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D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
October 17 2010 11:12 GMT
#381
On October 17 2010 20:02 chongu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 04:18 carebear91 wrote:
well.. there's only so far wiki leaks can go before they get shot in the head by somebody.

The wikileaks founder guy has a guarantee for that: more unreleased sensitive documents


Oh dont worry, he is definetely not playing around, this guy is well connected, has a lot of money on his disposal, and is off the radar somewhere (my guess is island).

Hes like jigsaw irl
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
October 17 2010 11:17 GMT
#382
On October 17 2010 20:00 icystorage wrote:
are these stuff classified? coz if it is, then why leak them right? there's probably a reason they are classified

Classified status can be granted in cases of national security, or face saving. Or ass kissing those who's faces would be saved. Or other political opportunities.

Pre-empting people who say that releasing the documents is a danger to those involved in the war: First of, it is a war already. Secondly, Wikileaks has spent considerable effort censoring parts sensitive to the safety of personal human lives. If they wouldn't be busy censoring the documents themselves, for the safety of others on a personal basis, the documents would have been released already.
I <3 the internet, I <3 you
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10495 Posts
October 17 2010 12:53 GMT
#383
Pentagon leaders were furious over the Afghanistan documents, but the American public largely greeted them with yawns. Iraqis might not be so sanguine.


Truth. If there was anything interesting in these leaks they probably wouldn't leak it along with 399,999 other documents. The leaking is a bigger story than the stuff that is being leaked.
Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-17 22:54:54
October 17 2010 22:54 GMT
#384
Wikileaks' publication of 70,000 classified military documents in July did not out any critical sources of intelligence in Afghanistan, according to a letter from Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

In a letter to Senate Armed Services Committee chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) dated august 16 and obtained by CNN, Gates asserts that while the online whistleblower's publication of the documents did pose a risk to national security, it did not compromise any key sources of intel. Gates said most of the information published related to "tactical military operations."

"The initial assessment in no way discounts the risk to national security," Gates wrote. "However, the review to date has not revealed any sensitive intelligence sources and methods compromised by the disclosure."

Gates said the documents did contain the names of some Afghans who cooperate with the United States and could potentially face reprisal from the Taliban, but a NATO official told CNN there hasn't been any instances of Afghans needing protection or having to be oved because of the leak.

Gates also said the Pentagon still views the leak as likely to cause significant harm to U.S. national security and said the military is working closely with its allies to mitigate the damage. He also said there is the possibility of more documents being published, a possibility the Pentagon is bracing itself for. Military officials are holding Army Pfc. Bradley Manning in Quantico on suspicion he leaked the documents to Wikileaks.

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has said the site is in possession of more than 15,000 additional documents on the Afghan war it is planning to publish after redacting for names and other sensitive information. Wikileaks is also expected to publish roughly 400,000 documents from the Iraq war as early as next week.




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neohero9
Profile Joined May 2010
United States595 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-21 23:57:40
October 21 2010 23:56 GMT
#385
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101021/ap_on_go_ot/us_wikileaks

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration is bracing for the imminent disclosure by the WikiLeaks website of a vast cache of secret U.S. Iraq war documents, which could throw a light on some of the darkest episodes of that conflict.
WikiLeaks, a self-described whistle-blower website, is expected to post up to 400,000 documents online this week after having shared them in advance with several news organizations.
It would be the second major release of classified U.S. war reports by WikiLeaks in the past four months. In July, despite objections by the U.S. government, the international anti-secrecy group posted nearly 77,000 documents from the Afghan conflict on its website.


Dammit, last line in Hikko's post has it
I cannot stand ignorance or dismissiveness. I edit every post I make-- I've edited this sig three times in an hour.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 21:16:46
October 22 2010 21:16 GMT
#386

Despite a vigorous attempt by the Pentagon to stop WikiLeaks from releasing 400,000 pages of documents about the Iraq War, the group is going ahead with its document dump on Friday night.

The documents show that the US ignored systemic abuse, rape and even murder by Iraqi police and soldiers, reports The Guardian:

  • US authorities failed to investigate hundreds of reports of abuse, torture, rape and even murder by Iraqi police and soldiers whose conduct appears to be systematic and normally unpunished.

  • A US helicopter gunship involved in a notorious Baghdad incident had previously killed Iraqi insurgents after they tried to surrender.

  • More than 15,000 civilians died in previously unknown incidents. US and UK officials have insisted that no official record of civilian casualties exists but the logs record 66,081 non-combatant deaths out of a total of 109,000 fatalities.


Although US generals have claimed their army does not carry out body counts and British ministers still say no official statistics exist, the war logs show these claims are untrue. The field reports purport to identify all civilian and insurgent casualties, as well as numbers of coalition forces wounded and killed in action. They give a total of more than 109,000 violent deaths from all causes between 2004 and the end of 2009.


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Hans-Titan
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Denmark1711 Posts
October 22 2010 23:41 GMT
#387
They're up.

http://warlogs.wikileaks.org/
Trying is the first step towards failure, and hope is the first step towards disappointment!
Hans-Titan
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Denmark1711 Posts
October 22 2010 23:44 GMT
#388
Oh boy.

Looks like the Danish government is in some serious trouble. Illegal transfer of prisoner, knowing that they were going to be tortured, according to the memos. And this after they'd assured us this wasn't taking place.
Considering the amount of scandals this current government has been in, I really doubt it will live past next election.

Trying is the first step towards failure, and hope is the first step towards disappointment!
Brambled
Profile Joined July 2010
United States750 Posts
October 22 2010 23:55 GMT
#389
Is there a better time frame then "coming up"
Hans-Titan
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Denmark1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 23:56:23
October 22 2010 23:55 GMT
#390
On October 23 2010 08:55 Brambled wrote:
Is there a better time frame then "coming up"


http://warlogs.wikileaks.org/

EDIT: And I'm a REAVER!

What a friggin' waste of post 1500....
Trying is the first step towards failure, and hope is the first step towards disappointment!
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
October 23 2010 01:21 GMT
#391
Might wait a week or so to even try to check out the documents; they are getting hammed so hard, no chance of me even checking them out.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
October 23 2010 01:43 GMT
#392
Are the non combatant death tolls listed as 66,081 the American kills or is it total number?
lightrise
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1355 Posts
October 23 2010 02:02 GMT
#393
I didnt realize the next set of documents was coming out. I read about it somewhere last night on NY times i think. this is going to be super intense. anyone get a good look at any crazy shit yet>
Awesome german interviewer: "What was your idea going into games against Idra" "I WANTED TO USE A CHEESE STRATEGY BECAUSE IDRA IS KNOWN TO TILT AFTER LOSING TO SOMETHING GAY" Demuslim
Chelmar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States20 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 02:39:17
October 23 2010 02:37 GMT
#394
On October 23 2010 10:43 Fraidnot wrote:
Are the non combatant death tolls listed as 66,081 the American kills or is it total number?


Total. Is it surprising? "According to the reports, most Iraqi civilians were killed by other Iraqis in violence that was driven by sectarian cleansing."

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/world/war-logs.html
wadadde
Profile Joined February 2009
270 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 14:49:48
October 23 2010 11:41 GMT
#395
On October 23 2010 11:37 Chelmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 10:43 Fraidnot wrote:
Are the non combatant death tolls listed as 66,081 the American kills or is it total number?


Total. Is it surprising? "According to the reports, most Iraqi civilians were killed by other Iraqis in violence that was driven by sectarian cleansing."

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/world/war-logs.html



"David Leigh of The Guardian regards the figures given for the numbers killed as "extremely unreliable."" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
-----------------------
I think that this is one of those NYTimes paragraphs that highlight how servile this newspaper is in relation to power :

"This month, The Associated Press reported that the Pentagon in July had quietly posted its fullest tally of the death toll of Iraqi civilians and security forces ever, numbers that were first requested in 2005 through the Freedom of Information Act. It was not clear why the total — 76,939 Iraqi civilians and members of the security forces killed between January 2004 and August 2008 — was significantly less than the sum of the archive’s death count."

The US government lies constantly in order to deceive its citizens and others, but stating this and drawing conclusions from it is either too boring for "the liberal media", or it's considered distasteful to state the obvious truth from time to time. Every terrible MSM newsroom knows that all opinions are contaminated with icky bias, except for opinions expressed by those in power in the US/West.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
October 23 2010 14:10 GMT
#396
This website by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism is the most in-depth so far:

http://www.iraqwarlogs.com/

They detail:
"Members of US-funded militia turn to al Qaeda"
"15,000 new civilian deaths uncovered in files"
"Allegations of prisoner abuse by US troops after Abu Ghraib"
"US Apache guns down surrendering insurgents"
"US troops ordered not to investigate Iraqi torture"
"Obama administration handed over detainees despite reports of torture"
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
IAttackYou
Profile Joined August 2010
United States330 Posts
October 23 2010 17:51 GMT
#397
Well, every country has its shady department which protects their own interest. China and America are pretty good at hiding those things, but you can't hide everything ^^.
I'm not a nub, I'm gosu of tomorrow
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 18:09:50
October 23 2010 18:07 GMT
#398
On October 23 2010 23:10 VIB wrote:
This website by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism is the most in-depth so far:

http://www.iraqwarlogs.com/

They detail:
"Members of US-funded militia turn to al Qaeda"
"15,000 new civilian deaths uncovered in files"
"Allegations of prisoner abuse by US troops after Abu Ghraib"
"US Apache guns down surrendering insurgents"
"US troops ordered not to investigate Iraqi torture"
"Obama administration handed over detainees despite reports of torture"


Wait, was there anything 'uncovered' in these documents that was surprising given the length (in time) and scale of this conflict?

"15,000 new civilian deaths uncovered in files"

This is quite tragic, and I didn't realize that numbers that high had been documented (though I imagine others are not surprised by them). None of the rest shocks or surprises me given that this is conflict involving many tens of thousands of soldiers. No large military organization can control its members so well as to avoid such incidents.
Lord_of_Chaos
Profile Joined June 2007
Sweden372 Posts
October 23 2010 22:18 GMT
#399
What's "shocking and surprising" is how they show a lot of the information given by US officials was lies. Please note the quotation marks...

15.000 civilian deaths is not that shocking, what's shocking is that those are 15.000 previously unmentioned civilian deaths. Continued torture shouldn't surprise anyonem, but it shows once again that a country "liberating" another doesn't care for human rights, which they claim to.

Nothing is new to the thinking individual, but this proves what a lot of people suspected.
Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
October 23 2010 22:22 GMT
#400
Another day, more instances of Americans torturing people, Americans gunning down civilians, Americans bribing people to not blow the whistle on Americans torturing or killing people, etc.

One of these days Assange is going to get his cranium perforated.
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