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sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-11 20:22:39
April 11 2018 20:20 GMT
#19061
Have you ever worked for a company which got bought? How do you note that fact on a CV assuming the new name is different? Do you list the 2 companies? If I do that, I think it'll look bad on mine because I've been working for 2 months only. It might look to some people that I failed probationary period or something.

Or do you just do the following?

Company B
- Experience

Company A (now called Company B)
- Experience
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 11 2018 20:36 GMT
#19062
I would just use the new brand, because that's what they're legally now called. Most companies won't really check if they renamed or not.
Life?
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
April 11 2018 22:40 GMT
#19063
Don't even bother mentioning the old company name. Neither name will likely mean anything to the person reading your resume anyway (unless it was bought out by a big name company), and it just simplifies things down. And, unless you were a big part in getting the company bought out (in which case sell that), that changeover doesn't really mean anything for your personal employment or work experience.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
April 11 2018 22:55 GMT
#19064
I finished reading Haskell programming from first principles, anyone remotely interested in functional programming should consider it. A genuinely great book.
berated-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1134 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 00:10:32
April 12 2018 00:08 GMT
#19065
On April 11 2018 12:55 WarSame wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something with Docker. What is the ideal development to production pipeline supposed to look like? What is Docker's place in there?

Do you need 1 docker-compose per environment? How do you handle environment changes between containers?

When I am developing(say a Flask app) I have a mounted volume to auto update my code. When I am done developing I commit to my own branch("flask-101013033", maybe). QA comes in and verifies that this branch works correctly by pulling the branch, building an image from the branch and making a container from the image.

We then move it into integration testing. I merge my code into the integration branch. We then build another image/container for this branch which QA tests for integration.

Finally, we move this image into production.

Is that a reasonable approach? How do Kubernetes and Docker Swarm come into play?


Ideal is a bit weird, as deployment is so culture related that it's hard to say... Our company is using it as this..

I don't use docker in my development environment except to run databases. It's too much of a pain to try to get in and out of the container or mapping mounts for my liking. However, running the database in a docker container so it can be local is fantastic (especially considering they have a sql server on linux image). If you had a large toolchain that is needed for a dev environment I can see how it's attractive to want to use docker for dev though.

One of the strongest selling points of docker is that it gives you the ability to move the exact container between different environments. The container you built in your ci loop, is the container that goes to dev, qa, prod. Not that your setup doesn't work with rebuilding the container, but, trying to extract your configuration out of the build and then pushing the container through the deployment phases just means you're probably more likely to make sure that what you tested in the environment was correct. This is used pretty often with CI/CD. If you're using deploy branches and actually rebuilding you may not get as much advantage at of this.

We also use docker as a part of our gitlab ci loop. When the gitlab pipeline kicks off it spins up a docker builder that has our tools on it to build our applications. It can link in databases, or even selenium servers to run your automated tests against, or any external service that you might have depended on a vm or dedicated server for.

Kubernetes and swarm come in for orchestration -- if you are using microservices and need to get each of the different containers communicating with each other, these tools make it a lot easier to pop up a set of microservices that comprise a full application. Our main website could end up using anywhere from 6-10 services that make up the one app. Trying to "deploy" the entire thing manually is a lot of effort where as those tools make the whole thing a lot easier. Kubernetes can also do a ton of stuff with controlled rollouts and versioning and ingress controllers and a whole bunch of stuff that I don't even fully understand...

Docker is really cool, but, the entire community is still pretty young and things are changing very rapidly. It's definitely buzzwordish but unless you are deploying quite a few application instances it's a lot of overhead for not a ton of gain... except for running your databases in dev on your machine, that's a life saver.

Neshapotamus
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States163 Posts
April 12 2018 03:58 GMT
#19066
On April 12 2018 07:55 bo1b wrote:
I finished reading Haskell programming from first principles, anyone remotely interested in functional programming should consider it. A genuinely great book.


This man gets it! I am also reading this book, but only at chapter 18.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17743 Posts
April 12 2018 07:52 GMT
#19067
On April 12 2018 03:31 Bog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2018 16:53 Manit0u wrote:
Postgres question:

I have a very simple query

UPDATE "table_name" SET "last_seen_at" = now(), "updated_at" = now() WHERE "table_name"."id" = "uuid";


For some reason it takes 16-28 seconds to execute.

Do you know any potential reasons for that?

I've checked most common culprits:
1. Table is not large (10 records)
2. Vacuum and analyze are no older than 2 days

Any ideas? Could the problem be the number of concurrent db connections (over 100)?


Some ideas;

- Check is other transactions aquire locks on your data. Lock monitoring.

- Check for any triggers that might be hit on this transaction.
SELECT * FROM information_schema.triggers


- Check the explain plan for anomalities.
EXPLAIN ANALYZE UPDATE "table_name" SET "last_seen_at" = now(), "updated_at" = now() WHERE "table_name"."id" = "uuid";
(make sure equality predicate is correctly applied on the primary key. Equality predicates with different types, e.g. x::uuid = y::varchar can sometimes cause unexpected behaviour)

- Check your isolation level
SELECT current_setting('transaction_isolation');
. Concurrent access to data could be severely hindered when your isolation level is unnecessarily high (e.g. 'serializable'). Consider setting the level to 'read committed' if your business logic allows.

- When using JDBC, check if your transaction is committed at the earliest moment your business logic allows. Extra care should be taken when defaultAutoCommit=false for your JDBC connection or connection-pool property, then always close the transaction/connection explicitly in your code.


Transaction isolation is set to 'read commited'. I think the problem might be caused by exceptionally high server load at certain times (we can have up to 500 active db connections) since query planner looks good, there are no locks or triggers on that either. Will dig deeper, created a script that dumps system stats when such a thing occurs.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 17:31:38
April 12 2018 17:29 GMT
#19068
While it's useful I learnt more about Git these last few days, I feel like my mind was "raped". Going from merge-commits, cherry-pick & logs to (interactive) rebase, squash, using stashes and fixing existing commits is quite a jump. I'm not a dumbass, but if a guy with CS degree has a difficulty, then obviously this tool isn't designed to be easy to use. It's powerful, I admit that.

The sad thing is I'm sure there's a lot more to Git than I currently know.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
April 12 2018 17:35 GMT
#19069
On April 13 2018 02:29 sc-darkness wrote:
While it's useful I learnt more about Git these last few days, I feel like my mind was "raped". Going from merge-commits, cherry-pick & logs to (interactive) rebase, squash, using stashes and fixing existing commits is quite a jump. I'm not a dumbass, but if a guy with CS degree has a difficulty, then obviously this tool isn't designed to be easy to use. It's powerful, I admit that.

The sad thing is I'm sure there's a lot more to Git than I currently know.

Honestly git falls into a category with a few other tools that I honestly wish were covered to some degree at university, proper terminal usage comes to mind as an example.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8257 Posts
April 12 2018 18:20 GMT
#19070
On April 13 2018 02:35 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 02:29 sc-darkness wrote:
While it's useful I learnt more about Git these last few days, I feel like my mind was "raped". Going from merge-commits, cherry-pick & logs to (interactive) rebase, squash, using stashes and fixing existing commits is quite a jump. I'm not a dumbass, but if a guy with CS degree has a difficulty, then obviously this tool isn't designed to be easy to use. It's powerful, I admit that.

The sad thing is I'm sure there's a lot more to Git than I currently know.

Honestly git falls into a category with a few other tools that I honestly wish were covered to some degree at university, proper terminal usage comes to mind as an example.


It wasn't directly covered in my degree, but we were told to use git for most of our projects. One of the courses I took in Australia also covered git in detail, even if it really had nothing to do with the subject itself. I think it's just some of the teachers realizing students need this and just hammered it where they could.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
April 12 2018 18:44 GMT
#19071
On April 13 2018 02:35 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 02:29 sc-darkness wrote:
While it's useful I learnt more about Git these last few days, I feel like my mind was "raped". Going from merge-commits, cherry-pick & logs to (interactive) rebase, squash, using stashes and fixing existing commits is quite a jump. I'm not a dumbass, but if a guy with CS degree has a difficulty, then obviously this tool isn't designed to be easy to use. It's powerful, I admit that.

The sad thing is I'm sure there's a lot more to Git than I currently know.

Honestly git falls into a category with a few other tools that I honestly wish were covered to some degree at university, proper terminal usage comes to mind as an example.


The problem with covering tools is that you can't teach them all. Are you working in a windows or linux shop? Are you using git, SVN, clearcase, some other version control? I understand the sentiment, but it isn't practical to learn everything.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8257 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 19:03:53
April 12 2018 19:02 GMT
#19072
On April 13 2018 03:44 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 02:35 bo1b wrote:
On April 13 2018 02:29 sc-darkness wrote:
While it's useful I learnt more about Git these last few days, I feel like my mind was "raped". Going from merge-commits, cherry-pick & logs to (interactive) rebase, squash, using stashes and fixing existing commits is quite a jump. I'm not a dumbass, but if a guy with CS degree has a difficulty, then obviously this tool isn't designed to be easy to use. It's powerful, I admit that.

The sad thing is I'm sure there's a lot more to Git than I currently know.

Honestly git falls into a category with a few other tools that I honestly wish were covered to some degree at university, proper terminal usage comes to mind as an example.


The problem with covering tools is that you can't teach them all. Are you working in a windows or linux shop? Are you using git, SVN, clearcase, some other version control? I understand the sentiment, but it isn't practical to learn everything.


Sure, sure. But you should learn a version control tool to have some foundation to later learn other's from. And since git is the mother of them all, that's the one you should be learning (Just like, in my not super humble opinion, you should be learning C++, or at worst Java, when learning to program (And not a scripting language like Python or JS..or Matlab), so you'll have a good foundation to learn other's from. I think most CS courses probably do this, but a lot of the other engineering courses like cybernetics or electrical is not equally good here. I have met fully educated electrical engineers who has never touched C... good luck there buddy. You're going to have a fun time with micro chips)
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17743 Posts
April 12 2018 19:08 GMT
#19073
On April 13 2018 02:35 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 02:29 sc-darkness wrote:
While it's useful I learnt more about Git these last few days, I feel like my mind was "raped". Going from merge-commits, cherry-pick & logs to (interactive) rebase, squash, using stashes and fixing existing commits is quite a jump. I'm not a dumbass, but if a guy with CS degree has a difficulty, then obviously this tool isn't designed to be easy to use. It's powerful, I admit that.

The sad thing is I'm sure there's a lot more to Git than I currently know.

Honestly git falls into a category with a few other tools that I honestly wish were covered to some degree at university, proper terminal usage comes to mind as an example.



You mean, doing stuff like that?


echo "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM items WHERE items.value > 10;" | psql -U postgres | sed -n 3p | awk "Number of valuable items: { print $1 }"


Console is amazing. Everyone should learn to use it and love it
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 19:26:23
April 12 2018 19:21 GMT
#19074
Yeh, I found an interesting tutorial on it a while back when I had to convert a few hundred songs to .ogg, and then rename them to .mp3. Really interesting stuff.

On April 13 2018 04:02 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 03:44 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On April 13 2018 02:35 bo1b wrote:
On April 13 2018 02:29 sc-darkness wrote:
While it's useful I learnt more about Git these last few days, I feel like my mind was "raped". Going from merge-commits, cherry-pick & logs to (interactive) rebase, squash, using stashes and fixing existing commits is quite a jump. I'm not a dumbass, but if a guy with CS degree has a difficulty, then obviously this tool isn't designed to be easy to use. It's powerful, I admit that.

The sad thing is I'm sure there's a lot more to Git than I currently know.

Honestly git falls into a category with a few other tools that I honestly wish were covered to some degree at university, proper terminal usage comes to mind as an example.


The problem with covering tools is that you can't teach them all. Are you working in a windows or linux shop? Are you using git, SVN, clearcase, some other version control? I understand the sentiment, but it isn't practical to learn everything.


Sure, sure. But you should learn a version control tool to have some foundation to later learn other's from. And since git is the mother of them all, that's the one you should be learning (Just like, in my not super humble opinion, you should be learning C++, or at worst Java, when learning to program (And not a scripting language like Python or JS..or Matlab), so you'll have a good foundation to learn other's from. I think most CS courses probably do this, but a lot of the other engineering courses like cybernetics or electrical is not equally good here. I have met fully educated electrical engineers who has never touched C... good luck there buddy. You're going to have a fun time with micro chips)


Having just taught myself a good amount of functional programming I wish I started with haskell, then went to c then to c++ and then nothing but theory. I feel like when you understand functional programming you understand programming a lot better, at least I did. Past learning c++ to a competent level you honestly shouldn't need any hand holding at all to learn another language. And I believe that theory side of things, and the math side of things should be heavily expanded upon.

On April 13 2018 03:44 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2018 02:35 bo1b wrote:
On April 13 2018 02:29 sc-darkness wrote:
While it's useful I learnt more about Git these last few days, I feel like my mind was "raped". Going from merge-commits, cherry-pick & logs to (interactive) rebase, squash, using stashes and fixing existing commits is quite a jump. I'm not a dumbass, but if a guy with CS degree has a difficulty, then obviously this tool isn't designed to be easy to use. It's powerful, I admit that.

The sad thing is I'm sure there's a lot more to Git than I currently know.

Honestly git falls into a category with a few other tools that I honestly wish were covered to some degree at university, proper terminal usage comes to mind as an example.


The problem with covering tools is that you can't teach them all. Are you working in a windows or linux shop? Are you using git, SVN, clearcase, some other version control? I understand the sentiment, but it isn't practical to learn everything.


It's not practical to learn everything but every single graduate with a degree in computer science should have done some work into operating systems, at which point the two main varieties are microkernel and monolithic, and the two main examples of those are unix and windows. There is a cross over between computer science and a trade, so it only makes sense to learn some level of practical application for those two things, powershell and terminal don't take infinite time to learn, and git mercurial and svn don't either.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
April 12 2018 21:08 GMT
#19075
I had to use git for one class, but honestly I don't get it. It just seems like yet one more thing with a ton of annoying shit to learn. Why is it so important to learn all that stuff exactly? Why do I need to know anything beyond "git push" ?
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
April 12 2018 21:23 GMT
#19076
In almost every scenario you can think of past university coding is done in groups, be it research, game dev, working for google etc. Git push isn't going to cut it in a team above size 1.
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-12 21:33:43
April 12 2018 21:28 GMT
#19077
On April 13 2018 06:08 travis wrote:
I had to use git for one class, but honestly I don't get it. It just seems like yet one more thing with a ton of annoying shit to learn. Why is it so important to learn all that stuff exactly? Why do I need to know anything beyond "git push" ?


Because having the following commit messages is annoying (I did it in the past too):

Commit 1: Fixed bug with localisation.
Commit 2: Ok, fixed bug with localisation this time.
Commit 3: Ok, finally fixed the bug!!!

Instead, you could squash them and end up with:

Commit 1: Fixed bug with localisation.

Simple and short. You're also able to edit commit messages if you think they weren't initially useful.

Another useful feature is if you do auto formatting (e.g. IDE does it) in several commits, you could move it all into one commit, then the other commits could be cleaner (no auto formatting). It's much easier for reviewers of your code to focus on actual changes.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
April 12 2018 21:29 GMT
#19078
Also being able to browse through past revisions of things is super useful.

And anyone who uses emacs knows about magit, which is possibly the best version control utility the world has ever seen.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19213 Posts
April 12 2018 21:35 GMT
#19079
Because real world applications aren't ever that clean
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
April 12 2018 22:18 GMT
#19080
On April 13 2018 06:08 travis wrote:
I had to use git for one class, but honestly I don't get it. It just seems like yet one more thing with a ton of annoying shit to learn. Why is it so important to learn all that stuff exactly? Why do I need to know anything beyond "git push" ?

Seems like the standard just-out-of-Uni attitude.

1) I'm smart, I'll just make things that work.
2) This looks terrible. Oh well, I can just change this.
3) Hmm, why didn't that do anything. Oh, I see, I need to change these too.
4) Oh fuck what did I just do panic panic boss is going to find out soon.
5) Why isn't there a repo?!
Average means I'm better than half of you.
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