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Easy772
Profile Joined May 2010
374 Posts
July 23 2010 20:31 GMT
#41
Yeah, I agree with all the people saying mouse+keyboard > controller .

In most games anyways.
"The best way to improve is to play one matchup on one map doing one strategy.. if you are good at one strategy you are a good player, if you are okay at many strategies you are an okay player at best" -Day[9] 181
Ranix
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States666 Posts
July 23 2010 20:42 GMT
#42
It's all about control really- PC gamers will probably always straight up beat console games with a mouse and keyboard than a controller.

I would love to see some Korean pros try out StarCraft 64 for fun though.
Legends never gg
DarQraven
Profile Joined January 2010
Netherlands553 Posts
July 23 2010 20:45 GMT
#43
On July 24 2010 05:42 Ranix wrote:
It's all about control really- PC gamers will probably always straight up beat console games with a mouse and keyboard than a controller.

I would love to see some Korean pros try out StarCraft 64 for fun though.


That would actually be pretty cool
I'd imagine that many of the units would completely change and the strategies would have to, as well.
Can't just use vultures the way they do now if you can't micro them.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
July 23 2010 20:45 GMT
#44
the FPS genre has changed for the worse because of needing to adhere to console control scheme
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
July 23 2010 20:49 GMT
#45
On July 24 2010 04:04 FragKrag wrote:
Sometimes the controls may be optimized for console play so much as well. I remember trying to play Dead Space on PC and the game was very awkward and sluggish for some reason :/

having v-sync on completely destroys this game on the PC, makes the mouse feel "drunk", the controls feel wierd, and the game overall feel slow. When it's removed though it feels much, much better.

And obviously computer gamers are going to win over console gamers. They have both more skill and a more precise and powerful method of control.
U Gotta Skate.
Ranix
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States666 Posts
July 23 2010 21:09 GMT
#46
On July 24 2010 05:45 DarQraven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 05:42 Ranix wrote:
It's all about control really- PC gamers will probably always straight up beat console games with a mouse and keyboard than a controller.

I would love to see some Korean pros try out StarCraft 64 for fun though.


That would actually be pretty cool
I'd imagine that many of the units would completely change and the strategies would have to, as well.
Can't just use vultures the way they do now if you can't micro them.


I would imagine you just 4 pool against everyone. Good luck building up a wall/microing as terran!
Legends never gg
LarJarsE
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1378 Posts
July 23 2010 21:10 GMT
#47
I am loling at that gears of war 1v1 video. I'm sorry, it just looks boring and pathetic.. .Two dudes standing feet from eachother in game.. Its just really lame and slow paced. I really appreciate the quick and dynamic aspect of pc games. I am a PC gamer. My broish friends play MW2 and Deadliest Warrior. I don't even own an up to date console platform anymore, and I own them. They take MW2 pretty seriously too, but the only advantage they have over me is knowing the maps better.
since 98'
Zapperkhan
Profile Joined October 2008
United States437 Posts
July 23 2010 21:20 GMT
#48
On July 24 2010 05:09 DarQraven wrote:

Okay, name another crossplatform game that didn't introduce nerfs to the mouse players.

It wasn't crossplatform, but UT3 for PS3 had kbm support without gimping them.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
July 23 2010 21:25 GMT
#49
I thought it was common knowledge that PC gamers killed console gamers at their childish games.
:)
afg-warrior
Profile Joined June 2007
Afghanistan328 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 21:36:28
July 23 2010 21:26 GMT
#50
On July 24 2010 04:03 travis wrote:
I've always felt like pc gamers were just more hardcore than console gamers in general. Console gamers sit on their couch and eat potato chips and drink beer. PC gamers sit right in front of their monitor and don't move for 12 hours and tweak their drivers and game settings and pee into bottles.

+ Show Spoiler +
don't take this post too seriously, though I do somewhat believe the first sentence


but the arcade gamers of back in the day...way more hardcore..who would go to arcades and get good at fighters were even more hardcore...the way they use to like line their quarters of who was next. back then there was no xbox live or playstation network so these guys who would play street fighter, tekken, virtua fighter, dead or alive, mortal kombat would get together at arcades...much more social and hardcore

On July 24 2010 06:10 larjarse wrote:
I am loling at that gears of war 1v1 video. I'm sorry, it just looks boring and pathetic.. .Two dudes standing feet from eachother in game.. Its just really lame and slow paced. I really appreciate the quick and dynamic aspect of pc games. I am a PC gamer. My broish friends play MW2 and Deadliest Warrior. I don't even own an up to date console platform anymore, and I own them. They take MW2 pretty seriously too, but the only advantage they have over me is knowing the maps better.



gears is suppose to be a tactical third person shooter....once you understand things like wallbouncing and supermanning people it becomes much more exciting.




1v1 was never that good in gears to begin with.
"Yeah fuck multiplayer I'm only in this for the xel'naga" snowdrift86
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
July 23 2010 21:34 GMT
#51
I wish they kept this alive cause I think people would play on the PC more and more for games like MW. I think all the Console gamers would be tired of getting shit on by pc gamers. And they would just go buy a PC cause they cant compete.
if you can believe you can concieve
DarQraven
Profile Joined January 2010
Netherlands553 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 21:40:09
July 23 2010 21:34 GMT
#52
On July 24 2010 06:20 Zapperkhan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 05:09 DarQraven wrote:

Okay, name another crossplatform game that didn't introduce nerfs to the mouse players.

It wasn't crossplatform, but UT3 for PS3 had kbm support without gimping them.


It also had 10% reduced gamespeed compared to the PC version and still featured autoaim for controllers. Also, there were options to make controller-only servers and basically EVERYONE used them.
(Ex-avid UT player)

By the way, the reason I am actively discussing this is not because I want recognition for playing on the master platform or something. I don't need the e-peen.
Thing is, an initiative like this would open console player's eyes to the reality of the situation: PC isn't as stupid as many of them think it is. If, somehow, more console players started demanding KBAM support in their games, then game developers would be more free to make fast-paced shooter games again.

The last high profile one was UT3, and it released in 2007. Quake Live is a rehash of a ten year old game (although admittedly still the gold standard of arena shooters), and besides that there's only small indie projects like Nexuiz and Warsow. Personally I got VERY bored with modern FPS's because they simply offer no challenge anymore. Positioning and formation is only one aspect of the genre, yet that's what all the modern games are focusing on. Everything relating to aim and movement skills, as well as map control is completely removed.

The rise of the consoles has had a terrible, terrible (c) effect on FPS games in general, and I'd love to see that change.
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
July 23 2010 21:37 GMT
#53
Man, these movies take me back to my UT days.

So much high octane insanity.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 21:40:29
July 23 2010 21:40 GMT
#54
On July 24 2010 06:26 afg-warrior wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 04:03 travis wrote:
I've always felt like pc gamers were just more hardcore than console gamers in general. Console gamers sit on their couch and eat potato chips and drink beer. PC gamers sit right in front of their monitor and don't move for 12 hours and tweak their drivers and game settings and pee into bottles.

+ Show Spoiler +
don't take this post too seriously, though I do somewhat believe the first sentence


but the arcade gamers of back in the day...way more hardcore..who would go to arcades and get good at fighters were even more hardcore...the way they use to like line their quarters of who was next. back then there was no xbox live or playstation network so these guys who would play street fighter, tekken, virtua fighter, dead or alive, mortal kombat would get together at arcades...much more social and hardcore


well, i agree, arcade gamers are hardcore too lol. also given the nature of arcade games they have to be serious or they waste their money
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
July 23 2010 21:43 GMT
#55
PC vs console in FPS is exactly like formula 1 vs go karts.
Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
July 23 2010 22:04 GMT
#56
On July 24 2010 06:37 Bibdy wrote:
Man, these movies take me back to my UT days.

So much high octane insanity.


No joke, UT2004 for lief
"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." - Aldous Huxley
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
July 23 2010 22:08 GMT
#57
On July 24 2010 04:11 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Let me know when a console player can do this



Lol really? I'm huge on CS but that is a random shot... I've seen complete noobs get shots like that. Watch some Halo3 tournament play and you can see the same thing, or youtube and you can see noobs get lucky shots.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
DarQraven
Profile Joined January 2010
Netherlands553 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-23 22:10:38
July 23 2010 22:09 GMT
#58
On July 24 2010 07:08 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 04:11 ZlaSHeR wrote:
Let me know when a console player can do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diPonkYH0iU


Lol really? I'm huge on CS but that is a random shot... I've seen complete noobs get shots like that. Watch some Halo3 tournament play and you can see the same thing, or youtube and you can see noobs get lucky shots.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3520996425810543110#
Saturnize
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2473 Posts
July 23 2010 22:11 GMT
#59
On July 24 2010 06:40 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 06:26 afg-warrior wrote:
On July 24 2010 04:03 travis wrote:
I've always felt like pc gamers were just more hardcore than console gamers in general. Console gamers sit on their couch and eat potato chips and drink beer. PC gamers sit right in front of their monitor and don't move for 12 hours and tweak their drivers and game settings and pee into bottles.

+ Show Spoiler +
don't take this post too seriously, though I do somewhat believe the first sentence


but the arcade gamers of back in the day...way more hardcore..who would go to arcades and get good at fighters were even more hardcore...the way they use to like line their quarters of who was next. back then there was no xbox live or playstation network so these guys who would play street fighter, tekken, virtua fighter, dead or alive, mortal kombat would get together at arcades...much more social and hardcore


well, i agree, arcade gamers are hardcore too lol. also given the nature of arcade games they have to be serious or they waste their money


So then buying a game would also be wasting money?
"Time to put the mustard on the hotdog. -_-"
vindKtiv
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States215 Posts
July 23 2010 22:12 GMT
#60
On July 24 2010 06:34 DarQraven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2010 06:20 Zapperkhan wrote:
On July 24 2010 05:09 DarQraven wrote:

Okay, name another crossplatform game that didn't introduce nerfs to the mouse players.

It wasn't crossplatform, but UT3 for PS3 had kbm support without gimping them.


It also had 10% reduced gamespeed compared to the PC version and still featured autoaim for controllers. Also, there were options to make controller-only servers and basically EVERYONE used them.
(Ex-avid UT player)

By the way, the reason I am actively discussing this is not because I want recognition for playing on the master platform or something. I don't need the e-peen.
Thing is, an initiative like this would open console player's eyes to the reality of the situation: PC isn't as stupid as many of them think it is. If, somehow, more console players started demanding KBAM support in their games, then game developers would be more free to make fast-paced shooter games again.

The last high profile one was UT3, and it released in 2007. Quake Live is a rehash of a ten year old game (although admittedly still the gold standard of arena shooters), and besides that there's only small indie projects like Nexuiz and Warsow. Personally I got VERY bored with modern FPS's because they simply offer no challenge anymore. Positioning and formation is only one aspect of the genre, yet that's what all the modern games are focusing on. Everything relating to aim and movement skills, as well as map control is completely removed.

The rise of the consoles has had a terrible, terrible (c) effect on FPS games in general, and I'd love to see that change.

I definitely agree. However, in the end, making video games is a business. Why make less money catering to the hardcore, when you can make tons and tons of money by catering to the casuals? Why make a hardcore shooter like Quake or Unreal when all the casual gamers want more MW2? And on top of that, the PC gamers actually expect quality (imagine that). You can't just throw out a game with a huge marketing budget and expect PC gamers to bite. On the other hand, any game with a huge marketing hype will almost definitely get you somewhere on the consoles. Also, because the quality of the games are so poor, console gamers usually feel the need to buy a game every month. Because of that, you can make even more money by making more and more crap console games.

It isn't a definitive guide to the industry, but rather general trends that I see. There just aren't enough of hardcore gamers to give us a good voice in the industry.
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