Wikileaks - Page 19

On August 04 2010 10:47 Mortality wrote:
But is it actually going to end the war? I find that unlikely.

On August 04 2010 11:52 wadadde wrote:

help end the war.
help.
the thing is also that his site wasn't built to end a war.
it was designed to allow wistleblowers to disclose problems without repercussions.
that's huge and it's bound to do a lot of good in the long run if people start to feel comfortable using it.

On August 05 2010 01:03 VIB wrote:

After the publications, public opinion in US is dropping like mad. Dutch already announced they're leaving. Australia and Germany governments are being pressured to retrieve their troops. Wikileaks is saving many lives.

"President Obama sinks in polls over Afghanistan war policies"
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/08/04/2010-08-04_bam_sinks_in_polls_over_war_policies.html

"62 percent said the war is going "very" or "moderately" badly."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40586.html

"Dutch troops to leave Afghanistan"
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Dutch-troops-to-leave-Afghanistan/Article1-581429.aspx

And there's even more to come:

"There's evidence of war crimes about to be published"
- Julian Assange
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/world/12001784389660/wikileaks-more-us-docs-coming-on-afghan-war/
http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/07/31/more-wiki-leaks-to-come/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38493475/ns/us_news-security/

On August 13 2010 05:41 NukeTheBunnys wrote:


The dutch have been scheduled to leave long before the wikileaks thing ever happened. You say they are saving lives, but what about all the Afghans who are helping the US an other foreign powers that are now being targeted by the Taliban because wikileaks essentially handed them an assassination list.

On August 13 2010 05:51 travis wrote:


what assassination list is that. show me the documents, the information
or are you just saying things without knowing what you are talking about
maybe you heard it somewhere so now it's the truth and you can just repeat it?

im not saying it isn't possible, just not to act like something is the truth just because you heard it somewhere. you need more than that.

On August 13 2010 06:37 pettter wrote:
What I find interesting about this whole story is that almost every new agency is principally talking about the fact that documents were leaked by wikileaks, and how, and (infrequently) why. Seldom or never about the actual contents of the documents.

It's pretty chilling stuff to read, to be honest. The sheer amount of clusterfuck achieved by militants of every kind is frankly astounding. Afghan Army clashing with Afghan Police clashing with Coalition forces clashing with ISAF forces clashing with Taliban clashing with 'foreign fighters' clashing with warlords and every gang of bandits imaginable. Also, almost every group have internal divisions, factions, internal clusterfucks and all have friendly fire incidents en masse.

And amidst all this you have the normal people trying to make a living somehow, and meeting extortion, expulsion, violence and arbitrary intervention from every possible side.

On August 13 2010 05:41 NukeTheBunnys wrote:


The dutch have been scheduled to leave long before the wikileaks thing ever happened. You say they are saving lives, but what about all the Afghans who are helping the US an other foreign powers that are now being targeted by the Taliban because wikileaks essentially handed them an assassination list.

In theory Im not against what they did, but in practice I'm against it. If they had censored the names of the soldiers and more importantly the Afghans that are helping take down the Taliban I would probably be all for it, but when they are making it so much more dangerous for people to try and get the fundamentalist control freaks out of their country I cant support it.

This CIA "Red Cell" report from February 2, 2010, looks at what will happen if it is internationally understood that the United States is an exporter of terrorism; 'Contrary to common belief, the American export of terrorism or terrorists is not a recent phenomenon, nor has it been associated only with Islamic radicals or people of Middle Eastern, African or South Asian ethnic origin. This dynamic belies the American belief that our free, open and integrated multicultural society lessens the allure of radicalism and terrorism for US citizens.' The report looks at a number cases of US exported terrorism, including attacks by US based or financed Jewish, Muslim and Irish-nationalism terrorists. It concludes that foreign perceptions of the US as an "Exporter of Terrorism" together with US double standards in international law, may lead to noncooperation in renditions (including the arrest of CIA officers) and the decision to not share terrorism related intelligence with the United States.

While people in the US and elsewhere have been reacting to the release by WikiLeaks of classified US documents on the Afghan War, Chinese bloggers have been discussing the event in parallel with another in their own country. On July 21 in Beijing, four days before WikiLeaks published its documents, Chinese President Hu Jintao convened a high-level meeting to discuss ways to prevent leaks from the archives of the Communist Party of China.

Party archives in China exist at local, provincial, and central levels and have always been secret and extremely closely guarded. At local levels, some, in recent years, have been digitized, but at the highest levels the original paper is guarded physically, and rules of access are complex and extremely rigid.

On August 13 2010 06:46 Mohdoo wrote:



The documents include names of who has helped the U.S. by giving information about terrorist stuff. Terrorist dudes read documents, see who ratted them out, then kill them. Its not exactly "an assassination list", but all of the names on that list are people who will now be targeted by the people they ratted out.

So. Care to provide a statistic on how many people have been executed as a result of Wikileaks?

Still waiting. People have been barking up this tree the entire thread. I have no delusions, I'm sure some lives were lost as a result of this document. But how many?

The Afghanistan war logs were just the beginning. Coming as early as next week, WikiLeaks plans to disclose a new trove of military documents, this time covering some of the toughest years of the Iraq war. Up to 400,000 reports from 2004 to 2009 could be revealed this time — five times the size of the Afghan document dump.

It’s a perilous time in Iraq. Politicians are stitching together a new government. U.S. troops are supposed to leave by next December.

Pentagon leaders were furious over the Afghanistan documents, but the American public largely greeted them with yawns. Iraqis might not be so sanguine.

On July 26 2010 08:49 teamsolid wrote:
Wouldn't this give the enemy troops valuable intel and be potentially harmful to US troops in Afghanistan?

On October 17 2010 04:18 carebear91 wrote:
well.. there's only so far wiki leaks can go before they get shot in the head by somebody.