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piratekaybear
Profile Joined June 2008
United States50 Posts
July 18 2010 03:36 GMT
#201
Intense OP..
I'm pretty thankful for the shit i've got. Thanks for the illuminating post.
The_Pacifist
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 03:36:50
July 18 2010 03:36 GMT
#202
Wow. When I clicked the thread, at first I was like "Oh, no way. Where's the tl;dr?" But I started reading anyways and ended up reading all of it.

Really, what light is there at the end of the tunnel for guys like that? Rehabilitated or not, with your record tainted like that, there's really nothing left for you. No one's gonna want you working for them. A university degree and he considers himself lucky to get a job offer as a window washer in another city but can't even take that because of the conditions of his parole? Man, there really are no second chance to "rehabilitate" or "integrate back into society," and these guys all know it.

And then there are people who born into cycles like this... Ugh, human society...
dl2agon
Profile Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
July 18 2010 03:43 GMT
#203
Damn, I had no idea..
Versita
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1032 Posts
July 18 2010 03:46 GMT
#204
wow this was a great read. took me a while to figure out what contrapedophile was though... i'm guessing there's a filter on that board where pedophile=band?
Havefaith
Profile Joined June 2010
90 Posts
July 18 2010 03:53 GMT
#205
Great read, thanks for sharing.
Triscuit
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States722 Posts
July 18 2010 04:06 GMT
#206
Pretty much scared me shitless. Very interesting look at some of the stuff the National Geographic shows don't tell you about. I've never heard, nor would have ever imagined, the "opening a hole" thing in prisons. Wow.

And I think the shit-poor rehabilitation odds have a bit to do with the social stigma (not saying it's undeserved) towards prisoners. How difficult it must be to get a real job being an ex-con. Pretty much all you have left is crime or dealing or the shittiest jobs you can imagine.

And I would read a book by this guy. I wouldn't be ashamed at all, because he really is a talented writer and this shit really needs to be known. If we just shut out any information offered by any ex-con, we could be missing some of the most interesting and possibly educational information out there. For the sake of "not rewarding someone for committing a crime." Who the fuck cares? Why are you guys so intent on ex-cons never ever being able to contribute to society?
plan3t
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada75 Posts
July 18 2010 04:08 GMT
#207
Just finished the entire thing.
Great read.
Thank you.
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
July 18 2010 04:46 GMT
#208
Spent the last 2 hours reading this and it was an amazing story, i actually felt sick when i read about the life he had before he went in, so many opportunities that just went down the shitter, now he has to try and find a job, which is hard enough as it is these days, but he's gonna have to do it with a criminal record.

Also, seeing Amnesia's sig "Smoke weed every day" as soon as i was done reading made cringe.
We make signature, then defense it.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 05:05:25
July 18 2010 04:59 GMT
#209
On July 18 2010 11:15 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 10:00 Ghostcom wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:09 Tyraz wrote:
On July 18 2010 08:55 Ghostcom wrote:
On July 18 2010 08:48 Batch wrote:
On July 18 2010 08:20 Ghostcom wrote:
Just a question, he commited armed robbery, probably mentally traumatized those he robbed, why should I feel any pity for him? imho he even got off too lightly... I'm fine with these sort of people ending in dead-end jobs - they aren't worth any better.

This is how traumatized you will be after having a gun aimed at you:
|>----<|

This is how traumatized you will be after being "forced" into drugs, getting raped, getting beaten, getting shielded from the outside world, seen interns cut each other open and ripping the guts out.
|>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<|


Yeah, he got off too lightly...


I happen to work on an open psychiatric ward and have actually met people for whom being robbed with a gun has happend. They have trouble leaving their homes, they can't keep up their job and they have to take medications just to get some sleep which is still a terrible sleep. And the worst part about it is that they couldn't in any way have avoided the situation. If you think he got off lightly you should visit a psychiatric hospital sometime...

He got off light...

It's this kind of reasoning that really gets me. This self perpetuating 'but they were worse..' kind of mentality.
+ Show Spoiler +
If you subscribe to that kind of thought, then why not throw all human rights out the window? It's thinking like that which responsible for all kinds of nasty shit: the patriot act and torture and humiliation in the prison system. Also responsible for 'democratic governments' slaughtering the villages of so called 'rebel tribes' in Africa.

Was it right that he pulled a gun on someone? No. Most definitely not.
Is it right to then put someone through something like that, with no intent on rehabilitation? No. Most definitely not.

To quote my mum: "Two wrongs don't make a right."

In any case, it was still an amazing story; and he should totally publish a book!


I think a big part of why we disagree (because, come on - I never said anything about throwing away all human rights) is that I believe if a punishment is hard enough, the crime won't be done whilst you (apperantly) believe in rehabilitating people, trying to prevent the crime from happening AGAIN. Whilst rehabilitation is on paper a good thing, it has a couple of downside, one being it's low succesrate (wheter it be the system as it seems you believe or due to the nature of people turning criminals in the first place is another discussion) another being that it doesn't stop the first crime.

That was my reason for saying he got off too lightly.

Wheter or not the US prison system is fine is somewhat out of my league to comment on - though one has to remember that most of what he described was done by OTHER inmates which can be pretty hard for the prisonguards to stop.

And anyone who would buy a book from such a guy should honestly be ashamed of themselves. If he got rich off writing such a book, he basicly got rewarded for his crime...

Gonna pretty much disagree with everything you say.

Prison systems do not have a good success rate, and rehabilitation has been accomplished to great effect, several times, not just "on paper". Reincarnation is ridiculously high with the current prison system, I suggest you read some topics on the issue, because this is fact, not opinion.

Hard for the prison-guards to stop? More like they are fucking lazy slobs and completely corrupt. Just think about the person you'd have to be and your path in life to become a prison guard. The others are pretty much too scared to do anything.

He's not "rewarded" for his crime if people read a theoretical book he published, he's rewarded for his ability to deal with intense emotional situations and for his writing capability.

As for "And anyone who would buy a book from such a guy should honestly be ashamed of themselves. " It's a comment, not even a real opinion as you didnt list any reasons why.
It would be like me going into a female activist thread and shiting all over it with a comment like, "Women's rights are a joke." , you don't even state your real opinion- just a hateful snide comment.

If you honestly want some information on the current prison system in the US, PM me.



this is complete bullshit.

My cousin is a prison guard in a maximum security prison. Not only is he an extremely nice guy he always tells me how he is always very respectful to the inmates because it makes everything run smoother.

And what the hell does "the person you would have to be and your path in life" have to do with anything? thats just ridiculous. way to create and spread unfounded stereotypes.

as for being too scared to do anything. hes a marine core veteran with 2 tours of combat duty. you figure it out.



Btw its re incarceration Not "Reincarnation"
Reincarnation is when you die and your soul comes back in another body
doerr
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden2 Posts
July 18 2010 05:06 GMT
#210
This man should write a book, right now.
sith
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2474 Posts
July 18 2010 05:39 GMT
#211
This was fucking insane, read the entire thing.
buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-18 06:06:10
July 18 2010 06:05 GMT
#212
On July 18 2010 11:15 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2010 10:00 Ghostcom wrote:
On July 18 2010 09:09 Tyraz wrote:
On July 18 2010 08:55 Ghostcom wrote:
On July 18 2010 08:48 Batch wrote:
On July 18 2010 08:20 Ghostcom wrote:
Just a question, he commited armed robbery, probably mentally traumatized those he robbed, why should I feel any pity for him? imho he even got off too lightly... I'm fine with these sort of people ending in dead-end jobs - they aren't worth any better.

This is how traumatized you will be after having a gun aimed at you:
|>----<|

This is how traumatized you will be after being "forced" into drugs, getting raped, getting beaten, getting shielded from the outside world, seen interns cut each other open and ripping the guts out.
|>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<|


Yeah, he got off too lightly...


I happen to work on an open psychiatric ward and have actually met people for whom being robbed with a gun has happend. They have trouble leaving their homes, they can't keep up their job and they have to take medications just to get some sleep which is still a terrible sleep. And the worst part about it is that they couldn't in any way have avoided the situation. If you think he got off lightly you should visit a psychiatric hospital sometime...

He got off light...

It's this kind of reasoning that really gets me. This self perpetuating 'but they were worse..' kind of mentality.
+ Show Spoiler +
If you subscribe to that kind of thought, then why not throw all human rights out the window? It's thinking like that which responsible for all kinds of nasty shit: the patriot act and torture and humiliation in the prison system. Also responsible for 'democratic governments' slaughtering the villages of so called 'rebel tribes' in Africa.

Was it right that he pulled a gun on someone? No. Most definitely not.
Is it right to then put someone through something like that, with no intent on rehabilitation? No. Most definitely not.

To quote my mum: "Two wrongs don't make a right."

In any case, it was still an amazing story; and he should totally publish a book!


I think a big part of why we disagree (because, come on - I never said anything about throwing away all human rights) is that I believe if a punishment is hard enough, the crime won't be done whilst you (apperantly) believe in rehabilitating people, trying to prevent the crime from happening AGAIN. Whilst rehabilitation is on paper a good thing, it has a couple of downside, one being it's low succesrate (wheter it be the system as it seems you believe or due to the nature of people turning criminals in the first place is another discussion) another being that it doesn't stop the first crime.

That was my reason for saying he got off too lightly.

Wheter or not the US prison system is fine is somewhat out of my league to comment on - though one has to remember that most of what he described was done by OTHER inmates which can be pretty hard for the prisonguards to stop.

And anyone who would buy a book from such a guy should honestly be ashamed of themselves. If he got rich off writing such a book, he basicly got rewarded for his crime...

Gonna pretty much disagree with everything you say.

Prison systems do not have a good success rate, and rehabilitation has been accomplished to great effect, several times, not just "on paper". Reincarnation is ridiculously high with the current prison system, I suggest you read some topics on the issue, because this is fact, not opinion.

Hard for the prison-guards to stop? More like they are fucking lazy slobs and completely corrupt. Just think about the person you'd have to be and your path in life to become a prison guard. The others are pretty much too scared to do anything.

He's not "rewarded" for his crime if people read a theoretical book he published, he's rewarded for his ability to deal with intense emotional situations and for his writing capability.

As for "And anyone who would buy a book from such a guy should honestly be ashamed of themselves. " It's a comment, not even a real opinion as you didnt list any reasons why.
It would be like me going into a female activist thread and shiting all over it with a comment like, "Women's rights are a joke." , you don't even state your real opinion- just a hateful snide comment.

If you honestly want some information on the current prison system in the US, PM me.


Ever heard of the Stanford prisoners experiment? If ordinary people can become tyrannical prison guards in less than a week, it should be no surprise what prison guards of real prisons can become.

Good job antagonizing the people with one of the shittiest jobs ever.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
July 18 2010 06:14 GMT
#213
On July 18 2010 10:39 NearlyDead wrote:

Maybe I am hardened, I don't know. I just don't understand how someone can royally fuck up their life and get anything from anyone else but 'yup, you're fucked'. This whole 'rage against the man' thing is dumb. The dude went to jail. Let him get his emotional catharsis from writing this blog, or whatever, just don't shower him with sympathy, or offer to help him find a job, are you fucking serious?

There are plenty of people who aren't fucking morons, and who didn't attempt to rob someone who work hard every day for shit, and don't get a whole forum full of anon's sucking their collective dicks because they cant afford a computer.

Tl;dr
Life sucks, its unfair, learn to play the game, because if you don't, you fucking lose. GG
I find it quite ironic that someone that has been to Iraq or any war can claim that people should be fucked for life for making a misstake. Yes, one very isolated incident when you are young and stupid is quite diffrent from raping and murdering over and over again. Don't even try to compare the two.
In a war people are allowed to do atrocious things and get forgiven for them as soon as they get home, shouldn't we just kick them out of society aswell? Every single soldier that held a gun that killed or hurt anyone that wasn't activly at the time trying to kill them, kicked out on the street. Sounds good yea?

The reason why the guy is getting sympathy is because he seems to genuinely upset of what he did, not just because he got sent to prison. I don't have much sympathy for him personally mostly because I find his views rather disturbing aswell as at least from my point of view armed robbery is a bit more than I think should just be instantly forgiven. However it should never ever be a "fucked for life" sentance. You're not being "hard" you're being ridiculous.

You ask were do you draw the line and then provide an over the top example, two people can play that game. a 6 year old gets into a fight? That's assault, should he be kicked out of society, right? Or drunk in public? let's fire them and make it impossible for them ever to get a job again. WOO.

If you go "If you make a misstake you're fucked" you don't end up with a working society, because I can bet my ass that you made quite a few misstakes during your lifetime. Not as serious ofcourse, but still misstakes.
Amnesia
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3818 Posts
July 18 2010 06:14 GMT
#214
the thread unfortunately got deleted but you can access it here:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vhnCJQ6_KFUJ:www.99chan.org/b/res/527368-100.html

i followed this on a forum i visit that showed me this post, it was crazy when i firrst read it
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
July 18 2010 06:50 GMT
#215
Why would they delete the thread? :/
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
chocoed
Profile Joined June 2007
United States398 Posts
July 18 2010 06:52 GMT
#216
Absolutely compelling read. The only ideas I had of prison were from movies and some letters I read from my girlfriends brother, who is serving 7 years in prison. After having read the OP, I've gained much insight of the horrors of prison, and how I should value my lifestyle and our 'freedom.' The littlest things we take for granted can be taken away in one fell swoop if we make terrible decisions. Again, great read. It really opened my eyes on the fundamentals of our everyday life.
My life for Aiur!
pinenamu
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States770 Posts
July 18 2010 07:05 GMT
#217
Great read, had no idea what prisons were like except the old "don't drop the soap". The death portion really made me cringe. Makes me want to just appreciate the life I have, didn't know everyday life would be so good to have.
All Quiet
Profile Joined July 2010
United States62 Posts
July 18 2010 07:31 GMT
#218
I will definately post this on another forum. This man's story is one that people should hear. I feel no sympathy nor pity for him- I do, however, recognize that he is remorseful, and that he certainly deserves a second chance.
The meek shall inherit the earth. The rest of us are going to the stars.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
July 18 2010 07:59 GMT
#219
I did 3 months in county once, but I was up on GTA...

...so I could have faced 3 years in prison. I had to worry about that coming. It didn't happen... but I didn't know it for 3 months. Terrifying.

All the little shit you take for granted. Being able to go outside. Feeling safe. Soft beds. Good food. Sunlight. Man... the jail I was in sucked. Gave me a WHOLE different perspective on hearing someone got 10 years for such and such.

I hate people now who just throw around the terms. 10 years. 20 years. They have no idea what its like.

And, the US has a higher per capita incarceration rate than any industrialized nation- by far. Talk about being #1.

And I feel what the OP is saying about African Americans vs White.
I hung with the brothas while i was in as much as I could. I basically made it clear. I'm with you guys. From the start. I think it made my stay much better.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
July 18 2010 08:01 GMT
#220
I'm only halfway through on reading, but this is really amazing. Will finish reading tomorrow.
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