Intelligence and disease and smart Singaporeans - Page 11

On July 12 2010 00:33 bleh wrote:
again there's a reason you're the only one arguing the point you're arguing, it's because you're stupid, not because everyone else is.

Sorry. You're dumb, you shouldn't say words anymore, it's embarrassing.

On July 12 2010 00:07 HnR)hT wrote:

What gives you the right so presumptuously to dismiss my assertion that Muslims are subject to murderous incitement? Why don't you go to memri.org or palwatch.org and actually see how the Muslim media talks about Israel and Jews? Or read what ex-Muslims who escaped that world, such as Nonie Darwish, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Mossab Yousef say? But all my sources must be "far right propaganda," so what's the point?

On July 12 2010 00:47 NEWater wrote:


To be honest, anyone who's capable of fervently believing that there's an invisible all-powerful dude in the sky who loves them and has a plan for them are equally capable of being subject to murderous incitement.

Universal conscription in a multiracial and multicultural environment like Singapore gave me the opportunity to live and hang with Malay Muslims for 2 years and gain valuable insights into Islam and general Muslim culture. In fact, a student of our national history will discover that even though our citizen army of universal conscripts was initially formed to fight our greatest conventional threats in Muslim Malaysia and Indonesia who face us from our north and south respectively, the Muslims in our country are more likely to fight on our side because we at least had the human decency to treat them and respect them like actual human beings, and our equals. Hell, the Malaysians and Indonesians love to visit our country and love it more when we spend our tourist money in their countries. Even though we aren't perfect and the Malays aren't visible in so-called critical vocations and formations like the Air Force, Armor, Signals, Commandos, etc, they're still people I can trust to watch my back should (god forbid) I have to be thrown into combat with the rest of us.

It's easy for you to stay in America, never come into personal contact with Muslims and screech at them should they want to exercise their freedom of consciousness and worship in your country by seeking to build mosques and slap the easy label of terrorists on them. Please stop watching your Fox News and stop thinking that all Muslim media depicted in memri.org and palwatch.org is the entirety of Muslim media, for those two websites are just a mere subset of the entirety of Muslim media. I had to do a bit of intel work during my time in Signals, too, and I'm not unfamiliar with the Muslim media, for I could claim that all Christian media is full of racism and blind white power and nationalism if I chose to just read whatever that came out of your militias.

On July 12 2010 01:38 vnlegend wrote:
Singapore is more of a city-state than a country. You can't compare a 5million pop city to a country with 100mil people with rural areas and etc. All those little countries with little pop and mostly urban areas will have good stats, because those stats come from a highly selected population. One can easily say the Harvard campus-state is much smarter than Singapore.

On July 12 2010 01:26 HnR)hT wrote:

Finally, a halfway thoughtful post.

First, anyone can be subject to incitement, even atheists (as in Communist and Nazi regimes). But is it too much of a stretch to consider that Muslims may behave differently toward non-Muslims where they are in the majority, as opposed to where they are relatively weak? And the persecution of non-Muslims in Muslim-majority countries (e.g., the Copts in Egypt, black Christians in Sudan, Hindus and Christians in Pakistan, Christians in Nigeria, and so forth) bears this out. And you can't really understand the "Israeli-Palestinian conflict" (which is a somewhat misleading appellation) without studying the intentions and motivations of both sides. Usually Israel is under the microscope of the world media, while what Arabs say and do, and believe, is glossed over or covered up. Case in point: a few days an Israeli newspaper circulated a rumor that Mahmoud Abbas, the chairman of Fatah who rules in the West Bank, would let Israel keep a historically Jewish neighborhod of east Jerusalem. This claim was repeated in much of the major media here in the US even though it was categorically denied by Saeb Erekat, Abbas's second. And this is one of the most benign examples. Recently at a pan-Arab meeting Abbas reiterated that he would be personally for another pan-Arab attack on Israel were the leaders of the Arab countries up for it. One would think that this a really important piece of information if one wants to form an opinion about the peace process, but it was not mentioned (AFAIK) in any of the cable news programs.

MEMRI translates various items from Arabic and Farsi mass media into English (and much of it is far from horrible). Palwatch does the same for the "Palestinian territories." From these, there is ample, ample evidence that there is nothing Israel can do short of committing suicide to be on the good side of the Muslim world. It is mainstream to talk about Israel as a cancer, as Jews as subhuman. Even in Egypt, which is formally at peace with Israel. When this kind of incitement dominates any public discourse on the matter of Israel, is it surprising that the majority of Arabs not only want to see Israel destroyed and won't be appeased by any concessions, but this hatred toward Israel is their single most intense emotion? And the same incitement goes on in mosques all over the Middle East and in Europe and the the US. Saudi Arabia spends tens of billions on mosques that practice this sort of agitation, and a former Pakistani diplomat who has visited the US as examined the mosques here was horrified that the radicalization is so far advanced.

Are there Christian and Jewish racists and nutjobs? Of course. But Muslim incitement reaches hundreds of millions and is one of the most important yet ignored aspects of geopolitical reality today. And the overwhelming majority of terrorism (the intentional murder of civilians to achieve a political purpose) is carried out by Muslims explicitly in the name of Islam. All battles Israel fights and has ever fought have been in the context of the Arab Muslim war to eliminate Israel. Saudi Arabia has spent tens of billions of petrodollars on anti-Israel propaganda. Just because the Arabs stopped ganging up on Israel in war after war, in ridiculous ratios of men and equipment, doesn't mean that they grew more "moderate." This is why, to say that you do not want to see Israel always victorious, is abhorrent.

By the way, why do you assume I am religious? I have never been a member of any religion. And why do you assume I watch Fox News? I don't even own a tv. To dismiss every idea you do not share as a product of propaganda is itself often the mark of a person who has been worked by propaganda.

On July 12 2010 01:38 vnlegend wrote:
Singapore is more of a city-state than a country. You can't compare a 5million pop city to a country with 100mil people with rural areas and etc. All those little countries with little pop and mostly urban areas will have good stats, because those stats come from a highly selected population. One can easily say the Harvard campus-state is much smarter than Singapore.

On July 12 2010 00:47 NEWater wrote:
Universal conscription in a multiracial and multicultural environment like Singapore gave me the opportunity to live and hang with Malay Muslims for 2 years and gain valuable insights into Islam and general Muslim culture.

On July 12 2010 04:54 StorkHwaiting wrote:


Um, how does China with its 1 billion+ population have an IQ average of 105 then? It's coz Chinese are great!! Hail to the Chinese!! Hail vic-toe-reeeee!

On July 11 2010 20:57 NEWater wrote:


Sad to say, I've already met my fair share of people at where I work, and my opinion is still the same. The working-class chap from Birmingham might still have a thing or two to say about the Tories, about Thatcher and remark how odd it is that Cameron/Clegg isn't being a huge dick. A mentally-ill dependent I know also expressed this same surprise with me as she put it in her own words:

Our shiny new government has gone round to the local councils and said "Oi! If we pay the mentally ill extra money to cope with life, that does NOT mean you can immediately deduct it from what you give them to pay rent!"

Try talking politics with your average drone in Singapore, and you'd earn a wild-eyed glare of ignorance and fear of discussing such a thing, Maybe an apathetic shrug, or to make things worse, a bleating desperation to change the topic to something vapid like Korean non-culture.

Or indeed, I could try talking politics, or matters of ethics and philosophy with someone educated in a local university, and I'd receive dry-cut General Paper answers and replies.

On July 12 2010 20:49 Klockan3 wrote:

In most countries most Muslims are well adapted, even in the USA. Also just like Christianity Islam got a lot of incitement to violence in its holy book, the only difference is that the Christian countries are secularized enough to not wage religious wars while parts of the Muslim world are not. So of course the well adapted secularized Muslims are not at all aggressive, just like everyone else.

What is dangerous is fundamentalism in non peaceful religions, which today you mostly got just Muslims left with those criteria. Christian and Jew countries are too secularized to have religious fits, Hinduism and Buddhism are not violent so there is just Islam left even though most Muslims aren't militant at all.

If you know your European history you would know that there have been a huge amount of religiously incited wars before secularization began spreading. What people are hoping is that if the Muslims stopped caring so much about their religion there could at last be peace in the middle east, just like what happened in Europe.

Because they just took a couple of hundred kids in each country except for Japan and USA.