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It seems like Starcraft is gaining greater public visibility. Asylum even published a quaint article of twelve things about Starcraft you probably didn't know (but I'm fairly certain most people on these forums before 2008 know all of them lol).
http://www.asylum.com/2010/07/22/starcraft-history-12-facts/
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I've also seen some SC2 commercials on TV that appeals to the 18-35 male demographic (Comedy Central, etc.). There's also been an increase in interest among some of my friends who had never played BW before, but are getting interested in the franchise because of the release of SC2.
Has anyone else experienced anything similar?
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It's a trend that's been going on for a very long time now. It's now "cool" to play Halo, MW and Madden. It follows that gaming in general is now cool and not limited to the stereotypic antisocial nerd in the basement with Cheeto dust down his shirt. Why not Starcraft? Because it's too smart for the average jarhead point and click noob toober? I don't think so. Starcraft is going to be cool this time around.
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I was here in 2009 and I know all of it. I was introduced to the proscene at around 2008 though.
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SC2 is appearing in digg so its natural for people to ask about sc1... in other communities like taringa there has been a rise in interest in sc1 but its also full of that 18-35 male demographic and they are very nostalgic about things...
number 4 can be the only unheard of the bunch..
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Lol yeah, all those are totally new and unseen facts lol. The only one I haven't seen before is no.4. Here is australia it still isn't getting far into the general culture, haven't heard/seen a single tv add. But anywhere even vaguely gaming related there's a ton of SC2 exposure.
On a side note, no.3 is odd. Of course there are no plans for it on console, how on earth do you expect to play SC2 on console?
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I knew all of it and I haven't even been a member for a year yet! <3 SC :D
Anyways,
I haven't been able to expierience anything similar to what you encountered except for the SCII commercials(on youtube titled "SCII commercial") because starcraft was never advertised very much in New Jersey and most of the kids I know are like "only a few kids play that, it must not be that good cause it isn't popular here and I never heard of it before". Its quite sad really 
edit: some kids play WOW/WC3 and they never heard of SC or Diablo -.- I just shake my head and walk away when I hear that.
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Yeah SC2 is helping with starcraft's visibility. one of my friends played starcraft 1 a little but was never interested in anything but money maps. but now he's watching all the big sc2 tournament videos and he just told me he finished watching all the videos on husky's youtube.
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alright, number four wasn't known, but not very exciting to me either.
mind boggling 300apm? i can keep 300 apm for well over... 5 minutes...
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As long as Blizzard doesn't water down things for more casual players, I don't care. This game will be the bomb!
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Im constantly seeing commercials on syfy every day..
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On July 23 2010 14:02 Coagulation wrote: Im constantly seeing commercials on syfy every day..
in between all the bad movies?
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What starcraft videos have over a million views? Never seen one before :o
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Im all for more people understanding and accepting high level RTS games. But, commercialization of things is not always all positive return. The general public are not a wise people. Sometimes i have sat back and thought how great it would be to have the whole world dig esports and watch Jaedong etc. Commercialization can be like kool-aid: too much water and its ruined. Im not trying to be negative about things though, hopefully it turns out awesome. BUT...
Be careful what you wish for.
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wow.. that article should tell me something i don't know already
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i know what you're talking about, basically all my male associates who don't even play starcraft are suddenly hyping it up and saying that they're camping out side stores for that shit on midnight july 27th. they didn't even play the beta either lol
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On July 23 2010 14:11 Bebop07 wrote: What starcraft videos have over a million views? Never seen one before :o ... if i werent in china i'd be sending you links.
search up stuff like boxer's plays, starcraft highlights, pimpest plays, VODs of finals, or commentaries of finals. stuff that that usually have the highest views, though i can't check right now.
and VODs usually have views spread across a ton of the same video uploaded many times.
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I love the giant plane advertisements.
Blizzard Employee: Sir, we've officially run out of billboards to advertise on for SC2 in South Korea. Head of Marketing: Hmm... That is a problem. Commericals? Employee: Already have that. SC2 on the commercials and BW for the shows. HoM: Press coverage? Employee: Did that. Sorta. Real ID didn't work out, but it's coverage. HoM: Random benches? Employee: Did that. HoM: Propaganda? Employee: We've had an entire contest hosted just for that. HoM: Well, what other big empty canvass can we use to slap on a Starcraft 2 logo? *looks outside the window and sees a plane overhead* HoM: Hmm....
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I have noticed that Starcraft trailers and commentaries are making the top 20 videos viewed on youtube for the last couple of months.
edit: most viewed video on youtube today? Ghost of The Past Trailer.
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On July 23 2010 14:08 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 14:02 Coagulation wrote: Im constantly seeing commercials on syfy every day..
in between all the bad movies?
hahahaha... the starcraft commerical is > 90% of syfy content...
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Hopefully E-Sports become as popular as they are in Korea. The main thing I hate about games is the inability to make money, as awesome and fun as SC2 is (or any game) that feeling of wasting time is still there (although I got my 1st job through games, and another as a QA for Sega, and several game studies, heh). Plus if you can make money off it chicks will like it AMIRITE!!!
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Never knew #4 =o that's pretty cool. Wonder if practicing up there for a year is better than practicing down here for a year =]
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a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500
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Why does this make me RAGE???
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On July 23 2010 15:13 goldenhorseshoe wrote: Hi guys,
I'm not wonder that starcraft gaining greater visibbility of many gamers like me. We all know that starcraft1 makes noise when it's first release a decade ago, then many people waiting for the new release of starcraft2 even though that's the game needs to be fix......
*link removed by fakesteve don't sign up here to advertise*
What???
On topic, a lot of non-RTS players have been approaching me about SC2, although I doubt many will keep playing once they realize how difficult it really is.
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Of course Jaedong isn't exactly comparable to Lebron James since the former actually wins championships, but I'll let that one slide.
I never knew it "only" sold 9.5 million copies, it makes me wonder if everyone predicting that millions will be sold instantly are wrong.
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On July 23 2010 15:16 DrTJEckleburg wrote: Of course Jaedong isn't exactly comparable to Lebron James since the former actually wins championships, but I'll let that one slide.
I never knew it "only" sold 9.5 million copies, it makes me wonder if everyone predicting that millions will be sold instantly are wrong.
I am pretty sure its more like 11 million. o.O;
Edit:source:http://www.next-gen.biz/news/blizzard-confirms-one-frontline-release-09
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lol #4 is funny. Didnt know about that.
About the fact that some people are interested in sc1, I dont really know. But what I can say is that there's a shitload of former players who are playing the game again before the release of sc2. I saw people I hadn't seen for years on europe bnet, and even my colleagues at office who've been casual players at the release of the game are playing it again now, 10 years later :D
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I also see a lot of people watching the new campaign trailer on youtube i think its the most watched video today or something .... i think its going to lessen once the launch is over, sc2 or bw for that matter is more for the hardcore gamer. its not halo or mw2 you can't click and shoot it takes some skill or you lose alot ... the average gamer/casual gamer is not going to have the patience, i can't see many of my friends who play games like that will be interested in sc2.
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This is the activlizzard spewing millions into marketing. some will stick around for another 12 years but most will just but the game because they see it on TV, play 6 campaign missions, then decide the game is either boring or too hard to play (on BNET).
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I didn't know about the taking the game into space one (number 4). Cute I guess.
I always love when I hear the word "zerg" used by non SC players. The word is spreading and one day I fully expect to see it in a regular dictionary (already in urban)!
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As of now there are no plans to bring "StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty" to the Xbox360, PS3 or Wii. Such a mind-boggling fact. lmao
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On July 23 2010 15:58 On_Slaught wrote: I didn't know about the taking the game into space one (number 4). Cute I guess.
I always love when I hear the word "zerg" used by non SC players. The word is spreading and one day I fully expect to see it in a regular dictionary (already in urban)!
i missed the space thing too! can you play starcraft in space? i imagine it would be hard....
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Bleh, even though there is all this hype now about sc2. I doubt many of the non-RTS players who buy the game will stick to it for more than a month.
And it actually annoys me whenever I hear the word "zerg" used by non SC players. They talk like they know what they're talking about.
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I thought "kekeke" WAS from the Starcraft community, seeing how it's Korean and all
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The only one I didn't know about was #4, and I knew that Korean Pros bank I just didn't know the exact amount. But it is still nice to see how much SC2 is being publicized.
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sc2 commercials have got some of my friends excited they're thinking of getting it <3
they're all coming to me "YOU PLAY STARCRAFT RIGHTTT?"
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My friends independantly learned quite a bit about SC2 without my intervention. I offered them beta keys but then forgot but they will probably buy it anyway.
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All my friends are asking me about SC2 (and sometimes, BW) now because I'm korean :3
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I seen a Starcraft 2 poster at my local Wal-Mart. I doubt that poster will have much effect because I live in deep south Louisiana. lol
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On July 23 2010 17:44 serenidite wrote: sc2 commercials have got some of my friends excited they're thinking of getting it <3 they're all coming to me "YOU PLAY STARCRAFT RIGHTTT?"
I hope you give out a wise chuckle and pat them on their eager heads and say "Starcraft? Let me tell you something about starcraft...", as they listen their eyes will glisten and a new seed of gaming was planted that day.
Starcraft 2 to the masses!
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jesus boesthius must be a pro gamer then
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"Korean player Lee Yun-Yeol is the LeBron James of professional gaming..."
Uh, Lebron James doesn't have a championship yet..
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On July 23 2010 13:39 Empyrean wrote: I've also seen some SC2 commercials on TV that appeals to the 18-35 male demographic (Comedy Central, etc.). There's also been an increase in interest among some of my friends who had never played BW before, but are getting interested in the franchise because of the release of SC2.
im thinking it's party due to the merger with activision and partly due to blizzard waking up to the idea of making eSPORTS come alive after seeing it done in korea.
mainstream advertising is now something that is done by blizzard (as we've seen witih wow commercials).
with activision's directives wanting to squeeze as much money, and that they are more regular corporate types, rather than the gamer company blizzard, they are likely to use and push and seal the deal with mainstream advertising.
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hm... incoming waves of new blood noobs to bnet for me to slaughter =)
favorite part:
7) "StarCraft II" is Only the Beginning Like many big-budget video game releases these days ("Mass Effect," "God of War"), "Starcraft II" is the first part of a trilogy. If history is any indication, you can look forward to "StarCraft III" in 2021. By then you'll be playing it on a hovering virtual display projected from tiny cameras implanted in your eyeballs.
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On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote: a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500
Don't talk bullshit. NaDa himself said a progamers APM is around 300. Look at all FlaSh replays at gosugamers.net always +/- 300
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4) "StarCraft" Has Seen the Vast Emptiness of Space Astronaut Daniel Barry took one giant leap for nerd-kind by bringing a copy of "StarCraft" with him into space. Reveling in the inherent irony of bringing a video game about killing evil space bugs along while you actually circle Earth in a spaceship, the developers requested the intergalactic game CD and now keep it at Blizzard HQ.
Probably the only thing on that list I wasn't aware of.
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Think it's time for SC to get it's own cable tv channel here.
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On July 23 2010 21:19 butchji wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote: a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500 Don't talk bullshit. NaDa himself said a progamers APM is around 300. Look at all FlaSh replays at gosugamers.net always +/- 300
Many casual gamers also have around 300 APM.
I think by.hero is the progamer who has the highest consistent APM. But yeah, most progamers also hover at the 300 range.
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Wait, when did we get "numerous expansion packs"
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I've been part of the scene for less then a year and I knew all of that...
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On July 23 2010 18:03 Whole wrote: I seen a Starcraft 2 poster at my local Wal-Mart. I doubt that poster will have much effect because I live in deep south Louisiana. lol
Well if they saw the ghost of the past trailer they would be like "hey these space marines sound just like us" :x
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Jut thought I'd mention that the commercials have been playing frequently on EPSN as well.
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SC2 is advertised on most of the most commercial tv channels in the UK too. Looks like the game's going to be huge.
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On July 24 2010 03:51 Joey.rumz wrote: Jut thought I'd mention that the commercials have been playing frequently on EPSN as well. and MTV!
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They've been all over. My friends keep on reminding me they're coming out with a dumb sequel to that stupid warcraft game I used to always play
durp durp durp
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On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote: a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500
If you are c- with 290 avg apm, most of your actions are unnecessary spamming, sorry man.
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On July 23 2010 18:16 nerium wrote:"Korean player Lee Yun-Yeol is the LeBron James of professional gaming..." Uh, Lebron James doesn't have a championship yet.. 
But he gets paid a lot. Quick result from google
Anyway, SC FOR LIFE.
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Unfortunately I haven't experienced anything like this, but at the same time I'm confident that's the case.
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On July 24 2010 06:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote: a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500 If you are c- with 290 avg apm, most of your actions are unnecessary spamming, sorry man. If you are not c- with 290 avg apm, many of your actions are unnecessary spamming. Pros spam rally too from what I understand.
In fact if Flash wasted no wasted apm, and averaged 290, he'd be more effective than he is now.
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On July 23 2010 21:19 butchji wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote: a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500 Don't talk bullshit. NaDa himself said a progamers APM is around 300. Look at all FlaSh replays at gosugamers.net always +/- 300
..a lot of iccup players even at D level have very high apm, its actually not rare for C//++ players to have above or around 300 apm.
On July 24 2010 06:48 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 06:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote: a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500 If you are c- with 290 avg apm, most of your actions are unnecessary spamming, sorry man. If you are not c- with 290 avg apm, many of your actions are unnecessary spamming. Pros spam rally too from what I understand. In fact if Flash wasted no wasted apm, and averaged 290, he'd be more effective than he is now.
what do you mean he'd be more effective than he is now? as an apm/eapm ratio, or actually a better player, because it has obviously nothing to do with being better or worst..
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On July 24 2010 06:57 404.TooEz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 21:19 butchji wrote:On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote: a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500 Don't talk bullshit. NaDa himself said a progamers APM is around 300. Look at all FlaSh replays at gosugamers.net always +/- 300 ..a lot of iccup players even at D level have very high apm, its actually not rare for C//++ players to have above or around 300 apm. My peak was 175 i dont think i spamed i just went through my hatchery alot. So yeah im not surprised if a terran or a zerg player have over 200
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#4 I had no idea about, kinda cool!
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On July 23 2010 14:08 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 14:02 Coagulation wrote: Im constantly seeing commercials on syfy every day..
in between all the bad movies?
OMG lolol I really laughed for a good 3 minutes d00d.
Btw I was c- on iCCup and had 280-330 APM consistently and it wasn't just spam. In late game you can have 400+ without even spamming because of intense macro and huge army battles. It's funny when people who have around 20 apm think they know everything about everything. gtfo now plz kthxbye.
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It's kinda sad that I actually knew all of what the article had to say about SC II.
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did not know about it going into space... 300apm ZOMG ZomGASOGJASDJDSlgLfqwlk3ryq f*RY(F*OSIDL!!!!!!
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On July 24 2010 06:57 404.TooEz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 21:19 butchji wrote:On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote: a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500 Don't talk bullshit. NaDa himself said a progamers APM is around 300. Look at all FlaSh replays at gosugamers.net always +/- 300 ..a lot of iccup players even at D level have very high apm, its actually not rare for C//++ players to have above or around 300 apm. Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 06:48 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:On July 24 2010 06:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote: a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500 If you are c- with 290 avg apm, most of your actions are unnecessary spamming, sorry man. If you are not c- with 290 avg apm, many of your actions are unnecessary spamming. Pros spam rally too from what I understand. In fact if Flash wasted no wasted apm, and averaged 290, he'd be more effective than he is now. what do you mean he'd be more effective than he is now? as an apm/eapm ratio, or actually a better player, because it has obviously nothing to do with being better or worst.. I was trying to avoid using the term eapm since it's hard to say what actions are useful, but yeah. If he didn't spam at all and averaged 290 apm he'd be able to do far more things and micro far better than he does now.
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I thought BW chart already filtered out most of the spam for the first two minutes, or are people talking about spamming in the middle of a game? Isn't that counter-productive? No one cares about apm, it's all about the win baby!
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Starcraft II is in the latest issue of time magazine. The one about summer holiday being eliminated. Second to last page.
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Battle.net, Blizzard's free online gaming service..
Good one
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On July 24 2010 02:17 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 21:19 butchji wrote:On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote: a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500 Don't talk bullshit. NaDa himself said a progamers APM is around 300. Look at all FlaSh replays at gosugamers.net always +/- 300 Many casual gamers also have around 300 APM. I think by.hero is the progamer who has the highest consistent APM. But yeah, most progamers also hover at the 300 range. Difference is, the progamers know what to do with all those actions
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wow, SC was played IN SPACE. only one i didnt know.
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I don't think it was played in space, I thought an astronaut just took a copy of it up to space.
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On July 24 2010 06:57 404.TooEz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2010 21:19 butchji wrote:On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote: a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500 Don't talk bullshit. NaDa himself said a progamers APM is around 300. Look at all FlaSh replays at gosugamers.net always +/- 300 ..a lot of iccup players even at D level have very high apm, its actually not rare for C//++ players to have above or around 300 apm. Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 06:48 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:On July 24 2010 06:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote: a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500 If you are c- with 290 avg apm, most of your actions are unnecessary spamming, sorry man. If you are not c- with 290 avg apm, many of your actions are unnecessary spamming. Pros spam rally too from what I understand. In fact if Flash wasted no wasted apm, and averaged 290, he'd be more effective than he is now. what do you mean he'd be more effective than he is now? as an apm/eapm ratio, or actually a better player, because it has obviously nothing to do with being better or worst..
I seriously don't care what those iccup C- players do. I just said it's bullshit that those progamers have 500 APM and that this article has no clue by claiming they have "only" 300.
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On July 24 2010 08:43 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 06:57 404.TooEz wrote:On July 23 2010 21:19 butchji wrote:On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote: a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500 Don't talk bullshit. NaDa himself said a progamers APM is around 300. Look at all FlaSh replays at gosugamers.net always +/- 300 ..a lot of iccup players even at D level have very high apm, its actually not rare for C//++ players to have above or around 300 apm. On July 24 2010 06:48 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:On July 24 2010 06:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote: a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500 If you are c- with 290 avg apm, most of your actions are unnecessary spamming, sorry man. If you are not c- with 290 avg apm, many of your actions are unnecessary spamming. Pros spam rally too from what I understand. In fact if Flash wasted no wasted apm, and averaged 290, he'd be more effective than he is now. what do you mean he'd be more effective than he is now? as an apm/eapm ratio, or actually a better player, because it has obviously nothing to do with being better or worst.. I was trying to avoid using the term eapm since it's hard to say what actions are useful, but yeah. If he didn't spam at all and averaged 290 apm he'd be able to do far more things and micro far better than he does now.
im really sorry but this is completely wrong. firstly, its impossible to know at which point flash is "spamming", whether it is between the initial BO, during/before/after a battle, while during/before/after macroing, etc. it is in many players nature to spam random keys at times where it is irrelevant, but when actual micro occurs, players, such as flash, will obviously not continue spamming rather than actually control his units. In any case I think that you are completely wrong ^.^, but I would really enjoy hearing what your logic behind that actually was, rather than a vague "if he didnt spam, he could get more done"
On July 24 2010 15:26 butchji wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 06:57 404.TooEz wrote:On July 23 2010 21:19 butchji wrote:On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote: a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500 Don't talk bullshit. NaDa himself said a progamers APM is around 300. Look at all FlaSh replays at gosugamers.net always +/- 300 ..a lot of iccup players even at D level have very high apm, its actually not rare for C//++ players to have above or around 300 apm. On July 24 2010 06:48 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:On July 24 2010 06:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On July 23 2010 14:40 mOnion wrote: a MIND BOGGLING 300 APM!!!!
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i've hit 290 avg in games and i'm c- someone tell them the correct answer is 500 If you are c- with 290 avg apm, most of your actions are unnecessary spamming, sorry man. If you are not c- with 290 avg apm, many of your actions are unnecessary spamming. Pros spam rally too from what I understand. In fact if Flash wasted no wasted apm, and averaged 290, he'd be more effective than he is now. what do you mean he'd be more effective than he is now? as an apm/eapm ratio, or actually a better player, because it has obviously nothing to do with being better or worst.. I seriously don't care what those iccup C- players do. I just said it's bullshit that those progamers have 500 APM and that this article has no clue by claiming they have "only" 300.
Progamers do not have 500 APM, maybe except for like by.hero or something, and most are far below the 400 APM mark. Would you pay attention instead of making up random numbers, there are often times when they display the stats of a previous game or w/e that the players had played, and I think this is for both OSL/MSL, and mostly avg 300+/-.
I hope I didnt bump this for nothing ^^
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nice find thanks for sharing
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i just pray that sc2 doesnt become the cs:s of cs mayne. i think i'm the only person who is sad that sc2 is finally happening. long live GARIMTO!
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Didn't read the whole thread so don't know if anyone else pointed this out but isn't 70 wpm technically more than 300 apm?
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On July 23 2010 13:55 Deadlyhazard wrote: As long as Blizzard doesn't water down things for more casual players, I don't care. This game will be the bomb!
Wholeheartedly agree with this.
On July 23 2010 18:16 nerium wrote:"Korean player Lee Yun-Yeol is the LeBron James of professional gaming..." Uh, Lebron James doesn't have a championship yet.. 
Britney Spears has sold more albums than Mozart. And?
Edit: Please delete my 2 below posts. Internet was throwing a fit.
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I think people exaggerate how much "Casual gamers" will be scared off by starcraft... I mean, the campaign is great for them, same with UMS maps, and the 2v2/3v3/4v4 games are pretty laid-back and easy.
remember, all of us were addicted to Starcraft when we were like, 10 years old.
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On July 25 2010 18:51 Gorguts wrote: I think people exaggerate how much "Casual gamers" will be scared off by starcraft... I mean, the campaign is great for them, same with UMS maps, and the 2v2/3v3/4v4 games are pretty laid-back and easy.
this i totally agree with. many people will be totally happy trying to get first in their silver division and as stupid as it sounds even changes like scrapping copper so evryone atleast has a "medal metal" help with this. people will have tons of fun with the xVx stuff and the undoubtly huge UMS scene.
also dont forget that other rts are also played online by casuals and some more dedicated people.many of them will come into sc2. plus wc3 was also was played by pretty much evryone for some time.
remember, all of us were addicted to Starcraft when we were like, 10 years old.
we were different gamers back then. we played manly games like jagged alliance,fallout,baldurs gate,system shock etc. we had a different mindset then todays xboxlive kids which worship evry crappy CoD/Halo iteration.
but atleast there are now way more "gamers" and sc2 def has the power to suck in and turn over quite some of them.
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I've only been here for a couple of months but I had at least heard of every single one except #4
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Due to Blizzard's matchmaking system this time around, I think that multiplayer could become quite popular. With such a large pool of players (much larger than beta), you'll almost always be guaranteed a fair fight when you hit that Find Match button.
In addition, Blizzard has put together a gorgeous new website http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/game/ that I imagine must look extremely inviting to new players. They've also constructed offline challenges and achievements that ease the transition to multiplayer, and presented it all in a very slick package.
I'm a programmer not a marketer so I usually reflexively thumb my nose at this marketing stuff, but I am really very impressed.
edit: vary -> very
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I live in Canada and have not seen a single SC2 commercial on TV, this is very surprising.
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I live in Norway, and a couple of weeks ago there was a Starcraft-news on one of the biggest. Never seen anything like it before. It was an old video of Boxer showing off his APM
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Just today in the car with my girlfriends brother who was talking about videogames he'd played lately I happened to mention id been playing alot of Starcraft2. He went on to say howd he recently "read something about it and North Korea.. Sorry South Korea.. obviously not the North."
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On July 25 2010 11:24 Echo515 wrote: Didn't read the whole thread so don't know if anyone else pointed this out but isn't 70 wpm technically more than 300 apm?
Apples and Oranges comparison.
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On July 25 2010 11:24 Echo515 wrote: Didn't read the whole thread so don't know if anyone else pointed this out but isn't 70 wpm technically more than 300 apm? 70 wpm = 350 apm
However you can't compare them to each other because the other one is mostly reactionary and the other you know in advance what buttons you're supposed to be pressing. Also when writing you're using both of your hands on the kb which obviously matters as well.
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On July 23 2010 15:16 DrTJEckleburg wrote: Of course Jaedong isn't exactly comparable to Lebron James since the former actually wins championships, but I'll let that one slide.
I never knew it "only" sold 9.5 million copies, it makes me wonder if everyone predicting that millions will be sold instantly are wrong.
You're forgetting all the pirated copies
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I just saw on some investment/economic news program they did a segment on SC2 and how much Activision plans to make off of it. They then compared it to WoW and the anticipated profits off of Cataclysm.
When they cut back to the hosts one of the girls was like "I have no idea what any of that meant!" I guess years of economics can't prepare you for the arrival of Starcraft.
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