EPTI must say though, I'd give a lot for a watermelon or some strawberries right now.
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Jayde
Marshall Islands104 Posts
I must say though, I'd give a lot for a watermelon or some strawberries right now. | ||
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ZCfos~DangerBoy
57 Posts
On August 03 2010 20:55 CharlieMurphy wrote: The moment you realize that you didn't pay for it and make the decision not to go back and do so, you stole it. If I was you, and had a guilty conscious about it, I would just call up the store and report it to the manager. Make it seem like you are mostly just doing customer feedback on the cashier (did you catch the name?), the manager will tell you if you should come back and pay for it, or if your information is worth the loss. You need to think a bit more about the possible consequences. Doing what you proposed might make you seem less credible in a way that could make you get charged for theft. The story could go like this: You deliberately hid an item from the cashier in order to steal it. When you got home, your "guilty conscious" made you aware of your crime so you came to return (or pay for) the melon and concealed your crime by making up a story about a cashier not scanning said melon. There is no need for you to be guilty because you havent commited a crime. What happened is something that will be handled on a "civil sector". You wont be going to jail because someone else is too stupid to do his job. If you want to tell the store owner of this, just say: "Your Cashier didnt scan one of the items i bought, if you want it back you can send someone over". Dont say something else, your credibility will hurt. Of course you can also pay for the melon, but only agree to something that will not inconvenience you in any way whatsoever, because after all, the error wasnt made by you. Oh and as i said before, dont make someone lose his job over this.  | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On August 03 2010 21:41 ZCfos~DangerBoy wrote: You need to think a bit more about the possible consequences. Doing what you proposed might make you seem less credible in a way that could make you get charged for theft. The story could go like this: You deliberately hid an item from the cashier in order to steal it. When you got home, your "guilty conscious" made you aware of your crime so you came to return (or pay for) the melon and concealed your crime by making up a story about a cashier not scanning said melon. There is no need for you to be guilty because you havent commited a crime. What happened is something that will be handled on a "civil sector". You wont be going to jail because someone else is too stupid to do his job. If you want to tell the store owner of this, just say: "Your Cashier didnt scan one of the items i bought, if you want it back you can send someone over". Dont say something else, your credibility will hurt. Of course you can also pay for the melon, but only agree to something that will not inconvenience you in any way whatsoever, because after all, the error wasnt made by you. Oh and as i said before, dont make someone lose his job over this. Why would someone deliberately steal something and then call to tell the store owner it was an accident? And I'm not saying you should be guilty, but the op seems to think this way. | ||
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Inkarnate
Canada840 Posts
On August 01 2010 12:18 decafchicken wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea You must have a guilty state of mind for it to be considered a crime, you did it without intending to, not a crime. yay google. Not even close. What do you think second degree murder is? Manslaughter? Hitting someone with your car? You are criminally liable for all of these 'accidents' if you are the cause (at fault). | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
Then she felt all guilty because of the priest and tried to make things right? In the end, she got called a thief, the cashier lost her job, the IPod never got charged for anyway and was "donated" to the priest. I think there is some sort of moral lesson here. Me, I'd totally take the watermelon and run. My local food store once overcharged me a dollar for a pack of ice cream and I didn't bother to complain. It's only fair that I get a watermelon to call it even. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On August 03 2010 20:55 CharlieMurphy wrote: The moment you realize that you didn't pay for it and make the decision not to go back and do so, you stole it. If I was you, and had a guilty conscious about it, I would just call up the store and report it to the manager. Make it seem like you are mostly just doing customer feedback on the cashier (did you catch the name?), the manager will tell you if you should come back and pay for it, or if your information is worth the loss. And what if the manager demands that you come back to the store and pay for it and the cost it takes you to get there exceeds the cost for the product? You'll lose money because someone else screwed up. (Not that it's a likely scenario) It have to be a little more complicated than that. | ||
Nyovne
Netherlands19138 Posts
However while the good exists the owner can revindicate it and demand it back since title of ownership did not pass upon you taking it. | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
If the cashier accidentally charged you twice for some item, is that theft? I think what you did is fine/acceptable. A mistake was made, and there was no malicious intent. | ||
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
The actus reus was there but no mens rea, you didn't go there with the mindset that you were going to steal that watermelon, you went there with the mindset that you were going to buy what you had once you were at the cashier. Therefore you are not at fault? (i think there is a part talking about basically trying to not commit a crime but in the end committing it) I too am not a lawyer or anything like that, but I did take a grade 11 law course lol (which was years ago, so everything is rusty). :D | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
At least I'm not Bobby Kotick | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
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GrayArea
United States872 Posts
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
On August 01 2010 11:45 KwarK wrote: If you didn't knowingly leave without paying then I wouldn't hold you at all to blame. They made a basic human error, it happens and to be honest I expect the store knows it happens. They most likely have a small part of their budget marked cashier error, the cost of which is represented in miniscule increases in prices across the board. It all works out in the end. All stores also have a budget specifically marked for theft and spoiled food. Which is usually significantly higher than real figures due to often inflated crime figures in relation to supermarkets. (Ie, going by items rather than type of items and such inflating it to reflect an average cost. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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Entertaining
Canada793 Posts
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Half
United States2554 Posts
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ChaseR
Norway1004 Posts
TL thread feedback eases consciousness. Problem solved. | ||
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dogabutila
United States1438 Posts
1) That watermelon is now shrinkage. This encompasses cashier error, as well as outright theft. It basically any non-legitimate loss. (ie. didnt sell all the milk we stocked before it went out of date). 2) Why the hell did you not put the watermelon on the belt? It's not too heavy right? Cause you got it into your car, and into your house and onto the cutting board..... don't be lazy. 3) If you were going to be lazy, did you inform the cashier that you had a watermelon in your cart? If you did not, then why not? Just forgot? 4) Why did the cashier not put the items in your cart? He obviously would have seen the watermelon then. At our store, cashiers check and put the bags on the back of the register until you finish clearing out the cart. When you are done with the cart they put the stuff they check currently into the cart. Discretion to the cashier if they also want to put the stuff on the back of the register into the cart as well. Point is, the cashier should have checked your cart. Perhaps if this is not how your local grocery store does things // policy then w/e. However, speaking from both a LE-track perspective and a customer service rep (@ a grocery store no less) perspective, mistakes happen. This isn't more YOUR mistake or more THE CASHIERS mistake. Just a series of events that needed both people to do or not do certain things for the event to come out this way. Customer service isn't going to bother you for 3 dollars if you come back in for it, unless you really really want to pay for it to make yourself feel better. They will just tell you to put the watermelon up on the belt next time. Or tell the cashier about it. After you leave they might give the cashier a little bit of a hard time for not checking the cart. Legally, it is technically theft. However, the grocery store will never press charges. Not for a $3.88 watermelon. Even a police officer standing in the store watching you check out would not know if the cashier keyed it in or not without checking your receipt which he has no legal right to do (but funnily enough, store security could...). Everybody saying mens rea is not fulfilled is stupid. Mens Rea is not required for all types of crimes, nor for all situations for other crimes. Further, one could argue that not putting the watermelon on the belt and not informing the cashier is willful negligence. Then lastly, when one discovers the mistake and takes no actions to make it right, this is also the guilty mind. Basically, you do not have to have to think "I AM GOING TO STEAL THIS WATERMELON". It is possible to fulfill mens rea by deciding "I will not put this up on the belt, i'll just let him know about it", and then not letting him know about it due to just forgetting. Mens Rea is also fulfilled the instant you decide not to take corrective actions. On August 04 2010 02:24 DefMatrixUltra wrote: Turn the story around for a different perspective on the same problem. If the cashier accidentally charged you twice for some item, is that theft? I think what you did is fine/acceptable. A mistake was made, and there was no malicious intent. Actually, yes it is. This is why if you can demonstrate it to customer service they will speedily give you a refund. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
 When they ask why, "pocket change, happened to be passing by." | ||
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