EPTSPYTE, I'm fairly certain that the community center will be open to the public. I really doubt they will be like, "nope, no infidels allowed in our community center." All the facilities will be open to the public I'm sure.
Views on construction of Mosque at Ground Zero - Page 28
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JinNJuice
United States255 Posts
SPYTE, I'm fairly certain that the community center will be open to the public. I really doubt they will be like, "nope, no infidels allowed in our community center." All the facilities will be open to the public I'm sure. | ||
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comis
United States333 Posts
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On August 28 2010 00:47 comis wrote: I don't actually have a problem with the Mosque, but to me it's just sort of one of those "...really?" moments. Is having a Mosque there so important? Did they *not* think that every bigot in the US would be up in arms over it? Was it worth the trouble/potential violence? ...really? Seemed to be going smoothly until Fox caught wind of it. | ||
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
for everyone and anyone regardless of race, religion, sex, etc | ||
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
On August 28 2010 01:18 Offhand wrote: Seemed to be going smoothly until Fox caught wind of it. Fox actually did an interview about it on December 2009 and the general take on it seemed to be that, because if the values of reform that this group promotes, it was probably a good thing. In May, they changed their tune and started all this **omfgterroristmosque** crap. This is as much an election-driven wedge issue as anything, although the ~34% of the country that has said they'd oppose a mosque constructed anywhere in the US do seem to earnestly believe we need to "defend" ourselves from this particular religion (or all religions they don't personally like). | ||
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Uncle Leo
60 Posts
On August 28 2010 01:18 Offhand wrote: Seemed to be going smoothly until Fox caught wind of it. They were on Fox News actually in December about it, and Fox was cool with the idea. Then a right-wing blogger with Stop Islamization of America started blogging about it, and Fox did an about face. | ||
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
On August 28 2010 00:47 comis wrote: I don't actually have a problem with the Mosque, but to me it's just sort of one of those "...really?" moments. Is having a Mosque there so important? Did they *not* think that every bigot in the US would be up in arms over it? Was it worth the trouble/potential violence? ...really? You know, that's probably the best point anyone can make. It's just bad taste is all. | ||
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Osservatore
United States10 Posts
Please continue to bash fox news and promote whatever outlet you subscribe to. | ||
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
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Triscuit
United States722 Posts
On August 28 2010 00:47 comis wrote: I don't actually have a problem with the Mosque, but to me it's just sort of one of those "...really?" moments. Is having a Mosque there so important? Did they *not* think that every bigot in the US would be up in arms over it? Was it worth the trouble/potential violence? ...really? Should they really not build the community center in fear of a terrorist attack? Ironically, 2 blocks away from another tragic terrorist attack which occurred because of a group of people so violently intolerant of another culture? Edit: Swapped out mosque for community center, even though it really doesn't matter. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
Personally, i think it should have been a memorial instead, something permanent to mourn the loss of life and to celebrate the cooperative spirit that filled the empty wake of 9/11. And something to tie it back to the founding principles of the country to give the message that "they bombed us but it didnt change what made us great" kind of thing. Sadly none of that is true. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On August 28 2010 08:33 Railxp wrote: I've no protest against the mosque construction, but I imagine something else would be better. The main question that needs to be answered is "who should the building benefit?" From what i've heard, most muslims dont really care that the mosque is going up there, so it doesnt really benefit muslims that much because theres already a few mosques in the area. If the building is for the benefit of the victims of 9/11 tragedy, then maybe a memorial would have served that purpose better. If the building is for the benefit of the city's image, then the mosque does make USA look more "turn the other cheek" and moral high ground +1, but then there needs to be a more active PR campaign to broadcast that message, rather than be swarmed by the negative bigots. Personally, i think it should have been a memorial instead, something permanent to mourn the loss of life and to celebrate the cooperative spirit that filled the empty wake of 9/11. And something to tie it back to the founding principles of the country to give the message that "they bombed us but it didnt change what made us great" kind of thing. Sadly none of that is true. Umm.. do you know whats actually going on? 1.) It is not a mosque. 2.) The building should benefit the community, it is a community center. 3.) Why in the heck should a community center far away (2 NEWYORK city blocks) from the 9/11 site, and having nothing to do with 9/11, be a MEMORIAL. It is a COMMUNITY CENTER. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On August 28 2010 08:33 Railxp wrote: I've no protest against the mosque construction, but I imagine something else would be better. The main question that needs to be answered is "who should the building benefit?" From what i've heard, most muslims dont really care that the mosque is going up there, so it doesnt really benefit muslims that much because theres already a few mosques in the area. If the building is for the benefit of the victims of 9/11 tragedy, then maybe a memorial would have served that purpose better. If the building is for the benefit of the city's image, then the mosque does make USA look more "turn the other cheek" and moral high ground +1, but then there needs to be a more active PR campaign to broadcast that message, rather than be swarmed by the negative bigots. Personally, i think it should have been a memorial instead, something permanent to mourn the loss of life and to celebrate the cooperative spirit that filled the empty wake of 9/11. And something to tie it back to the founding principles of the country to give the message that "they bombed us but it didnt change what made us great" kind of thing. Sadly none of that is true. Yeah I have to agree with the sentiment that you haven't been following along with this news. Do you think the community center is being built right over the site of ground zero? because it's a few blocks away. There's no way any building can span that many blocks, and we already have a memorial site for 9/11 built over the location of the original towers. If you think that every building in a two block radius around ground zero should be demolished and converted into a memorial, then I have no reply. | ||
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xbankx
703 Posts
On August 28 2010 08:33 Railxp wrote: I've no protest against the mosque construction, but I imagine something else would be better. The main question that needs to be answered is "who should the building benefit?" From what i've heard, most muslims dont really care that the mosque is going up there, so it doesnt really benefit muslims that much because theres already a few mosques in the area. If the building is for the benefit of the victims of 9/11 tragedy, then maybe a memorial would have served that purpose better. If the building is for the benefit of the city's image, then the mosque does make USA look more "turn the other cheek" and moral high ground +1, but then there needs to be a more active PR campaign to broadcast that message, rather than be swarmed by the negative bigots. Personally, i think it should have been a memorial instead, something permanent to mourn the loss of life and to celebrate the cooperative spirit that filled the empty wake of 9/11. And something to tie it back to the founding principles of the country to give the message that "they bombed us but it didnt change what made us great" kind of thing. Sadly none of that is true. I believe there is a memorial inside the community center dedicated to the 9/11 victims(let me double check on this) http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB10001424052748704905004575405654289175176.html | ||
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StarMasterX
United States113 Posts
On August 28 2010 08:37 PanN wrote: Umm.. do you know whats actually going on? 1.) It is not a mosque. 2.) The building should benefit the community, it is a community center. 3.) Why in the heck should a community center far away (2 NEWYORK city blocks) from the 9/11 site, and having nothing to do with 9/11, be a MEMORIAL. It is a COMMUNITY CENTER. I haven't read the whole thread, and I don't know every detail of this situation, but where do you get that it is a community center? Every source I've heard has called it a mosque??? Also I'm not buying the argument that it is 2 blocks away thus it has nothing to do with ground zero. 2 blocks away was close enough to be basically destroyed by the effects of the plane hitting the tower. The terroist activity certainly affected this area even if it isn't the tower itself. Also I'd like to say I don't personally know anybody from NY who supports this (outside of the mayor). But I guess that doesn't mean much small sample size etc. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On August 28 2010 08:33 Railxp wrote: I've no protest against the mosque construction, but I imagine something else would be better. The main question that needs to be answered is "who should the building benefit?" From what i've heard, most muslims dont really care that the mosque is going up there, so it doesnt really benefit muslims that much because theres already a few mosques in the area. If the building is for the benefit of the victims of 9/11 tragedy, then maybe a memorial would have served that purpose better. If the building is for the benefit of the city's image, then the mosque does make USA look more "turn the other cheek" and moral high ground +1, but then there needs to be a more active PR campaign to broadcast that message, rather than be swarmed by the negative bigots. Personally, i think it should have been a memorial instead, something permanent to mourn the loss of life and to celebrate the cooperative spirit that filled the empty wake of 9/11. And something to tie it back to the founding principles of the country to give the message that "they bombed us but it didnt change what made us great" kind of thing. Sadly none of that is true. I think you think this building is going up right where the towers once stood. The actual spot where the building is going up is the location of a Burlington Coat Factory. So you're basically saying we should tear down a Burlington Coat Factory and build a 9/11 memorial 2 blocks away from the actual 9/11 memorial. | ||
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Barbados111 Posts
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Netherlands858 Posts
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