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Luvz
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway356 Posts
July 08 2010 12:15 GMT
#21
i score high on iq tests, but when it comes to learning basic math and other stuff, im horrible. logic and memory and so on i score maxx on evry test. IQ is a load of bull. evry human has the possiblity to be smart, its just the mindset of people that has to change. its all about education and the population of that country. Education is the way to intelligence and evry single person can be as smart as einstein if they really want to.

and when i say i score high its 120-135 on each test, and this isnt LOLIQTESTSHOWNAOO.com its from my Mensa.dk test and Millitary test. both tests where taken once and there was no repeats to get a basic understanding of the logical questions.
Norway ~ Home of the brave <3
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 08 2010 12:21 GMT
#22
i'm the same way. i score barely under 140 on every test. not quite mensa level. I disagree with this as a whole. being in america > being in singapore simply based upon possibilities and the overall level of treatment and intelligence that can be attained. i am not saying that america is smarter than singapore, but that there are smarter people and better medical care AVAILABLE.
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cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
July 08 2010 12:23 GMT
#23
Nothing to see here. To compensate for one idiot with 20 IQ, you need 80 ppl with 101 IQ to get 100 'normal' average.
There isn't medical technology to produce geniuses. But medical technology can help prevent people from turning into idiots, which drag down IQs.
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Mentos
Profile Joined August 2003
United Kingdom203 Posts
July 08 2010 12:28 GMT
#24
cascades what a way to represent Singapore as the highest average IQ. Hate to break it to you, but you are that person dragging the stats down.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
July 08 2010 12:33 GMT
#25
Poor -> bad education -> lower IQ
Poor -> adverse living conditions -> more disease

Higher disease rates and higher IQ being inversely correlated doesn't strike me as surprising at all.
:)
BarneyEX
Profile Joined March 2009
Malaysia98 Posts
July 08 2010 12:35 GMT
#26
Darn, Malaysians sure are not very smart, now lets proceed make a IQ vs Religion data table
ooni
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1498 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-08 12:46:10
July 08 2010 12:41 GMT
#27
Na you guys, this statistic is great. Clear link between IQ and disease. A lot of thought put into that hypothesis.

Like this scientist I'll make a hypothesis of my own.
My hypothesis is that most of babies born in South Korea via teenage pregnancy are off spring of nerds a.k.a Starcraft players. This is caused by immense popularity of video game tournaments such as MSL and OSL where incredibly intelligent individuals face head-to-head in a game called 'Starcraft' which can only be described as Chess on steroids. In these tournaments there are girls screaming to get laid by Starcraft players, this has lead to unwanted babies (of the nerd kind). There are documents suggesting some of these babies can reach up to 800 APM [citation needed].

On the other hand most of babies born in USA via teenage pregnancy are off spring of non-nerds a.k.a. 'jocks'. This is caused by massive popularity of 'jocks' (a.k.a. a group of people originated from James Dean movies) in the American society during the mid/late 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's and the year 2010. Of course these babies are dumb as a doorknob [citation not needed].

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^Pretty Graph showing the IQ difference between different races

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^Accurate Table showing an astounding stastic proving professional USA SC players get laid much less than Professional Korean SC players.

This explains why Korea has higher IQ compared to USA.


Now pending after submission of this article to http://www.economist.com
Hi!
Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
July 08 2010 12:42 GMT
#28
On July 08 2010 21:23 cascades wrote:
Nothing to see here. To compensate for one idiot with 20 IQ, you need 80 ppl with 101 IQ to get 100 'normal' average.
There isn't medical technology to produce geniuses. But medical technology can help prevent people from turning into idiots, which drag down IQs.

Your average dog is smarter than a person with 20 IQ, I don't think that people understand how the IQ scale works.
yutgoyun
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada46 Posts
July 08 2010 12:44 GMT
#29
On July 08 2010 20:23 ggrrg wrote:
Crazy "scientist" makes a bold hypothesis. Crazy "scientist" makes some statistics that he throws in and interprets them the way he needs to. Crazy "scientist" says he has proven his idea. This has happened numerous times in world's history and I doubt that those guys here will be the last ones.

They say they have eliminated other possibilities as factors, e.g. education. Really!? How do you do that? How could you possibly claim that you have eliminated education as a reason to score better on IQ tests? Honestly, if you have never learned to read you will obviously not be able to even answer many questions. If you have encountered logical/mathematical problems at school you will obviously score better on the logic part. With a vast general knowledge (which by the way you do not acquire working on a field all day long) you will be able to do better on the IQ test.

Hasn't it dawned on those "scientists" that the better developed a country is the better its education system and healt care are?

Its totally plausible to say that illness causes decline of intelligence; of course if you are sick you will perform worse mentally; of course there are diseases that attack your brain and impair you even after you have survived the illnes. However, stating that they have eliminated all other factors from their studies and presenting the "illness burden" as the main (only) reason for the IQ disparity is probably just as bold as wrong.


Don't doubt science like that. Modeling (regression) is used to account for the effects of other factors. Your point still stand, however. It's impossible to get perfect models, especially in these social models, and particularly since education, economics, and health are all highly correlated. But there are various mathematical and statistical techniques do separate out effects that are unique and independent. As everybody's said, correlation doesn't imply causation, but that doesn't mean it's not important or useful. There's a lot of applied science that manipulates correlation without really understanding cause and effect (in fact, I might even argue most of science does this).
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9950 Posts
July 08 2010 13:07 GMT
#30
My signature.
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
RifleCow
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada637 Posts
July 08 2010 13:14 GMT
#31
http://www.economist.com/node/16479286

"They note that the brains of newly born children require 87% of those children’s metabolic energy. In five-year-olds the figure is still 44% and even in adults the brain—a mere 2% of the body’s weight—consumes about a quarter of the body’s energy. Any competition for this energy is likely to damage the brain’s development, and parasites and pathogens compete for it in several ways."

Makes sense. Please read the above link. Both of the op's links come from this article which breaksdown their statements into more sensible arguements.
hohoho
McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
July 08 2010 13:34 GMT
#32
On July 08 2010 22:07 RaGe wrote:
My signature.


Looks like someone didn't read beyond the title.
High five :---)
HnR)hT
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3468 Posts
July 08 2010 13:39 GMT
#33
On July 08 2010 22:14 RifleCow wrote:
http://www.economist.com/node/16479286

"They note that the brains of newly born children require 87% of those children’s metabolic energy. In five-year-olds the figure is still 44% and even in adults the brain—a mere 2% of the body’s weight—consumes about a quarter of the body’s energy. Any competition for this energy is likely to damage the brain’s development, and parasites and pathogens compete for it in several ways."

Makes sense. Please read the above link. Both of the op's links come from this article which breaksdown their statements into more sensible arguements.

Does that mean that fat people are dumb?
k!llua
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia895 Posts
July 08 2010 13:47 GMT
#34
reveals what some have always suspected - New Zealand has a higher average intelligence than Australia (99 vs 98)


Australia's IQ would be higher if all the Kiwis didn't keep coming onto the mainland for a job.

*runs*
my hair is a wookie, your argument is invalid
htennek_mil
Profile Joined January 2009
Singapore59 Posts
July 08 2010 14:35 GMT
#35
Man if the PAPpies get a hold of this, it'll be all over the 154th media giving credit to LKY.
Thats_The_Spirit
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Netherlands138 Posts
July 08 2010 14:47 GMT
#36
It's always interesting to see large scale research results like this.

I wondered how they obtained the data on average IQ so I looked into the full text article. I found their methods highly questionable.
They used data from a controversial book "IQ and Global Inequality" written in 2006. The book wasn't even published by an academic publisher. In this book the IQ was measured directly in 113 nations, and estimated for 79 more nations by averaging the IQs of nearby nations with a known IQ.
The article stated that these numbers were validated several times, but everytime it was validated by the author of the book..

JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
July 08 2010 14:52 GMT
#37
On July 08 2010 19:08 The Storyteller wrote:
South Korea scores 107, which is probably why they're leading the world in Starcraft.

Yep its probably that, and doesn't have much to do with the SC leagues being held there
If you have to ask, you don't know.
KarlSberg~
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
731 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-08 15:12:46
July 08 2010 14:57 GMT
#38
On July 08 2010 22:39 HnR)hT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2010 22:14 RifleCow wrote:
http://www.economist.com/node/16479286

"They note that the brains of newly born children require 87% of those children’s metabolic energy. In five-year-olds the figure is still 44% and even in adults the brain—a mere 2% of the body’s weight—consumes about a quarter of the body’s energy. Any competition for this energy is likely to damage the brain’s development, and parasites and pathogens compete for it in several ways."

Does that mean that fat people are dumb?

On average in rich countries poor people are both fatter and less educated, so you could compile a study showing it.
Then suggest there could be a causation, like that stupid article from OP does.

EDIT
After reading the whole article I must add this.
It seems indeed logical that some disease can cause brain damage explaining that, but seriously... that has to be totally negligible compared to education.
There are 01 kind of people who know binary. Those who understand little endian and those who don t.
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
July 08 2010 15:07 GMT
#39
Something is wrong with that list. Very few countries score above or at 100 IQ average. While IQ is a measure that should come to 100 as an average for the group being measured. I guess it still functions as a relative comparison but how did they get that wrong?
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KarlSberg~
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
731 Posts
July 08 2010 15:14 GMT
#40
On July 09 2010 00:07 Badjas wrote:
Something is wrong with that list. Very few countries score above or at 100 IQ average. While IQ is a measure that should come to 100 as an average for the group being measured. I guess it still functions as a relative comparison but how did they get that wrong?

I noticed that too. Sure China is above 100 and weighs a lot but still as a whole it seems to average much below 100 which doesn't make sense.
There are 01 kind of people who know binary. Those who understand little endian and those who don t.
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