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On July 09 2010 00:07 Badjas wrote:
Something is wrong with that list. Very few countries score above or at 100 IQ average. While IQ is a measure that should come to 100 as an average for the group being measured. I guess it still functions as a relative comparison but how did they get that wrong?
41% of the IQ averages were estimates, so that will account for some error.
Also not all countries have the same population. For instance China has 1.3 billion people with an average IQ of 105, which compensates for a lot of nations with an average IQ below 100.
And if you check out the full-text article you will find out that the way they obtained the data is a bit questionable.
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??i dont know much but i think singapore's the highest due to the fact that we are so small its nearly impossible to die to any diseases that arent terminal since theres like a clinic 5 minutes walk away or a hospital 20 mins drive away
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On July 09 2010 00:07 Badjas wrote:
Something is wrong with that list. Very few countries score above or at 100 IQ average. While IQ is a measure that should come to 100 as an average for the group being measured. I guess it still functions as a relative comparison but how did they get that wrong?
Could it be explained by probability? Does it have statistical significance? Is there a correlational coeffictent in this study? (havent read im at work)
edit: "As used in statistics, significant does not mean important or meaningful, as it does in everyday speech. For example, a study that included tens of thousands of participants might be able to say with great confidence that people of one state were more intelligent than people of another state by 1/20 of an IQ point. This result would be statistically significant, but the difference is small enough to be utterly unimportant. Many researchers urge that tests of significance should always be accompanied by effect-size statistics, which approximate the size and thus the practical importance of the difference." -wiki
edit#2: HT cleared it up.
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
For those confused about why the overwhelming majority of countries have below 100 average IQ, you people should read the thread before commenting. See my explanation of this fact above
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East Asians are just really good at IQ tests, probably because the stuff that is measured in IQ tests are prized in East Asian culture. Singapore has a huge Chinese population, so it could be technically East Asian when talking about its people.
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On July 09 2010 00:14 KarlSberg~ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 00:07 Badjas wrote:
Something is wrong with that list. Very few countries score above or at 100 IQ average. While IQ is a measure that should come to 100 as an average for the group being measured. I guess it still functions as a relative comparison but how did they get that wrong? I noticed that too. Sure China is above 100 and weighs a lot but still as a whole it seems to average much below 100 which doesn't make sense.
Actually it makes a lot of sense.
You got to understand that it is "average" IQ. That means it includes all generations of people. I am not saying a person with 100 IQ doesn't have 100ish IQ when they are 60 or 70 years old (because it factors in age when calculating IQ), I'm talking the fact a lot of previous generation were under educated, some even illiterate.
Illiteracy explains the higher IQ score by East Asian countries because no matter what generation the people in East Asia has small number of illiterates. There are minimum number of people to pull the average down. Plus Chinese, Japanese and Koreans know a lot of words from their vocabulary. I mean a lot.
Also I have to add. You might think 100 is too low. I thought about this too. However, you have to realise it's likely that you are surrounded by people with similar intellectuals.
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On July 08 2010 19:27 Araex wrote:
At the bottom of the list we find Equatorial Guinea. A country without any form of medical care and without any kind of schools.
It seems kinda obvious that there's a low IQ & high amount of disease burden.
If you compare countries with higher standards like South Korea (2,98 disease burden) and Switzerland (2.37 disease burden), Switzerland should have a higher "IQ", but actually it does not - not at all.
Equatorial Guinea is an interesting country. Small population and alot of oil. So "fixing" that nation would be fairly easy. Mark Thatcher tried a coup d'état there in 2004 but failed. Maybe not with an agenda to help the locals.
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konadora
Singapore66202 Posts
2. Singapore has the highest average intelligence in the world
lol no way
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Maybe disease causes priority to change from studying, to trying to fight off disease...
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Drawing any kind of conclusion from intelligence test studies like this one is bound to be faulty and erroneous...
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There's a link between education and health, which is what explains the entire link between intelligence and disease.
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On July 09 2010 00:59 konadora wrote:lol no way
I wonder if it includes the Singapore PRs when measuring intelligence.
Might make sense then 
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On July 09 2010 01:12 htennek_mil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2010 00:59 konadora wrote:2. Singapore has the highest average intelligence in the world lol no way I wonder if it includes the Singapore PRs when measuring intelligence. Might make sense then
It's highly likely that Singapore has (at the very least, one of) the highest average intelligence(s) in the world - there are little to no rural areas, and their GDP/capita is extremely high.
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This thread doesn't make any sense at all. Nor does what I've read so far.
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On July 08 2010 21:41 ooni wrote:
Like this scientist I'll make a hypothesis of my own.
This thread really should have ended here. Bravo sir!
How this kind of nonsense made it into a scientific journal, I don't know. When you use terms like 'IQ' and 'intelligence' you imply some inherent genetic difference (making the unspoken insinuation really racist). And yet, if you attribute this intelligence to education instead, the whole idea is one simple truism, hardly worth anyone's time to research and/or argue.
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this can also be explained by the size of the country itself. singapore has a small population with a strong economic support. this makes that standard life on singaporean much higher than its neighbors country such as malay indo vietnam
more over, singapore is still a young country, i remember 1 of the biggest reason for it to become a country is bc of its outstanding economic. take china for example, if you check out the schoolarship of biggest universities in the world, most of them are chinese students but the IQ overall is just average. This is because of the chinese economic is not strong enough to support the whole giant population which cause the life average much smaller. => diseases come from this.
conclusion: disease and IQ are both results of an economy and has notthing to do with each other.
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I wish people would stop confusing intelligence with the ability to find logical patterns and solving puzzles. There are so many forms of being intelligent that doesn't require your IQ to even the slightest above average.
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On July 09 2010 01:02 Saracen wrote:
Drawing any kind of conclusion from intelligence test studies like this one is bound to be faulty and erroneous...
Any kind of conclusion? Not really. There is something Charles Murray said on this matter that I think is interesting and instructive: if you give two kids an IQ test and one scores a 90 and the other scores 110, you cannot conclude anything about them with much certainty. But now if you give an IQ test to two classes of 20 pupils each, and one averages 90 while the other averages 110, this could tell you a great deal.
IQ is just a parameter in an abstract mathematical model designed to make certain kinds of predictions about human beings. It's not a "real biological property." But it can, and does make useful predictions--particularly about groups. The larger the group, the better the prediction. Using an IQ test in hiring was common in the US (before it was declared illegal by the courts) because it is the quickest and cheapest method to screen out incompetents. If it didn't work reasonably well, practical businessmen looking to maximize profit wouldn't use it.
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While aruging over the internet lowers your IQ actually....
This thread:
Arguing on the internet is like running the special olympics. Even if you win, you are still retaded.
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Canada IQ: 99
USA IQ: 98
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