their viewpoints to justify marginalizing another human being. The exact statement can be said, and has been said, about Atheism itself when Atheism has been a distabalizing force in the world. Ministers in the US parroted your exact same argument through the Bolshevik Revolution, Throughout the ensuing Red Scare, and well up into the 80s. The violence and conflict in the Middle East is not about Islam. It is about Power and Money, and the beliefs cherished by the people are just another tool used to achieve that mean. "Atheism" isn't intrinsically less susceptible to intolerance or stupidity, as you are currently demonstrating, or less susceptible to manipulation by those whom have an agenda, as has been demonstrated -repeatedly- throughout history. Of course Atheists can be as much of a threat as anyone else, I never denied that. But right now, how many violent atheist movements are there? I'm not saying we take away the Muslims right to build there, I'm just saying its an asshole move to build there, and the fact that they say its to "build bridges and promote tolerance" is bullshit because that's obviously not going to happen. Slago: Is there scripture in the Bible that endorses pedophiles? I haven't checked to be honest but I don't remember the priests backing up their actions with any scripture. You obviously did not read my post because I state that there are perfectly fine Muslims in this country. I'm not calling every Muslim a terrorist I'm calling Islam a threat. I could give the nicest man in the world a nuclear bomb, but he would still be a threat. Does the Koran not endorse the killing of infidels? Obviously its open to interpretation which is why we have radical groups but the fact remains that its still in their holy scripture. And obviously most Muslims in this country do not interpret the Koran literally and kill every non believer. Pann: You and I consider them radical because they blow things up, but that's just one way of eliminating the infidel, which their holy scripture entitles them to do. In other words, its not radical for them. I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just saying that its rude of them to build that close(yes I know the distance between blocks in New York) because that's as close as they COULD build it. Their trying to get a reaction and its working. And if their goal is to really build bridges then they are going to totally fail. If they want to build it there, fine.
If building a mosque close to ground zero educates people on islam and makes them change their view on muslimic people, I'm all for it. For example the notion that islam in itself is bad, because there are passages in the Qur'an that propagate violence. Similar quotes can be found in the bible aswell, but does that makes christians violent people? No. Do all so called christians actually really live how the bible tells them to? No. Do all muslims follow the Qur'an word for word? No. You can't use the inability of a few uneducated people to interpret the Qur'an correctly as an excuse to deny many more peaceful muslims a mosque that is clearly meant to improve the relationship between the US and muslims.
Also, think about how this event could be used by US citizens to improve their reputation in the muslim world aswell. Those suicide attackers were just misguided tools of well educated and intelligent people. Whatever the reason they attacked the US, the US should take this chance to show muslims outside of america, that there was no reason for this hatred.
I'm shocked at how biased Fox News is reporting on this matter. That's really the lowest level of journalism I've ever seen.
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On August 31 2010 15:15 Slago wrote:
I am raging so hard right now all these fucking idiots (sorry mods temp ban me if you want but I can't handle it) have no idea about anything there blaming all muslims for the acts of a few, are you fucking kidding me, really? you blame all muslims for 9/11 give your fucking head a shake. Ever realize muslims were killed in 9/11 aswell have you no concept of reality to be so ignorant to blame an entire religion for the acts of a few. Is everyone that fucking ignorant or just stupid? It makes me so sad that humanity stil puts up dividers on people based on race and religion, you can deny it all you want but if youre against the mosque essentially you blame all muslims for 9/11. an entire culture based on a few extremist, tell me do you think all catholics are pedofiles? no. Do you blame all catholics for the acts of a corrupted catholics that raped little boys? no you don't. So do not ever blame a religion for the acts of PEOPLE thats what they are people not just "MUSLIMS" you go up to any muslim you know and ask them what they thought of 9/11 I gaurantee you that absolutely none will say "fuck yeah, death to america" do you people have any idea the absolute ignorance you put out.
Sorry mods for the language but please understand that this is a very passionate issue for me and I can't deal with the absolute ignorance people display.
Believe it or not, the Muslims involved with 9/11 aren't the only muslims that wish death upon America.
To determine if the ground zero mosque is offensive the only thing you have to look at is the intentions of the developers. If they intend for it to be a slap in the face with the mosque overlooking their successful mission then it is offensive. Really simple, isn't it? It's incredibly naive to assume that every muslim with ill sentinment towards the US were on the hijacked 9/11 flights so every other muslim left in the world loves America so it's impossible for the ground zero mosque developers intentions be anything but pure.
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On August 31 2010 20:00 mathemagician1986 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 17:02 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:On August 31 2010 15:57 Half wrote:
My point: Islam is a religion that, like Christianity, is very broad and open to massive amounts of interpretation. I don't think Islam=terrorism. But I do think Islam=threat. And yes, i believe Christianity=threat as well.
In other words you view people with differences then your own as a threat. lool. It always amuses me to no end when Atheists (talking as an Atheist) basically become a mirror of those they hate, parroting demagogues and using their viewpoints to justify marginalizing another human being. The exact statement can be said, and has been said, about Atheism itself when Atheism has been a distabalizing force in the world. Ministers in the US parroted your exact same argument through the Bolshevik Revolution, Throughout the ensuing Red Scare, and well up into the 80s. The violence and conflict in the Middle East is not about Islam. It is about Power and Money, and the beliefs cherished by the people are just another tool used to achieve that mean. "Atheism" isn't intrinsically less susceptible to intolerance or stupidity, as you are currently demonstrating, or less susceptible to manipulation by those whom have an agenda, as has been demonstrated -repeatedly- throughout history. Of course Atheists can be as much of a threat as anyone else, I never denied that. But right now, how many violent atheist movements are there? I'm not saying we take away the Muslims right to build there, I'm just saying its an asshole move to build there, and the fact that they say its to "build bridges and promote tolerance" is bullshit because that's obviously not going to happen. Slago: Is there scripture in the Bible that endorses pedophiles? I haven't checked to be honest but I don't remember the priests backing up their actions with any scripture. You obviously did not read my post because I state that there are perfectly fine Muslims in this country. I'm not calling every Muslim a terrorist I'm calling Islam a threat. I could give the nicest man in the world a nuclear bomb, but he would still be a threat. Does the Koran not endorse the killing of infidels? Obviously its open to interpretation which is why we have radical groups but the fact remains that its still in their holy scripture. And obviously most Muslims in this country do not interpret the Koran literally and kill every non believer. Pann: You and I consider them radical because they blow things up, but that's just one way of eliminating the infidel, which their holy scripture entitles them to do. In other words, its not radical for them. I'm not trying to start a flame war, I'm just saying that its rude of them to build that close(yes I know the distance between blocks in New York) because that's as close as they COULD build it. Their trying to get a reaction and its working. And if their goal is to really build bridges then they are going to totally fail. If they want to build it there, fine. If building a mosque close to ground zero educates people on islam and makes them change their view on muslimic people, I'm all for it. For example the notion that islam in itself is bad, because there are passages in the Qur'an that propagate violence. Similar quotes can be found in the bible aswell, but does that makes christians violent people? No. Do all so called christians actually really live how the bible tells them to? No. Do all muslims follow the Qur'an word for word? No. You can't use the inability of a few uneducated people to interpret the Qur'an correctly as an excuse to deny many more peaceful muslims a mosque that is clearly meant to improve the relationship between the US and muslims. Also, think about how this event could be used by US citizens to improve their reputation in the muslim world aswell. Those suicide attackers were just misguided tools of well educated and intelligent people. Whatever the reason they attacked the US, the US should take this chance to show muslims outside of america, that there was no reason for this hatred. I'm shocked at how biased Fox News is reporting on this matter. That's really the lowest level of journalism I've ever seen.
Well what do you really expect from Fox lol?
Anyways, I'll be honest: I don't give a flying fuck what the Muslim world thinks about America. And by "Muslim world" I'm talking about countries living under the Sharia, not Muslims living in "Western countries". I've spent a little bit of time in some of these countries and their the most ass backwards crude places I've been to(although I'm sure there's worse in the world). The US caring about how we look to them is like a grown man worrying how an infant will perceive him. Don't get me wrong though, I don't think we should nuke them or anything, I just don't think we should bend over backwards to try and appease them.
As for your original point, I don't think you have really digested what I posted earlier. I already agreed that not all Muslims are bad, and that these Muslims ignore the violent passages in the Koran. My argument is how could this improve relations? How is this going to "educate" us naysayers of this mosque? I don't need to be told by a religious person how great and peaceful that their religion is. Its no doubt going to be biased and I don't want to hear it. I own a Koran and have read enough of it to know about how dangerous it is. Listening to a Muslim trying to convince me that Islam is a beautiful way of life is probably as much fun as having Mormons on my doorstep at 7AM Saturday morning telling me about how great Joseph Smith was.
By building this "community center" as close as they possibly could to ground zero they are displaying an obvious act of insensitivity and belligerence. Hell even when the Church started to establish places of Christian worship around Auschwitz the Pope shut it down because he knew religious establishments have no place around hollowed ground.
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On August 31 2010 15:15 Slago wrote:
I am raging so hard right now all these fucking idiots (sorry mods temp ban me if you want but I can't handle it) have no idea about anything there blaming all muslims for the acts of a few, are you fucking kidding me, really? you blame all muslims for 9/11 give your fucking head a shake. Ever realize muslims were killed in 9/11 aswell have you no concept of reality to be so ignorant to blame an entire religion for the acts of a few. Is everyone that fucking ignorant or just stupid? It makes me so sad that humanity stil puts up dividers on people based on race and religion, you can deny it all you want but if youre against the mosque essentially you blame all muslims for 9/11. an entire culture based on a few extremist, tell me do you think all catholics are pedofiles? no. Do you blame all catholics for the acts of a corrupted catholics that raped little boys? no you don't. So do not ever blame a religion for the acts of PEOPLE thats what they are people not just "MUSLIMS" you go up to any muslim you know and ask them what they thought of 9/11 I gaurantee you that absolutely none will say "fuck yeah, death to america" do you people have any idea the absolute ignorance you put out.
Sorry mods for the language but please understand that this is a very passionate issue for me and I can't deal with the absolute ignorance people display.
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Believe it or not, the Muslims involved with 9/11 aren't the only muslims that wish death upon America.
To determine if the ground zero mosque is offensive the only thing you have to look at is the intentions of the developers. If they intend for it to be a slap in the face with the mosque overlooking their successful mission then it is offensive. Really simple, isn't it? It's incredibly naive to assume that every muslim with ill sentinment towards the US were on the hijacked 9/11 flights so every other muslim left in the world loves America so it's impossible for the ground zero mosque developers intentions be anything but pure.
uuugh this is excactly the ignorance I'm talking about you are again blaming every muslim for 9/11, you do realize that hating america isn't part of their religion you ignorant fuck, you are a complete idiot to believe that the mosque is being built to spite the 9/11 victims. You really beleive there are a ton of terrorists living in america? No you dumbass stop watching 24 and come back to reality please, and there you go AGAIN with the MUSLIMS, they were also men does that mean that building a YMCA near ground zero is offensive. you are obviously too idiotic to read my whole post or you would've read the part about the catholic priests but I guess your too dumb and ignrant and caught up in your fanatasy white supremist world to realize. but just so you hopefully read it no one blames all catholics for raping little boys, WHY THE FUCK BLAME ALL MUSLIMS FOR TERRORIST ATTACKS. Muslim religion does not support the attacks you dumb fuck
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On August 31 2010 23:18 Slago wrote:
You really beleive there are a ton of terrorists living in america? No you dumbass stop watching 24 and come back to reality please
Funnily enough, most of the time it was some pasty white dudes that are the masterminds!
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On August 31 2010 15:15 Slago wrote:
I am raging so hard right now all these fucking idiots (sorry mods temp ban me if you want but I can't handle it) have no idea about anything there blaming all muslims for the acts of a few, are you fucking kidding me, really? you blame all muslims for 9/11 give your fucking head a shake. Ever realize muslims were killed in 9/11 aswell have you no concept of reality to be so ignorant to blame an entire religion for the acts of a few. Is everyone that fucking ignorant or just stupid? It makes me so sad that humanity stil puts up dividers on people based on race and religion, you can deny it all you want but if youre against the mosque essentially you blame all muslims for 9/11. an entire culture based on a few extremist, tell me do you think all catholics are pedofiles? no. Do you blame all catholics for the acts of a corrupted catholics that raped little boys? no you don't. So do not ever blame a religion for the acts of PEOPLE thats what they are people not just "MUSLIMS" you go up to any muslim you know and ask them what they thought of 9/11 I gaurantee you that absolutely none will say "fuck yeah, death to america" do you people have any idea the absolute ignorance you put out.
Sorry mods for the language but please understand that this is a very passionate issue for me and I can't deal with the absolute ignorance people display.
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Believe it or not, the Muslims involved with 9/11 aren't the only muslims that wish death upon America.
To determine if the ground zero mosque is offensive the only thing you have to look at is the intentions of the developers. If they intend for it to be a slap in the face with the mosque overlooking their successful mission then it is offensive. Really simple, isn't it? It's incredibly naive to assume that every muslim with ill sentinment towards the US were on the hijacked 9/11 flights so every other muslim left in the world loves America so it's impossible for the ground zero mosque developers intentions be anything but pure.
uuugh this is excactly the ignorance I'm talking about you are again blaming every muslim for 9/11, you do realize that hating america isn't part of their religion you ignorant fuck, you are a complete idiot to believe that the mosque is being built to spite the 9/11 victims. You really beleive there are a ton of terrorists living in america? No you dumbass stop watching 24 and come back to reality please, and there you go AGAIN with the MUSLIMS, they were also men does that mean that building a YMCA near ground zero is offensive. you are obviously too idiotic to read my whole post or you would've read the part about the catholic priests but I guess your too dumb and ignrant and caught up in your fanatasy white supremist world to realize. but just so you hopefully read it no one blames all catholics for raping little boys, WHY THE FUCK BLAME ALL MUSLIMS FOR TERRORIST ATTACKS. Muslim religion does not support the attacks you dumb fuck
The Qu'ran an the Hadith recommand several time to "fight" for your belief, and as the Qu'ran is so poorly written and doesn't contextualize its revelations, it's kind of hard to really understand what that means. It might sound strange for a common atheist or christian who did read the Bible, to understand how a Holy Book can exist "without context", but there simply isn't any ! The Qu'ran is nothing more than a random compilation of un-dated and vague revelations.
The first sourats of the Qu'ran tell you to 'respect the christians/jews blablabla', then 'be charitable' and suddently 'Kill every single infidels you meet', 'Take people who do not embrace the religion of Allah as slaves' and finally the book concludes 'respect blablabla, they've their religion you have yours'...
Contrary to a popular belief, they're very very few full of hatred verses (probably around 5 - 10), but people can't know for sure in what circumstances they should apply these horrible verses. Good people will tell you that it was in the case of a holy war dictated by God, or that is was self-defense after muslims got persecuted for a long time, "bad" people will tell you that it is God's eternal way of propagating the religion of truth.
A lot of muslims tend to use the Hadith (compilations of the so called friends of the prophet Muhammed sws, who wrote down what they saw and heard of him) to determine in what circumstances things were said, but they're so obviously full of shit that even the specialists agree that a lot of them were invented, so even for a believer it is risky to use them. The other big issue with the Hadith is that all the crazy shit about the muslim faith (lapidation, all rituals, slavery...) comes from them.
Recently, a group of people (called the Qu'ranist) has emerged and is rejecting everything about the Sunna (Hadiths), it has been declared as a sect by the muslim authorities... Why ? Because they use the thousands of Hadiths that nobody read as a way to control people, they're the one who tells you which Hadith is false, right, or how to interpret them.
Without the Hadith, they would lose control, that's why I believe that the only way for Islam to evolve would be to forget everything about the Hadiths like jews forgot everything about the Talmud, or the Christians about the Old Testament.
By the way, I'm for the building of the Mosque as it is quite far from ground Zero (if I understood things correctly).
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Are the Qu'ranists rejecting all hadiths or just the Sunni ones? Either way, good luck getting any religion to discard a set of holy works. I know the Qu'ran was written/compiled some 200 years after Mohamed, but I don't know if it's as distorted and politicized as original versions of the bible.
The Hadiths seem very politicized. Seeing as both Sunni and Shia denominations have separate collections for what's considered canon or not. It would not surprise me if most were written as an affirmation of ones religious beliefs, rather then anything be considered divinely inspired.
Religious traditions are still followed by most Western religions as well. Many of them just aren't noticed as they've become commonplace in Western society. Many Jews still follow the Talmud, although Judaism is a more liberal religion then most in places like the US. Christians do not follow any of the Old Testament rules, as there are lines in the New Testament which specifically absolve them from doing so. Still, things like not eating meat on Friday are just now starting to go away (being raised Catholic, this used to be a big deal, until we discovered my brother was allergic to fish and convenience trumps religion every time).
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On August 31 2010 21:45 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
Anyways, I'll be honest: I don't give a flying fuck what the Muslim world thinks about America. And by "Muslim world" I'm talking about countries living under the Sharia, not Muslims living in "Western countries". I've spent a little bit of time in some of these countries and their the most ass backwards crude places I've been to(although I'm sure there's worse in the world). The US caring about how we look to them is like a grown man worrying how an infant will perceive him. Don't get me wrong though, I don't think we should nuke them or anything, I just don't think we should bend over backwards to try and appease them.
Things in the world are a bit more complex than "Muslims over the world go > ." Why should you care what the Muslim world thinks about America? Because those impoverished kids in the "ass backwards" areas you describe will become the bombers of tomorrow when we nonsensically deny our own principles of free religion and give in to anti-islamic sentiment.
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On September 01 2010 07:54 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:Things in the world are a bit more complex than "Muslims over the world go > ." Why should you care what the Muslim world thinks about America? Because those impoverished kids in the "ass backwards" areas you describe will become the bombers of tomorrow when we nonsensically deny our own principles of free religion and give in to anti-islamic sentiment.
Nothing we do at home affects what impoverished kids halfway across the world think of us. That state of mind has more to do with what we do or what is done in our name in their countries. Only the really well educated and international kinds will think of US being hypocritical. The rest will only use it to confirm what they experience themselves.
This has far more effect inside our own borders on the opinion of Muslims in US and members of other unpopular religions. The hypocrisy of US's freedom of religion will help foster domestic terrorism and disengage the tolerant and non-extremist Muslims.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/01/nyregion/01mosque.html?_r=1&hp
Teenagers Charged in Harassment at Mosque
August 31, 2010
A group of teenagers in western New York have been accused of harassing members of a mosque by yelling obscenities and insults during evening prayers for Ramadan, sideswiping a worshiper with a vehicle and firing a shotgun outside, the authorities said on Tuesday.
I think they should remove all schools within two blocks, especially since schools could serve as a meeting place for like minded teenagers to meet and plot attacks in the very shadow of this horrible incident. And also out of respect for the victim's pain and suffering.
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@Archerofaiur,
i m sorry but if they fired a shotgun, i dont think dats called harassment, dats prolly terrorism! we need to send these terrorist teens to guantanamo bay for interrogation, like that kid named khadr or something.
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On September 01 2010 07:54 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 21:45 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
Anyways, I'll be honest: I don't give a flying fuck what the Muslim world thinks about America. And by "Muslim world" I'm talking about countries living under the Sharia, not Muslims living in "Western countries". I've spent a little bit of time in some of these countries and their the most ass backwards crude places I've been to(although I'm sure there's worse in the world). The US caring about how we look to them is like a grown man worrying how an infant will perceive him. Don't get me wrong though, I don't think we should nuke them or anything, I just don't think we should bend over backwards to try and appease them.
Things in the world are a bit more complex than "Muslims over the world go > ." Why should you care what the Muslim world thinks about America? Because those impoverished kids in the "ass backwards" areas you describe will become the bombers of tomorrow when we nonsensically deny our own principles of free religion and give in to anti-islamic sentiment.
If they become the bombers of tomorrow then they're fighting against free religion. You think the 9/11 hijackers flew the planes into the twin towers in the name of religious freedom? Part of the reasons radical Muslims hate America so much is because of all of our freedoms. It clashes with the strict Sharia law they want everyone to live by. Sure this whole controversy might add a little fuel to their fire, but its not my fault they don't use common sense and figure out why it might be considered offensive.
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On September 01 2010 09:56 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 07:54 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 31 2010 21:45 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
Anyways, I'll be honest: I don't give a flying fuck what the Muslim world thinks about America. And by "Muslim world" I'm talking about countries living under the Sharia, not Muslims living in "Western countries". I've spent a little bit of time in some of these countries and their the most ass backwards crude places I've been to(although I'm sure there's worse in the world). The US caring about how we look to them is like a grown man worrying how an infant will perceive him. Don't get me wrong though, I don't think we should nuke them or anything, I just don't think we should bend over backwards to try and appease them.
Things in the world are a bit more complex than "Muslims over the world go > ." Why should you care what the Muslim world thinks about America? Because those impoverished kids in the "ass backwards" areas you describe will become the bombers of tomorrow when we nonsensically deny our own principles of free religion and give in to anti-islamic sentiment. Part of the reasons radical Muslims hate America so much is because of all of our freedoms.
Such a canned, America-centric response. There's no indication in any research publication that terrorists commit acts out of jealousy.
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They might hate US if we tried to force those freedoms on them.
Maybe that's bringing "democracy" to rest of the world. But they mostly hate US for the "to the rest of the world" part rather than for the "'democracy'" part.
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On September 01 2010 10:00 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 09:56 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:On September 01 2010 07:54 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 31 2010 21:45 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
Anyways, I'll be honest: I don't give a flying fuck what the Muslim world thinks about America. And by "Muslim world" I'm talking about countries living under the Sharia, not Muslims living in "Western countries". I've spent a little bit of time in some of these countries and their the most ass backwards crude places I've been to(although I'm sure there's worse in the world). The US caring about how we look to them is like a grown man worrying how an infant will perceive him. Don't get me wrong though, I don't think we should nuke them or anything, I just don't think we should bend over backwards to try and appease them.
Things in the world are a bit more complex than "Muslims over the world go > ." Why should you care what the Muslim world thinks about America? Because those impoverished kids in the "ass backwards" areas you describe will become the bombers of tomorrow when we nonsensically deny our own principles of free religion and give in to anti-islamic sentiment. Part of the reasons radical Muslims hate America so much is because of all of our freedoms. Such a canned, America-centric response. There's no indication in any research publication that terrorists commit acts out of jealousy.
The terrorist's believe everyone should be muslim. Religous freedom goes against that right?
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On September 01 2010 10:00 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 09:56 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:On September 01 2010 07:54 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 31 2010 21:45 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
Anyways, I'll be honest: I don't give a flying fuck what the Muslim world thinks about America. And by "Muslim world" I'm talking about countries living under the Sharia, not Muslims living in "Western countries". I've spent a little bit of time in some of these countries and their the most ass backwards crude places I've been to(although I'm sure there's worse in the world). The US caring about how we look to them is like a grown man worrying how an infant will perceive him. Don't get me wrong though, I don't think we should nuke them or anything, I just don't think we should bend over backwards to try and appease them.
Things in the world are a bit more complex than "Muslims over the world go > ." Why should you care what the Muslim world thinks about America? Because those impoverished kids in the "ass backwards" areas you describe will become the bombers of tomorrow when we nonsensically deny our own principles of free religion and give in to anti-islamic sentiment. Part of the reasons radical Muslims hate America so much is because of all of our freedoms. Such a canned, America-centric response. There's no indication in any research publication that terrorists commit acts out of jealousy.
I'm not saying they commit acts of terrorism because of jealousy. Many radical Muslims believe that Islam must blanket the entire world. How is this possible if you have a super power like the US promoting such blasphemous ideas like freedom of religion?
@TanGeng
Yes, your right. And trust me, I'm not for the militant spreading of democracy in the Islamic world. If I had it my way, I would have had the US leave Iraq right after we captured Saddam.
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On September 01 2010 10:06 Archerofaiur wrote:
The terrorist's believe everyone should be muslim. Religous freedom goes against that right?
No evidence that it's the driving force behind terrorism. Some Evangelical Christians also believe everyone should be Christians. Do we think of them as terrorists?
You know those angry Muslims rioted over critiques of Mohammad a while back. They claimed that it violated Muslim sensitivities. Now, this construction of a community center is violating 9/11 sensitivities. The world could use a lot more people with thicker skin and less sensitivity.
But if it's really offensive, feel free to demonstrate in front of the construction site every single day. Just don't riot and destroy any property or harm any people.
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On September 01 2010 10:11 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 10:00 Jibba wrote:On September 01 2010 09:56 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:On September 01 2010 07:54 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:On August 31 2010 21:45 SweetNJoshSauce wrote:
Anyways, I'll be honest: I don't give a flying fuck what the Muslim world thinks about America. And by "Muslim world" I'm talking about countries living under the Sharia, not Muslims living in "Western countries". I've spent a little bit of time in some of these countries and their the most ass backwards crude places I've been to(although I'm sure there's worse in the world). The US caring about how we look to them is like a grown man worrying how an infant will perceive him. Don't get me wrong though, I don't think we should nuke them or anything, I just don't think we should bend over backwards to try and appease them.
Things in the world are a bit more complex than "Muslims over the world go > ." Why should you care what the Muslim world thinks about America? Because those impoverished kids in the "ass backwards" areas you describe will become the bombers of tomorrow when we nonsensically deny our own principles of free religion and give in to anti-islamic sentiment. Part of the reasons radical Muslims hate America so much is because of all of our freedoms. Such a canned, America-centric response. There's no indication in any research publication that terrorists commit acts out of jealousy. I'm not saying they commit acts of terrorism because of jealousy. Many radical Muslims believe that Islam must blanket the entire world. How is this possible if you have a super power like the US promoting such blasphemous ideas like freedom of religion? @TanGeng Yes, your right. And trust me, I'm not for the militant spreading of democracy in the Islamic world. If I had it my way, I would have had the US leave Iraq right after we captured Saddam.
Well to be fair, we also have our own problems with some "Christians" in the USA. Apparently, there's not enough God in our lives guiding us or something.
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On September 01 2010 10:16 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 10:06 Archerofaiur wrote:
The terrorist's believe everyone should be muslim. Religous freedom goes against that right? No evidence that it's the driving force behind terrorism. Some Evangelical Christians also believe everyone should be Christians. Do we think of them as terrorists? You know those angry Muslims rioted over critiques of Mohammad a while back. They claimed that it violated Muslim sensitivities. Now, this construction of a community center is violating 9/11 sensitivities. The world could use a lot more people with thicker skin and less sensitivity. But if it's really offensive, feel free to demonstrate in front of the construction site every single day. Just don't riot and destroy any property or harm any people.
If those Christians try to kill and conquer non believers to spread fear because they want to conquer the world for Christianity then yes, they are religious terrorists.
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