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JinNJuice
Profile Joined June 2010
United States255 Posts
August 27 2010 12:54 GMT
#541
Wow...can't believe half my thread was taken over by that idiot. Thanks Kwark for the cleanup.
SPYTE, I'm fairly certain that the community center will be open to the public. I really doubt they will be like, "nope, no infidels allowed in our community center." All the facilities will be open to the public I'm sure.
comis
Profile Joined April 2010
United States333 Posts
August 27 2010 15:47 GMT
#542
I don't actually have a problem with the Mosque, but to me it's just sort of one of those "...really?" moments. Is having a Mosque there so important? Did they *not* think that every bigot in the US would be up in arms over it? Was it worth the trouble/potential violence?

...really?
Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
August 27 2010 16:14 GMT
#543
I dont really think its appropriate.
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Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
August 27 2010 16:18 GMT
#544
On August 28 2010 00:47 comis wrote:
I don't actually have a problem with the Mosque, but to me it's just sort of one of those "...really?" moments. Is having a Mosque there so important? Did they *not* think that every bigot in the US would be up in arms over it? Was it worth the trouble/potential violence?

...really?


Seemed to be going smoothly until Fox caught wind of it.
jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
August 27 2010 16:29 GMT
#545
if its not going to be a financial building, why not just make a huge ass community centre

for everyone and anyone regardless of race, religion, sex, etc
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
August 27 2010 19:28 GMT
#546
On August 28 2010 01:18 Offhand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 00:47 comis wrote:
I don't actually have a problem with the Mosque, but to me it's just sort of one of those "...really?" moments. Is having a Mosque there so important? Did they *not* think that every bigot in the US would be up in arms over it? Was it worth the trouble/potential violence?

...really?


Seemed to be going smoothly until Fox caught wind of it.

Fox actually did an interview about it on December 2009 and the general take on it seemed to be that, because if the values of reform that this group promotes, it was probably a good thing.

In May, they changed their tune and started all this **omfgterroristmosque** crap. This is as much an election-driven wedge issue as anything, although the ~34% of the country that has said they'd oppose a mosque constructed anywhere in the US do seem to earnestly believe we need to "defend" ourselves from this particular religion (or all religions they don't personally like).
Uncle Leo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
60 Posts
August 27 2010 19:31 GMT
#547
On August 28 2010 01:18 Offhand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 00:47 comis wrote:
I don't actually have a problem with the Mosque, but to me it's just sort of one of those "...really?" moments. Is having a Mosque there so important? Did they *not* think that every bigot in the US would be up in arms over it? Was it worth the trouble/potential violence?

...really?


Seemed to be going smoothly until Fox caught wind of it.

They were on Fox News actually in December about it, and Fox was cool with the idea. Then a right-wing blogger with Stop Islamization of America started blogging about it, and Fox did an about face.
Floophead_III
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1832 Posts
August 27 2010 19:34 GMT
#548
On August 28 2010 00:47 comis wrote:
I don't actually have a problem with the Mosque, but to me it's just sort of one of those "...really?" moments. Is having a Mosque there so important? Did they *not* think that every bigot in the US would be up in arms over it? Was it worth the trouble/potential violence?

...really?


You know, that's probably the best point anyone can make. It's just bad taste is all.
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Osservatore
Profile Joined August 2009
United States10 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 20:28:14
August 27 2010 20:26 GMT
#549
I'll be the first to say that I disagree. thesighter has been correct and active in his posts, playing against several liberals. Don't even pretend that this thread includes any rational or coherent discussion, because there is no more credibility here than what goes down on the view.

Please continue to bash fox news and promote whatever outlet you subscribe to.
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Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
August 27 2010 20:48 GMT
#550
Actually most news shows are abysmal in their coverage. However, Fox has time and again demonstrated a much stronger bias and willingness to fabricate information - for example, their pushing the two Breitbart "scandals" into the spotlight and frequently labeling Republicans who were caught up in scandals as (D) for two examples. How anybody still takes them as a serious news source is beyond me -- as far as political commentary goes on the other hand, their talk shows are really no more partisan than somebody like Maddow. It's just the news content that is worse on that channel.
Triscuit
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States722 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 23:17:40
August 27 2010 23:16 GMT
#551
On August 28 2010 00:47 comis wrote:
I don't actually have a problem with the Mosque, but to me it's just sort of one of those "...really?" moments. Is having a Mosque there so important? Did they *not* think that every bigot in the US would be up in arms over it? Was it worth the trouble/potential violence?

...really?


Should they really not build the community center in fear of a terrorist attack? Ironically, 2 blocks away from another tragic terrorist attack which occurred because of a group of people so violently intolerant of another culture?

Edit: Swapped out mosque for community center, even though it really doesn't matter.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
August 27 2010 23:25 GMT
#552
What bothers is me is that the conservative constituency is using this as an excuse to bash Obama personally. All he is doing is not stopping construction of the mosque since doing so would be unconstitutional. It's time like these that I get pretty disappointed in my country.
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Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
August 27 2010 23:33 GMT
#553
I've no protest against the mosque construction, but I imagine something else would be better. The main question that needs to be answered is "who should the building benefit?" From what i've heard, most muslims dont really care that the mosque is going up there, so it doesnt really benefit muslims that much because theres already a few mosques in the area. If the building is for the benefit of the victims of 9/11 tragedy, then maybe a memorial would have served that purpose better. If the building is for the benefit of the city's image, then the mosque does make USA look more "turn the other cheek" and moral high ground +1, but then there needs to be a more active PR campaign to broadcast that message, rather than be swarmed by the negative bigots.

Personally, i think it should have been a memorial instead, something permanent to mourn the loss of life and to celebrate the cooperative spirit that filled the empty wake of 9/11. And something to tie it back to the founding principles of the country to give the message that "they bombed us but it didnt change what made us great" kind of thing. Sadly none of that is true.
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PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
August 27 2010 23:37 GMT
#554
On August 28 2010 08:33 Railxp wrote:
I've no protest against the mosque construction, but I imagine something else would be better. The main question that needs to be answered is "who should the building benefit?" From what i've heard, most muslims dont really care that the mosque is going up there, so it doesnt really benefit muslims that much because theres already a few mosques in the area. If the building is for the benefit of the victims of 9/11 tragedy, then maybe a memorial would have served that purpose better. If the building is for the benefit of the city's image, then the mosque does make USA look more "turn the other cheek" and moral high ground +1, but then there needs to be a more active PR campaign to broadcast that message, rather than be swarmed by the negative bigots.

Personally, i think it should have been a memorial instead, something permanent to mourn the loss of life and to celebrate the cooperative spirit that filled the empty wake of 9/11. And something to tie it back to the founding principles of the country to give the message that "they bombed us but it didnt change what made us great" kind of thing. Sadly none of that is true.


Umm.. do you know whats actually going on?

1.) It is not a mosque.
2.) The building should benefit the community, it is a community center.
3.) Why in the heck should a community center far away (2 NEWYORK city blocks) from the 9/11 site, and having nothing to do with 9/11, be a MEMORIAL. It is a COMMUNITY CENTER.
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Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
August 27 2010 23:57 GMT
#555
On August 28 2010 08:33 Railxp wrote:
I've no protest against the mosque construction, but I imagine something else would be better. The main question that needs to be answered is "who should the building benefit?" From what i've heard, most muslims dont really care that the mosque is going up there, so it doesnt really benefit muslims that much because theres already a few mosques in the area. If the building is for the benefit of the victims of 9/11 tragedy, then maybe a memorial would have served that purpose better. If the building is for the benefit of the city's image, then the mosque does make USA look more "turn the other cheek" and moral high ground +1, but then there needs to be a more active PR campaign to broadcast that message, rather than be swarmed by the negative bigots.

Personally, i think it should have been a memorial instead, something permanent to mourn the loss of life and to celebrate the cooperative spirit that filled the empty wake of 9/11. And something to tie it back to the founding principles of the country to give the message that "they bombed us but it didnt change what made us great" kind of thing. Sadly none of that is true.

Yeah I have to agree with the sentiment that you haven't been following along with this news.

Do you think the community center is being built right over the site of ground zero? because it's a few blocks away. There's no way any building can span that many blocks, and we already have a memorial site for 9/11 built over the location of the original towers.

If you think that every building in a two block radius around ground zero should be demolished and converted into a memorial, then I have no reply.
xbankx
Profile Joined July 2010
703 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 01:49:35
August 28 2010 01:46 GMT
#556
On August 28 2010 08:33 Railxp wrote:
I've no protest against the mosque construction, but I imagine something else would be better. The main question that needs to be answered is "who should the building benefit?" From what i've heard, most muslims dont really care that the mosque is going up there, so it doesnt really benefit muslims that much because theres already a few mosques in the area. If the building is for the benefit of the victims of 9/11 tragedy, then maybe a memorial would have served that purpose better. If the building is for the benefit of the city's image, then the mosque does make USA look more "turn the other cheek" and moral high ground +1, but then there needs to be a more active PR campaign to broadcast that message, rather than be swarmed by the negative bigots.

Personally, i think it should have been a memorial instead, something permanent to mourn the loss of life and to celebrate the cooperative spirit that filled the empty wake of 9/11. And something to tie it back to the founding principles of the country to give the message that "they bombed us but it didnt change what made us great" kind of thing. Sadly none of that is true.



I believe there is a memorial inside the community center dedicated to the 9/11 victims(let me double check on this)

http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB10001424052748704905004575405654289175176.html
StarMasterX
Profile Joined February 2010
United States113 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 03:12:20
August 28 2010 03:11 GMT
#557
On August 28 2010 08:37 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 08:33 Railxp wrote:
I've no protest against the mosque construction, but I imagine something else would be better. The main question that needs to be answered is "who should the building benefit?" From what i've heard, most muslims dont really care that the mosque is going up there, so it doesnt really benefit muslims that much because theres already a few mosques in the area. If the building is for the benefit of the victims of 9/11 tragedy, then maybe a memorial would have served that purpose better. If the building is for the benefit of the city's image, then the mosque does make USA look more "turn the other cheek" and moral high ground +1, but then there needs to be a more active PR campaign to broadcast that message, rather than be swarmed by the negative bigots.

Personally, i think it should have been a memorial instead, something permanent to mourn the loss of life and to celebrate the cooperative spirit that filled the empty wake of 9/11. And something to tie it back to the founding principles of the country to give the message that "they bombed us but it didnt change what made us great" kind of thing. Sadly none of that is true.


Umm.. do you know whats actually going on?

1.) It is not a mosque.
2.) The building should benefit the community, it is a community center.
3.) Why in the heck should a community center far away (2 NEWYORK city blocks) from the 9/11 site, and having nothing to do with 9/11, be a MEMORIAL. It is a COMMUNITY CENTER.


I haven't read the whole thread, and I don't know every detail of this situation, but where do you get that it is a community center? Every source I've heard has called it a mosque???

Also I'm not buying the argument that it is 2 blocks away thus it has nothing to do with ground zero. 2 blocks away was close enough to be basically destroyed by the effects of the plane hitting the tower. The terroist activity certainly affected this area even if it isn't the tower itself.

Also I'd like to say I don't personally know anybody from NY who supports this (outside of the mayor). But I guess that doesn't mean much small sample size etc.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
August 28 2010 03:40 GMT
#558
On August 28 2010 08:33 Railxp wrote:
I've no protest against the mosque construction, but I imagine something else would be better. The main question that needs to be answered is "who should the building benefit?" From what i've heard, most muslims dont really care that the mosque is going up there, so it doesnt really benefit muslims that much because theres already a few mosques in the area. If the building is for the benefit of the victims of 9/11 tragedy, then maybe a memorial would have served that purpose better. If the building is for the benefit of the city's image, then the mosque does make USA look more "turn the other cheek" and moral high ground +1, but then there needs to be a more active PR campaign to broadcast that message, rather than be swarmed by the negative bigots.

Personally, i think it should have been a memorial instead, something permanent to mourn the loss of life and to celebrate the cooperative spirit that filled the empty wake of 9/11. And something to tie it back to the founding principles of the country to give the message that "they bombed us but it didnt change what made us great" kind of thing. Sadly none of that is true.


I think you think this building is going up right where the towers once stood. The actual spot where the building is going up is the location of a Burlington Coat Factory. So you're basically saying we should tear down a Burlington Coat Factory and build a 9/11 memorial 2 blocks away from the actual 9/11 memorial.
agen
Profile Joined October 2008
Barbados111 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 03:49:17
August 28 2010 03:46 GMT
#559
So the republicans voted down the first responders bill and received negative media attention. Then media focus abruptly switched to this "Ground Zero Mosque". The only reason this isn't a non-issue is because it is a distraction. The tragedy is the precedent it might set.
Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
August 28 2010 05:38 GMT
#560
remind me why the Dutch government is contribution one million euro for the construction of this thing?
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